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"One to be born from a dragon..." -- Let's Play Final Fantasy II

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Old 09-17-2012, 12:39 AM
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With explosions.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:48 AM
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I take this for granted, but the Giant sprite is really weird. With its intricate detailing and lack of a hard black outline, it looks like it belongs in an entirely different game.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:17 AM
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Since Amano's original design made the Giant look like a building, a nice consolation design would have been for the Tower itself to rise out of the ground, sprout legs, and do the walking and bombing itself. Only the Lunar Whale could fly high enough to reach its critical portions, so you'd be pulling the Lunarian's own kill switch on Zemus/Golbez. The Dwarven tanks could have reached the surface through the hole left by the Tower (the tanks would need very grabby treads, but hey), and when the Tower fell it could have created a land bridge from Eblan to Toroia, making the whole world accessible by Dwarf tank and maybe hovercraft.

What utility that would have been, I don't know. Dwarf-fashionista couples?
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:17 AM
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Maybe one of the recent remakes goes into more detail in how it looks, but I couldn't be bothered
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:46 AM
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poor downsy leviathan



i mean, honestly, it seems like rosa and rydia are far more important gameplaywise to this merry band of adventurers than edge or kain, but maybe i'm totally undervalueing edge's ability to throw knives at things???

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Old 09-17-2012, 07:32 AM
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Knives and spoons.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:40 AM
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And ultra-weak to Thunder Claws, to the tune of 4x or 8x damage. Did... did you forget?
Yeah, I forgot. You have to do push-ups anyway.

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you throw knives
Hahaha, the beer belly is what really sells it!
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:42 AM
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I can't see any of the images in this update! :O
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:11 AM
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Since the Giant was landlocked, how would have destroyed the world? Answer: it would have drilled a hole under the ocean. This would have flooded the underworld and dried up the overworld in one fell swoop. Had it succeeded, FF2's World of Ruin would have been filled with steam from the collision of massive amounts of water and magma.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:22 AM
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That's just silly. How would the giant get a drill without Cid's help?
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:37 AM
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That's just silly. How would the giant get a drill without Cid's help?
Well, every step it takes causes a big ol' wave of explosions, maybe it just stands still and taps its foot a lot?
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:17 AM
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Of course! That makes complete sense. Tap dancing for world destruction.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:33 AM
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I can't see any of the images in this update! :O
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:42 AM
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Brickroad's website, scibbe.com, where he hosts the images seems to be down for now.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:55 AM
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it would appear that scibbe.com is down.

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Old 09-17-2012, 12:38 PM
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Why would KluYa even build a doomsday device like the Giant anyway?

Clearly, KluYa's intentions were far more chilling and terrifying than FuSoYa let us think.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:11 PM
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Why would KluYa even build a doomsday device like the Giant anyway?

Clearly, KluYa's intentions were far more chilling and terrifying than FuSoYa let us think.
Maybe he just really hated door-to-door solicitors.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:20 PM
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where does it imply that KluYa built the Giant?? sounds fishy to me
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:47 PM
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Yeah, I forgot. You have to do push-ups anyway.



Hahaha, the beer belly is what really sells it!
but for real, i've never played ffiv this far so i really don't know how useful edge is. i know you said he can do hecka damage throwing excalibur, but you only get like one of those, while the rest of the gameplay notes for random encounters are basically "here's what rydia needs to do to end this encounter" so idk???
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:21 PM
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Edge has less health and lower attack damage than Kain or Cecil. He also has worse magic than Rydia or Rosa. He can steal things in a game with no good steals, or he can throw things in a game with weak throws.

On the bright side, he can cast Blink/Image on himself.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:27 PM
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In the GBA version where you can customize your end-game party, Edge is the first one to go.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:18 PM
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The only correct way to use Edge is to dupe a pile of strong weapons for him to throw.
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:02 PM
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I like Edge plenty fine in other versions of FF4, where he can nab infinite Alarms off of floating eye enemies and thus make the battling of certain lurid-colored self-animate desserts that much easier. 'Course, he's not much use once you do get those Alarms, or before, but yeah. Credit where credit is due, he is a pony with at least one trick.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:37 PM
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Edge has less health and lower attack damage than Kain or Cecil. He also has worse magic than Rydia or Rosa. He can steal things in a game with no good steals, or he can throw things in a game with weak throws.
A while ago I looked up the levels of enemies starting in the Land of Summons, I think, and found that most were several levels higher than Edge is likely to be at the time you encounter them. This locks his steal rate at 5% for most encounters (even though many enemies don't have an item to steal so you only get a CURE). Endgame enemies are all over 70 (some are 99). I've never reached level 70, and sometimes don't reach 60. As a bonus, Edge takes a bit of damage when he fails (and, maybe, might be inflicted with a status associated with one of his own weapons? My memory is a bit fuzzy here). It's really the worst implementation of Steal Sneak there ever was or will be.

Edge should do around as much damage as Kain, though, depending on equipment. Agility helps with his attack multiplier, and he's a dual wielder. The main problem is that he can't take hits worth a crap on the front line (using a shield provides a significant bonus to your defense multiplier - 1 point every 16 levels) but he doesn't get any back row weapons worth using for long.

Speaking of multipliers, Agility is also a factor in the magic defense multiplier. The stat system for this game was pretty fine tuned to keep anyone from getting too far ahead or falling too far behind, at least for the segments in which they appear. Also, you can effectively change Rosa's or Rydia's class by giving them certain equipment. I wish they'd use a system like this again in something other than a crappy fanfic-y sequel.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:16 PM
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A brief conversation ensues about the relative blackness of Cecil's soul versus Golbez's, but it isn't developed very well and kind of doesn't go anywhere. As best I can figure, good and evil are primal forces in the world of FF2, and each person is born with a set capacity for both. In other words, Cecil was destined for good and Golbez was destined for evil regardless of what paths they chose along the way. This would explain why Cecil was such a self-loathing DKnight, and why there are no allusions to some past event where Golbez "earned" his evil stains.
I heard someone mention that the Lunarian Babies scene that made its way into FF4DS was intended for inclusion in the original. (If you haven't played it, the gist is that Baby Golbez was lured by the wiles of Eeeevil to hate and/or murder Baby Cecil.)

I can't say whether this is true, although I can say I didn't really care for that scene anyway.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:09 PM
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...How exactly did the dwarven tanks make it out of the underground and across the sea?
My guess is Cid put hooks on all the airships.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:16 PM
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As if Cid would use the same trick more than once.

No, what he did was retrofit all the tank treads with Spider Ball technology.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:35 PM
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where does it imply that KluYa built the Giant?? sounds fishy to me
Yeah, he didn't.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:44 PM
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I would often keep edge in the back row with whatever his best throwing weapon was until the very very end of the game. With Kain jumping that means that Cecil got to soak up almost all of the front-row damage.

I can't remember now much more noticeable his speed was in the original, but I feel like on the DS he was getting almost two hits for every one of the harder hitters.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:59 PM
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I like Edward's scene, too. "Cecil! Look at me! I'm finally out bed, and I'm totally brave now! Watching your adventures from underneath the covers in the land of scantily-clad women and crystal-clear water has given me the courage to ogle this dancer's ass while standing on the deck of an airship safely outside the effective range of the enemy's blast radius!"
For some reason that makes me think of Edward dressed up like a pimp (called Doctor Damcyan).

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As if Cid would use the same trick more than once.

No, what he did was retrofit all the tank treads with Spider Ball technology.
Or did he use the Wall upgrade(s) from the SOPHIA (from Blaster Master)?
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