"One to be born from a dragon..." -- Let's Play Final Fantasy II

Sky Render · #**2821** 09-27-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Heffenfeffer

Something I wanted to bring up is that the boss fights were changed up in the DS version. First up, you fought the Fiends in the same order you had before (Milon, Cagnazzo, Valvalis, Rubicante), which I guess makes sense since the original game is now decades old.

Secondly, the CPU battle has been altered ever so slightly. The Defense node still heals the CPU for a fairly paltry amount, but the Attack node's new laser attack will one-or-two-shot your entire party. This makes the battle weird since the only tension comes from trying to knock out Attack before it kills half your party - if you do that, then the CPU cannot hurt you for the rest of the battle. This also means that following FuSoYa's unchanged advice about going for the Defense node first will get you deaded. I think this was done to reinforce the stereotype that old fogeys just don't get this gol'durned com-pooter nonsense.

I believe it's more a case of the general philosophy of FF4DS biting it in the ass. Said philosophy is "make sure that whatever worked in the original release will make things the most difficult for the player".

Vega · #**2822** 09-28-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brickroad

I like Edward's scene, too. "Cecil! Look at me! I'm finally out bed, and I'm totally brave now! Watching your adventures from underneath the covers in the land of scantily-clad women and crystal-clear water has given me the courage to ogle this dancer's ass while standing on the deck of an airship safely outside the effective range of the enemy's blast radius!"

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Originally Posted by Torzelbaum

For some reason that makes me think of Edward dressed up like a pimp (called Doctor Damcyan).

So, if Bungie changes the subject of this game to Pimps at Sky, they've made a FF2 HD Remake?

CokoBean · #**2823** 09-29-2012, 09:44 AM

You should see how many times they restarted RE4. (well worth it.)

Nodal · #**2824** 09-29-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sky Render

I believe it's more a case of the general philosophy of FF4DS biting it in the ass. Said philosophy is "make sure that whatever worked in the original release will make things the most difficult for the player".

That is actually a pretty hilarious philosophy.

Shinkirou · #**2825** 09-30-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin

That is actually a pretty hilarious philosophy.

Hmm... I usually just do my own thing and make it through every game I play with out TOO much of a hassle (Or grinding for that matter). I have not played the DS version of IV though.

Mogri · #**2826** 10-01-2012, 10:05 AM

FF4DS doesn't require grinding, but that philosophy is pretty much true after about Octomammon. There's really no other good explanation for Cagnazzo absorbing lightning.

Nodal · #**2827** 10-01-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mogri

FF4DS doesn't require grinding, but that philosophy is pretty much true after about Octomammon. There's really no other good explanation for Cagnazzo absorbing lightning.

"Final Fantasy 4 Advance is too easy? Well fuck you then!"

Eddie · #**2828** 10-01-2012, 11:45 AM

Phew! finally more or less finished my own damn LP, so I can feel safe enough to show my head on this forum again! I wonder what they're talking about in that ol' codger Brickroad's thread?

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Originally Posted by Everyone

FF4DS

Excellent.

- Eddie

Destil · #**2829** 10-01-2012, 02:44 PM

You know, Edge is actually pretty good in FFIVDS. Pin Shadowbind is very good since random encounters pretty much require crowd control in the end-game and his high speed makes it likely to go off first (while Rydia has a 50/50 chance of being one-shot before she can get off stop). The Long Range augment is really good for him, too (way better than the Sneak Steal command) and easy to get on your first run.

Mogri · #**2830** 10-01-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sky Render

I believe it's more a case of the general philosophy of FF4DS biting it in the ass. Said philosophy is "make sure that whatever worked in the original release will make things the most difficult for the player".

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Originally Posted by Destil

You know, Edge is actually pretty good in FFIVDS.

Sky Render · #**2831** 10-01-2012, 03:37 PM

I get what they were trying to do with FF4DS; I really do. People were bitching already by FF4A that every remake and/or port of the game was just the same game they played back in 1991. They wanted to mix things up and give players a fresh challenge. The problem is, their methodology was of the stupidest sort. They should have identified the weak points of the system, improved or eliminated them, and introduced new and intuitive gameplay elements to spice things up. Instead they opted for a refuge in obscurity (whatever worked before doesn't now, whatever was pointless before is now the best bet) and set out to effectively piss off anyone who had played the original game (as well as anyone who thinks logically; there wasn't a lot of counterintuitiveness to how FF4's battles worked to begin with).

TL;DR: FF4DS made "doing it wrong" the only sane solution.

Torgo · #**2832** 10-01-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Destil

You know, Edge is actually the best in FFIVDS.

For two reasons!

Throwing stars are available as early as Cave Eblan, before you even get Edge.
They are reasonably-priced.

I had him sit in the back row chucking shurikens the entire game, and it was amazing. Say whatever else you want about IV DS, but it fixed Edge.

(But no seriously the game wasn't that hard. Or bad.)

Brickroad · #**2833** 10-20-2012, 07:02 PM

NO UPDATE YET! HA HA HA MADE YOU LOOK.

No, I'm just dropping in to inform you of my commitment to this LP, and the deep affection I have for each and every one of you. To prove that commitment and affection, I have taken upon myself the ultimate torture.

That's right. I'm hunting PinkPuffs for you bastards. Legit-like.

LINE UP AND APPRECIATE ME.

SpoonyBardOL · #**2834** 10-20-2012, 08:00 PM

You... you don't have to.

You REALLY don't have to.

I mean, for godssake crank up the emulator speed or something.

Octopus Prime · #**2835** 10-20-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brickroad

NO UPDATE YET! HA HA HA MADE YOU LOOK.

No, I'm just dropping in to inform you of my commitment to this LP, and the deep affection I have for each and every one of you. To prove that commitment and affection, I have taken upon myself the ultimate torture.

That's right. I'm hunting PinkPuffs for you bastards. Legit-like.

LINE UP AND APPRECIATE ME.

What in the Sam-hill is your major-malfunction, Brickroad?

Brickroad · #**2836** 10-20-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoonyBardOL

I mean, for godssake crank up the emulator speed or something.

Oh, I'm running at 417% speed over here. Wait, you didn't think I meant legit legit, did you?

But yeah no this is still annoying and monotonous as hell.

dtsund · #**2837** 10-20-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoonyBardOL

You... you don't have to.

You REALLY don't have to.

I mean, for godssake crank up the emulator speed or something.

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Originally Posted by Octopus Prime

What in the Sam-hill is your major-malfunction, Brickroad?

This isn't exactly something new for him.

Sky Render · #**2838** 10-20-2012, 10:31 PM

He really has gone snooker-loopy if he plans to manually grind out even one Pink Tail the proper way. He's gone blongie round the clonger if he's planning to get five. I did that once on the GBA version, where it's infinitely easier since you have Alarms to force the encounter, and it was *STILL* way too long and tedious.

Plug in that Action Replay code that ensures item drops. Nobody will call you on it unless they're severely sadistic.

Eddie · #**2839** 10-20-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sky Render

He really has gone snooker-loopy if he plans to manually grind out even one Pink Tail the proper way. He's gone blongie round the clonger if he's planning to get five. I did that once on the GBA version, where it's infinitely easier since you have Alarms to force the encounter, and it was *STILL* way too long and tedious.

Plug in that Action Replay code that ensures item drops. Nobody will call you on it unless they're severely sadistic.

The DS version is probably the "best" version to get the Pink Tail, given Alarms (which are purchasable) and the Treasure Hunter augment. I'm somewhat disturbed to say that I got a set of five, but doing so literally took hours and hours. Doing "legit" on an SNES would likely take weeks.

(and yes, just make sure to toss the other five pink tails in the trash can to cover it up.)

Destil · #**2840** 10-21-2012, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by McDohl

Boy, what in the hell are you doing?

Stop this nonsense.

Vega · #**2841** 10-21-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brickroad

Oh, I'm running at 417% speed over here. Wait, you didn't think I meant legit legit, did you?

To be that legit you'd have to hire actors to recreate the scene of you and your mom in 1992, with her ordering you to go outside to play while she hides the SNES in the attic.

dosboot · #**2842** 10-22-2012, 02:13 AM

Turbo speed or not, I will still consider it a legitimate experience as long as it ends with 1) Brickroad giving up or 2) Brickroad succeeding only after a monumentally regrettable length of time.

Torzelbaum · #**2843** 10-22-2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Brickroad

NO UPDATE YET! HA HA HA MADE YOU LOOK.

No, I'm just dropping in to inform you of my commitment to this LP, and the deep affection I have for each and every one of you. To prove that commitment and affection, I have taken upon myself the ultimate torture.

That's right. I'm hunting PinkPuffs for you bastards. Legit-like.

LINE UP AND APPRECIATE ME.

I think Bender has the only appropriate response to this.

Brickroad, if we lined up it wouldn't be to appreciate you - it would be to stage an intervention.

Violet · #**2844** 10-22-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brickroad

NO UPDATE YET! HA HA HA MADE YOU LOOK.

No, I'm just dropping in to inform you of my commitment to this LP, and the deep affection I have for each and every one of you. To prove that commitment and affection, I have taken upon myself the ultimate torture.

That's right. I'm hunting PinkPuffs for you bastards. Legit-like.

LINE UP AND APPRECIATE ME.

Man. I killed these bastards for ages in the GBA version, where there's an exploitable encounter after quicksaving and access to Palom for quicker kills, and I still never got a pink tail.

CokoBean · #**2845** 10-22-2012, 10:39 PM

I remember reading these guys are weak to the 'dancing dagger' from Mist (when you use it as an item.)

TE-Ryan · #**2846** 10-23-2012, 09:01 AM

Guys what does a pink tail do?

TK Flash · #**2847** 10-23-2012, 09:25 AM

Makes Brickroad something something

McClain · #**2848** 10-23-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TE-Ryan

Guys what does a pink tail do?

You give it to the mini guy who loves tails to get a chunk of awesomeantium* and someone makes you the best armor in the game that anyone can wear.

But the enemy that drops it 1/64 of the time only has a 1/64 chance of even showing up on the moon.

And to make matters even stupider, they added drops to it for the DS release.

*I'm not actually clear on if you get it directly from the Adamant island dude or get a thing to take to the blacksmith in the underground or what.

MCBanjoMike · #**2849** 10-23-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by McClain

You give it to the mini guy who loves tails to get a chunk of awesomeantium* and someone makes you the best armor in the game that anyone can wear.

But the enemy that drops it 1/64 of the time only has a 1/64 chance of even showing up on the moon.

So statistically speaking, you need to fight over 4000 random encounters on the moon in order to get this drop? Jesus Christ.

Mogri · #**2850** 10-23-2012, 12:47 PM

In other versions, you can use a consumable item called an "Alarm" to reliably enter a battle with them. That doesn't actually ensure that you have any chance at beating them. If you go into the battle unprepared, there is a very good chance that you will lose.