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"One to be born from a dragon..." -- Let's Play Final Fantasy II

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Old 03-06-2011, 06:34 PM
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According to the FF Wiki, Tellah's name is slang for "old man" in Hebrew. It just dawned on me that this is a very intentional character description.

In FF3j, the Sage is the most powerful magic class and you get it at the end of the game. Imagine playing thought that game, then this one. You get "sage" Tellah, but he has forgotten most of his spells and some of his stats decrease when he gains levels. He is really meant to be the old man of the group.
So kinda a FUCK YOU to all of the Japanese fans of FF3, eh? Hell, even your proverbial ninja in FFIV isn't what most would consider overpowered, and Ninjas were the only party members you needed besides Sages in the original FF3, IIRC.
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:40 PM
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Porom also has the cutest menu portrait in the series
what? no way.

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Old 03-06-2011, 06:49 PM
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what? no way.

GAH

I just realized Mog is attempting a "sexy" pose there.

I can't unsee it.

sorry to derail the thread like this
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:07 PM
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In FF3j, the Sage is the most powerful magic class and you get it at the end of the game. Imagine playing thought that game, then this one. You get "sage" Tellah, but he has forgotten most of his spells and some of his stats decrease when he gains levels. He is really meant to be the old man of the group.
Square is actually being pretty subversive here. The "weak, feeble old man" of the group is actually weak and feeble. Then suddenly he regains the long-lost powers of his youth, and... he still kind of sucks. But in FFV we go back to the "old people kick ass!" mentality to which we've become accustomed.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:19 PM
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I feel the need to be the guy that points out that Final Fantasy 1-3 all had the blue screen of prose accompanied by the Prelude as the first screen you'd see whenever you turned on your console. So, for anyone that played FF4 wondering, "Where's my Prelude screen!?" it finally showing up at this point was probably a relief.

I know we're playing FF2 here, but it still sort of applies, as anyone that had played FF1 could still reach this point and realize, "Oh, cool, just like at the start of the other game."
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:25 PM
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what? no way.

Mog just looks too cool for school. Which is also good, but I don't find him adorable.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:30 PM
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Mog just looks too cool for school. Which is also good, but I don't find him adorable.
Quick, somebody shop sunglasses and possibly a cigarette onto him.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:49 PM
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I have never, ever been able to tell which was Palom and which was Porom.

And I never, ever will.
Porom is so smart because she pores over her books.

Palom just pals around with ya.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:50 PM
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But in FFV we go back to the "old people kick ass!" mentality to which we've become accustomed.
We didn't even have to wait that long. FuSoYa's supposed to be even older than Tellah and he's arguably the game's most capable magic user.

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Quick, somebody shop sunglasses and possibly a cigarette onto him.
Or find a way to pose Percy like him.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:58 PM
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So, for anyone that played FF4 wondering, "Where's my Prelude screen!?" it finally showing up at this point was probably a relief.
FF1-3's prelude screens were matter-of-fact descriptions of each game's scenario while the Mysidian legend is more metaphorical and poetic, so I don't think it would have made a suitable prelude.
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:12 PM
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I have never, ever been able to tell which was Palom and which was Porom.

And I never, ever will.
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Palom wears green coveralls and has a red cape; Porom wears red coveralls and has a green cape. This will be on the exam.
Pay attention, son!
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:16 PM
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Well, that's the end of the last mountain dungeon in the game. How's about one more spectacular view before heading down, eh?
It would have been even more spectacular if it reflected the mountain's actual surroundings on the map, but I'll admit this was still good stuff for a first-generation SNES game.
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:31 PM
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I have never, ever been able to tell which was Palom and which was Porom.

And I never, ever will.
It doesn't help that the game's own artwork confuses the two.

Palom


Porom
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:39 PM
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It doesn't help that the game's own artwork confuses the two.
uh, how so?
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:57 PM
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This artwork put Palom's face with Porom's colors.
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:00 PM
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It would have been even more spectacular if it reflected the mountain's actual surroundings on the map, but I'll admit this was still good stuff for a first-generation SNES game.
But it does! On the world map Mt. Ordeals is surrounded by plains, with forests further out, and a much larger mountain range to the far north.

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This artwork put Palom's face with Porom's colors.
They're twins, so I imagine their faces look pretty much the same.
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:54 PM
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Palom's basically making the same face in his menu portrait as in his Amano art.


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Old 03-06-2011, 09:55 PM
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I still remember the first time I played this game, seeing Cecil wash up on shore, and walking to the nearby town.

When I saw the town's name, my first reaction was "Oh. Shit."

I love this game.
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:58 PM
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The twins are right on Kain and Rydia's heels when it comes to listing fan favorites from FF2. Though they are relatively minor characters in the overall course of the plot, they are the focal point for some absolutely unforgettable scenes.
I hated them in Lost Odyssey.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:02 PM
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Since the first time I played this was in '92, I always used to think Palom was Square's attempt at bringing a more Bart Simpson-ish character into the game.

Looking at that blue legend screen almost makes me wonder if that entire first chunk of the game is really just an extended prologue, and this is the real beginning. And I thought FF1 was edgy for waiting until you beat the first boss to give you the title screen.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:23 PM
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But it does! On the world map Mt. Ordeals is surrounded by plains, with forests further out, and a much larger mountain range to the far north.
But that mountain range is directly north only. The ocean should be to the northeast and northwest. Also, the ring of trees should attenuate before the mountain range.

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Palom's basically making the same face in his menu portrait as in his Amano art.
And wearing Porom's clothes. Double check the colors!

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I still remember the first time I played this game, seeing Cecil wash up on shore, and walking to the nearby town. When I saw the town's name, my first reaction was "Oh. Shit."
On my first time playing I ran straight to the House of Prayers. I knew without checking that talking to anybody would get my ass kicked.

To be fair, I might have read the manual first.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:34 PM
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Funny thing about this part - did you know if you enter the boat from Fabul with Cecil dead ("Fainted") he'll still be dead at this point? You can still move "zombie" Cecil around on the world map but if you run into a battle it's instantly a game over.

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Oh... Palom. Why did you have to be such an annoying little punk right off the bat? This part of the game always made me think of that old saying - 'Never Work With Children Or Animals'.

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There's a pedobear joke in there somewhere, but I'm too much of a classy motherfucker to make it.
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Why Golbez may have left Rosa's mouth un-gagged is left as an exercise to the reader.
Way to be a classy motherfucker there, Brickroad.

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Man, I forgot how fucked-up Milon Z. looked.

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...right in this world. Some day, you will see."
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Finally, the Elder takes note of Cecil's new Legend Sword. As it turns out, it's not just a clever name; the sword actually has a for-real legend inscribed upon it:
Nerdy admission time here : Once long ago I translated both that saying of "Mirror" DKnight's and the legend from the sword into Latin (but I have forgotten most of the translated legend). I've also done the same for lines from other video games.

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I have never, ever been able to tell which was Palom and which was Porom. And I never, ever will.
I also have always had trouble telling them apart. I usually always changed their names to make it easier to tell them apart. Seriously, Square - couldn't you have put a black mage hat (or baseball cap) on Palom or something?

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Old 03-07-2011, 12:50 AM
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Don't they look different in The After Years?
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:42 AM
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[*]Blink
This is a pretty swank buff that causes the target to evade the next few physical attacks. Its usefulness is limited by the number of monsters with dangerous physical
attacks, but it's more cost-efficient than, say, casting Cure3 on Yang every goddamn round.
Romhacker #1: "Hey, you know what would be totally awesome?"
Romhacker #2: "What?"
#1: "If we added an enemy that hit like a truck, sped like Sonic the Hedgehog, and did that alligator double-attack every turn! Then we'd finally force the player to make liberal use of Blink!"
#2: "Hey, you know what would be even more awesome?"
#1: "What?"
#2: "If we included a Blue ZoiDBERG that did 9999 unblockable undodgeable damage as a tribute to FF1!"
#1 and #2: "Excellent!"

And thus the greatest romhack ever was born in the form of FF4HardType. Oh the bliss of ignorance.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:48 AM
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Romhacker #1: "Hey, you know what would be totally awesome?"
Romhacker #2: "What?"
#1: "If we added an enemy that hit like a truck, sped like Sonic the Hedgehog, and did that alligator double-attack every turn! Then we'd finally force the player to make liberal use of Blink!"
#2: "Hey, you know what would be even more awesome?"
#1: "What?"
#2: "If we included a Blue ZoiDBERG that did 9999 unblockable undodgeable damage as a tribute to FF1!"
#1 and #2: "Excellent!"

And thus the greatest romhack ever was born in the form of FF4HardType. Oh the bliss of ignorance.
That pretty much sums up almost every rom hack in existence. Somewhere along the line they lost sight of the idea of compelling game design in favor of LETS MAKE EVERYTHING INSANELY HARD GREAT IDEA EH? Cause that's what people loved about FF4, how blisteringly hard it was.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:51 AM
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Palom's basically making the same face in his menu portrait as in his Amano art.
He suffers from strabismus.

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Don't they look different in The After Years?
Yes. Palom looks like what you'd expect him to, while Po's decided that she wants to wear this terrifying pink see-through thing. Also her hair is pink, because why not

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Old 03-07-2011, 01:52 AM
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#1: "If we added an enemy that hit like a truck, sped like Sonic the Hedgehog, and did that alligator double-attack every turn! Then we'd finally force the player to make liberal use of Blink!"
Er, how else am I supposed to keep Edge alive while FoSoYa is in the party and he's forced into the front rank? Even if I am using Image.
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:25 AM
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I hated them in Lost Odyssey.
Yeah, they're pretty insufferable, but you've gotta love how blatantly they were lifted at least. And I actually do really like how plot wise the adults keep'em out of harm's way... to the degree that slightly behind everyone else counts as out of harm's way.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:21 AM
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Man, I forgot how fucked-up Milon Z. looked.
Walking around on all fours, but with his left hand broken mostly off so he's actually leaning on the wrist bone, with the hand trailing behind (or simply twisted backwards), is actually pretty gruesome-but-clever. The fiends were good designs; unlike the WILD AND CRAZY AND MONSTROUS AND MULTI-LIMBED FF1 fiends, they're all rather simple and straightforward, but striking and memorable, with cool touches.

Also, I realize this isn't actually NEWS, but I assumed or remembered the twins being slightly older, so that sending them on dangerous missions was reckless by real-life standards, but justifiable in a melodramatic adventure tale.

But...THEY'RE ONLY FIVE!?
Jesus, Elder!
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:51 AM
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But...THEY'RE ONLY FIVE!?
Jesus, Elder!
Hey, everyone makes mistakes. And being a religious leader makes you blind to, ah... certain precautions one should take when "communing" with that pretty White Mage in the Wishing Room.

Mistakes like that can be costly. For, say, 18 years or so. Mysidian tuition is at an all-time high. Do you think GP grows on the back of Chocobos? He's just trying to get rid correct his mistake before it gets too expensive.
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