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Old 08-25-2011, 11:31 PM
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Weirdly enough. In fact, if you're utterly insane, you can actually learn the level 2 spells for Rydia before she learns Fire during the story. "I hate fire! I hate it I hate it I hate it!" *casts Fira in battle* "...What?"
Weird, when you get her back she's basically a completely different character in every respect.

I always kind of found it humorous how the only character who ever successfully gets the best of Golbez is a seven year old girl.
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:49 PM
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So, like, other than the slightly lower MP cost, is there ever a time you want to use Mist Dragon instead of a more powerful summon? I saw in FF5 that it has like a holy element or something. How does that work here?

Edit: Or I could just look it up

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It costs 20 MP to summon, and does damage based on Rydia's current HP - the more HP she has, the more damage it does.
I don't think I ever used it later in the game when she has more HP to see how much damage it can do.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:09 AM
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Rydia is the only character in the game whose command list is actually altered; her ability to use White Magic isn't merely stunted, it's removed entirely. It's never explained why this happens, not even as a hand-waved tidbit of Caller lore. It doesn't even really make sense from a gameplay standpoint; the only time Rydia is the only White Magic user in the party is the short walk between Kaipo and Tellah at the very beginning of the game.
I think JRPG logic stipulates that users of healing magic have to have a pure, strong mind. It's reasonable that an innocent child would, early on, be able to use such magic, even after something pretty horrible like their last living parent dying - in fact, it may even help moreso as they need to deal with that kind of thing all the time.

Getting suddenly eaten by a sea serpent, being ripped away from all the people you had begun to trust, and not even knowing if they fared any better? Soon after losing the aforementioned parent? That would be pretty traumatizing - just enough to want to use black magic a lot more than piddly white magic.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:11 AM
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Doesn't somebody in the castle mention that dwarf women have beards? Too bad the game doesn't introduce any... (Sorry if this picture resembles anybody you know.)



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There's no trick to this fight, unless you count killing the dolls before they merge. I don't precisely know the mechanism that governs this. It might be a fixed amount of time, or a fixed number of turns, or a counter that starts ticking down after a certain number of the dolls are dead.
Killing the Cals first works for me sometimes.

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...the only time Rydia is the only White Magic user in the party is the short walk between Kaipo and Tellah at the very beginning of the game.
Also the antlion cave. I interpreted Rydia losing white magic like a person dropping a childhood hobby as she got older. White magic might've just been an idle curiosity in Mist, or maybe she had to focus more on summoning because humanity almost lost that skill. But why doesn't it make gameplay sense for her to lose it? In the back half of the game you've always got Rosa and Cecil (and Fusoya) to cast white magic.

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Personally, given the option, I would have liked Rydia to have stayed a child. The game has already established that children in this world are capable of heroism and fearlessness. Why backpedal now?
Because it would be odd at the end of the game to have a seven year old girl rattling off black magic that would have killed Tellah?

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This map coincides with one later in the game (the one in the Sealed Cave, actually), so you can actually take the Crystal of Darkness and put it in your inventory. This has some weird effects on the game state later on, enabling you to skip a rather irritating dungeon and shave a good hunk off time off your clock.
Woah! Wouldn't Kain be in the team when they meet FuSuYa? What happens to the party then?

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There's also this crack in the floor. I don't know what this is. It doesn't mark anything and nothing is hidden here. My guess is that dancing HOWDY! dwarf just sleeps in this corner, and over the years the horns on his helmet have chipped away at the masonry. Anyone who tries to convince you it's at all important is lying to you.
Brick, the only friend of mine who struggles so mouch trouble with reality has to fight to keep his hours at McDonalds and steals cabling out of empty houses for scrap. You don't want to sink to that level.

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Kain's damage is actually fairly variable, and (thanks to the Drain Spear) is currently tied into his health level. At full HP he can actually miss entirely, even with Jump.
So THAT'S why it misses!

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As we approach, the Tower of Bab-il exchanges some ordinance with the dwarf tanks outside.
Sometimes I'd think the tanks were doing all the shooting and the explosions on top of them were merely muzzle flashes.

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No "monster closets"
The Trap Doors will give monster closets a decent fight, though.

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I am not sure how to test for this, though, because I cannot think of anywhere in the game where you would be subject to more than one kind of elemental attack at a time.
Just have Rydia cast each spell on Cecil. Alternately, warp back in time to Cave Magnes and fight the Dark Elf again.

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Actually, it might not have been until FF3 or Chrono Trigger where I finally came around on the "use your magic, stupid!" front.
I was like this too. There's no reason not to use up at least 2/3 of your magic when you get to use a tents so often.

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I love this little exchange so much...
Remember that FF2/4j movie we were talking about months ago? Hollywood's next great director is the one who figures out how to recreate the absurdities of this scene in live action. Has anybody already performed this scene at an anime con?

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...the dwarf tanks outside are about to get hit with the full brunt of the Super Cannon...
I thought it was aimed at the Dwarf Castle since their standard guns were already taking care of the tanks. Super can refer both to range and power.

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When Cecil refuses to clear the room, Yang knocks him the fuck out the door using what, in KARATELAND, passes for a mere handshake.
If Yang is so strong, why doesn't he just lift up the whole tower and chuck it into space? He coulda clobbered Zeromus at that very moment!

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The hole in the party where KARATE once stood seems so large. So distant. So... cold.
This is one of those moments when the party can enter the battle dead if the guy who left was the last one alive.

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Alley-oop! Over the side of the airship he goes.
One of the fan translations of this game makes Cid's quote something like: "Golbez! Take this bomb and my middle finger!" Then he raises his hand. So iconic!
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:25 AM
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I always figured the only reason Rydia grows up is so that Edge has someone to hit on
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:28 AM
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Because it would be odd at the end of the game to have a seven year old girl rattling off black magic that would have killed Tellah?
You seem to have forgotten that this is a jRPG.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:31 AM
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Doesn't somebody in the castle mention that dwarf women have beards? Too bad the game doesn't introduce any...
Ahem...

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Aw, isn't that cute! Wookit the widdle dwarf girl, with the pigtails, and the empty black face, and the ominously-glowing yellow eyes.

Absowutewy pwecious.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:32 AM
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I always figured the only reason Rydia grows up is so that Edge has someone to hit on
Fun Fact: Edge is still about 10 years older than her. Dude is old for a JRPG character.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:38 AM
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Golbez's home base is the absolutely gargantuan Tower of Bab-il. From its humble base here in the Underground, the tower reaches up through a hole in the planet's crust and thrusts high into the sky near Eblan.

No, I don't know what the Tower of Zot was. Maybe that was Golbez's summer home or something. (Or, well, you can actually see three towers from the world map. Maybe one of the ones in back is Zot, and the third one is Golbez's Luv Shack.)
I always thought that the portion of the tower above the surface by Eblan was the Tower of Zot, and the portion underground was the Tower of Bab-il. Since the human and dwarven civilizations don't have any contact with each other, it makes sense that they'd have two different names for the same structure. And outside of Golbez's gang, only your party would be in a position to realize it's the same tower.

No, this doesn't explain why the two airships fly straight up from Troia to reach Zot.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:38 AM
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Ahem...
She's just a little girl.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:45 AM
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Over the course of the FF series, the black face yellow eye thing has only been seen on oldschool black mages (and a couple related classes), and these dwarves. So... are FF1's black mages secretly dwarves? Discuss!
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:48 AM
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Rydia grows up because she was never a Toys R Us kid.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:00 AM
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She's just a little girl.
Are you implying dwarves are somehow born without beards?
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:08 AM
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Dr. Lugae has always weirded me out. Not just because I still don't know how to pronounce his name, and not just because he's a mad scientist in a mostly sword-and-sorcery setting, but also because...

... he looks like a crazed muppet.



See? For most of my life, I thought he either had an abnormally large nose or was some strange creature Golbez or Rubicant or somebody had recruited. Or maybe a misplaced Simpsons character (sorry, don't have time to draw that).

But now that I get a better look, I think I can see Dr. Lugae for the horrible person he is:



Something like that.
All I knew about Dr. Lugae back then was that I wondered what the fuck was up with his in-battle sprite. I was a bit confused when I saw him sporting a goatee* in the DS version, but when looking up pics a while ago I saw his Amano art and realized he always had it. His battle sprite is just really, really, REALLY compromised to make him look puny and unintimidating, and the palette minimalism hit him hard, too.

I'd post said art here (or at least a link) if I wasn't browsing on the Wii right now.

* The goatee is visible on his little field sprite, though.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:11 AM
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Over the course of the FF series, the black face yellow eye thing has only been seen on oldschool black mages (and a couple related classes), and these dwarves. So... are FF1's black mages secretly dwarves? Discuss!
Dwarves looked that that in NES FFIII too.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:12 AM
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Over the course of the FF series, the black face yellow eye thing has only been seen on oldschool black mages (and a couple related classes), and these dwarves. So... are FF1's black mages secretly dwarves? Discuss!
Something about the fact that the dwarves in FFIV and V are basically the Viking class from FFIII.


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Dwarves looked that that in NES FFIII too.
The dwarves in FFIII look totally different from the dwarves in any other game in the series. They're more gnomish.

Unless you just mean they have the glowing darkness eyes.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:13 AM
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Really? People didn't see Lugae's protruding chin as a goatee? Not to mention his simply fabulous pink shirt? Huh.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:21 AM
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Unless you just mean they have the glowing darkness eyes.
Yep!
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:22 AM
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You know, Rydia never seems to age at a greater rate than the rest of the party ever again. Even though The After Years says that she still spends most of her time in the Land of Summoned Monsters.

This can only mean that "Adult Rydia" is obviously a mentally disturbed young woman who just so happened to resemble an older version of the poor little girl whose drowned body ended up in Leviathan's plumbing washing ashore in Summon-Land. Why is she playing this sick game with Cecil and company? Why will she persist for upwards of a decade and a half, without ever once allowing her facade to crack, and her true nature to show? All I know is that I'm afraid of what a person like that would be capable of if anyone around her should ever discover the truth.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:51 AM
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After Years just says that time flows really weirdly in the Feymarch. Presumably during that one week it was hyper fast, and after that it was at normal speed.

Or something. Trusting After Years to make sense is a terrible idea.
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Old 08-26-2011, 02:00 AM
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Well, time passing oddly in the lands of Faerie is an old mythological tradition.
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I cannot think of anywhere in the game where you would be subject to more than one kind of elemental attack at a time.
Dark Elf, the Golbez fight you just passed, Magus Sisters, Tiny Magi? Some enemies later too, I think?

Also, didn't Adult Rydia have Nintendo Power art that you're withholding, or am I misremembering/repressing? It's a nice touch in Paladin! Cecil's infobox that the Paladin text is written over "Dark Knight" in shadow.

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Old 08-26-2011, 04:38 AM
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Super best.
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Old 08-26-2011, 07:36 AM
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Now, just to round things out, the 'misplaced Simpsons character' version of Lugae:



And one a little closer to the Amano version:

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Old 08-26-2011, 07:40 AM
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You know, I never really noticed it before, but Lugae seems to be wearing pink flip-flops, while Lugaeborg looks to be wearing stilletto heels.
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Old 08-26-2011, 07:53 AM
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You know, I never really noticed it before, but Lugae seems to be wearing pink flip-flops, while Lugaeborg looks to be wearing stilletto heels.
They were scientifically designed that way.

- Eddie
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:01 AM
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I'd post said art here (or at least a link) if I wasn't browsing on the Wii right now.
Here you go


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After Years just says that time flows really weirdly in the Feymarch.
I've always wondered about this, too, because I spent what seemed like forever dicking around in there later in the game, by which logic Golbez should have been ruling the world for a decade when I came back out.

Wait, I've got it: FFIV and OoT mashup!
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:55 AM
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In retrospect, the weirdest thing about the Lugae Borg is that he was a Treasure in FFTactics and name-dropped in a major story scene in Tactics Advance. Of all things.
In retrospect, the weirdest thing about the Lugae Borg is that he's wearing a pair of stylish pumps.

Edit: Damn you Octopus Prime!

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Old 08-26-2011, 12:09 PM
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It always seemed to me that Lugae's head was a tiny circle (the right eye), that he was facing away from the camera, his lab coat draped over his left side and his left arm was reaching forward. It's a small enough sprite that I never saw how it actually was.
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Old 08-26-2011, 04:05 PM
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I thought he had some kinda cartoonish rat face. Little pink nose, long grey snout, pink... what do you call'em, crevat? Puffy scarfy thing.
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Old 08-26-2011, 04:31 PM
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Another RPG available at the time was the first Breath of Fire. In a lot of ways it's a kind of spiritual sibling to FF2, and in this one key area I always thought it excelled: in Breath of Fire, you could mix and match your heroes however you want. I really appreciated that, and wished FF2 had given me the option.
It would've been nice if FFIVA changed things up a bit as far as story is concerned and let you use all of the characters (or at least more of the characters) during the main storyline rather than just dumping them all on you right before end game.

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I always kind of found it humorous how the only character who ever successfully gets the best of Golbez is a seven year old girl.
I don't think she's seven anymore, man.
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