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The Final Fantasy Tactics Autobattle Tournament thread
Table of Contents
The collapsible spoilers on this table of contents contain the full list of videos for the appropriate tournament. Naturally, this includes spoilers for the tournament in question. Read at your own risk!
Last edited by Mogri; 10-16-2015 at 07:03 PM. |
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Rules and reference
The Rules
Do you like FFT? Do you like creating teams and/or optimizing builds? This is the thread for you. The short version Create a party. I'll stick them into FFT and set them to autobattle someone else's party. Whoever submits the winningest party is the winningest winner. How it works Each contestant will put together a team, usually consisting of four characters. I'll import your characters into the game and use debug mode to make them fight each other to the death. I'll post the videos on YouTube. Making a team To enter a tournament, create a team that fits that tournament's guidelines. These vary between tournaments, but you can usually expect some of these rules: No special characters. You're using a party of four generic units (often, but not always, humans). Math Skill, Blade Grasp, Abandon, Elixir, Hamedo, the Kikuichimoji Draw Out, and the Zodiac summon are banned. Sorry about that. There are plenty of other ways to break the game. Abilities that cause Frog are banned. This includes Frog, Nameless Dance, and Water Ball. (Counter Flood is not banned, so it's still possible to cause Frog indirectly.) The reason for this is that Frog is an infinite-duration effect that completely disables a unit. Brave and Faith between 40 and 70. This is the normal range for generics. You'll probably want 70 Brave for all your units, but Faith is a double-edged sword: it increases the effect of magic on the unit as well as from the unit. Max stats for the unit's job. Your characters will be given the maximum stats for their level as if they had been in that job since level 1. Most tournaments will feature level 35 units. Store-bought equipment only. Sorry, no Chantage. No Zodiac signs. Everyone's an Aries. This is both for the sake of simplicity and to prevent people from sniping other teams. PSP or PSX names okay. I will use PSX names, but if you're more familiar with WotL, go for it. I can understand your strange language. Unlimited items. You have 99 of any store-buyable item, including Katanas. In addition to each character's abilities and equipment, you'll need to specify his/her AI. Here's a brief explanation of the available AI types: Quote:
Abilities Optionally, you can specify which abilities in a skillset you would like your characters to know. This can be useful for two reasons: first, it gives you tighter control over your characters (a Bard who only knows Nameless Song will never use Angel Song); second, it prevents the AI from doing stupid stuff like Antidote and Carbunkle. If you don't specify your abilities, your character will know everything in that skillset. But I don't know jack about FFT There's no prize money. If you think it would be fun to watch your gimmick team take on the other teams, then by all means, throw your hat in the ring. If you need help putting together your party, let us know and we'll give you a hand. Reference materials Battle Mechanics Guide - More information than you will ever need. Detailed explanations of every ability in the game. You don't need this much information. Auto-Battle Guide - Unnecessary, but has a few useful tips for working with the AI. Jobs and their stats - Written for the express purpose of helping AI autobattlers. Abilities - Also written for autobattlers. Doesn't list the individual skills in each skillset; for that, try this Job/Ability List (Ctrl+F "%STANDARD JOBS%" to jump to the relevant section). Equipment list - Also written for autobattlers. This isn't a comprehensive list of equipment; it just lists the tournament-viable items in each category. Finally, here's a sample character to get you started: Code:
Edward Male Bard 70 Br, 40 Fa Run like a rabbit Sing (Cheer Song only) Item (X-Potion, Phoenix Down only) Damage Split Equip Shield Move+3 Bloody Strings Aegis Shield Thief Hat Power Sleeve Bracer Last edited by Mogri; 05-27-2013 at 04:18 PM. |
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Tournament 2: Unlimited Doubles
What's New You get only two characters this time, but there are almost no restrictions on how you outfit them. See the "Making a Team" section for the limitations. The battleground for this tournament will change at the start of each round, but each battle in the same round will share a battleground. How it works Each contestant will put together a team of two characters following the rules below. I'll import your characters into the game and use debug mode to make them fight each other to the death. I'll post the videos on YouTube. Making a team All you need to do is come up with a party of two characters. Restrictions follow:
In addition to each character's abilities and equipment, you'll need to specify his/her AI. See the general instructions post for details. Helpful Tips Since there are so few restrictions on this format, here are a few things inexperienced players should know:
Format
Here is a sample video of two teams squaring off in this format. To enter, reply with your team of two. Last edited by Mogri; 05-28-2013 at 12:06 PM. |
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I'm pretty sure this tournament is just going to come down to "Who has the strongest draw out user" again.
I made a team but I'm pretty sure it will be useless. Team Eldridge Sisters Code:
Kaia (Female Priest) 70 Br, 70 Fa Save Fading Life White Magic (Raise 2, Cure 4, Holy) Math Skill (All) -Math Magic Selection -Petrify (Yin Yang) -Stop (Time) -Flare (Black) -Holy (White) MagAttackUP Blade Grasp Teleport Mace of Zeus Robe of Lords Ribbon Chantage Code:
Meira (Female Dancer) 70 Br, 40 Fa Run Like Rabbit Dance (Nameless Dance) Martial Arts Counter Flood Move HP Up Power Sleeve Cacusha Setiemson |
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I strongly suggest switching those perfumes. Haste doesn't do much good on a dancer, but it will do wonders for a Math Skill unit.
Before anyone asks, the PSP-exclusive items are off limits for obvious reasons. |
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Well riddle me this: Can an invisible unit start dancing without revealing itself?
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Clever, but no.
Your Dancer has no secondary ability. Item is always a good option. |
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No. But if a unit starts dancing then turns invisible they will continue dancing while still remaining invisible. But I doubt the AI is smart enough to take advantage of that.
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Curses.
I shall need to think more on this. Withdrawing that team for now. |
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There's no way I can leverage the broken aspects well enough to create a team with this format.
Team Role Reversal Code:
Opal (Female Knight) 70 Brave, 40 Faith Save Fading Life Battle Skill (Break Weapon, Break Helmet) Punch Art (Earth Slash, Chakra, Revive, Stigma Magic) Abandon Two Swords Move +2 Excalibur Defender Robe of Lords Ribbon Chantage Code:
Glen (Male Chemist) 70 Brave, 70 Faith Save Fading Life Item (X-Potion, Elixir, Remedy) Steal (Steal Heart) MP Switch Magic Defend UP Move MP Up Blast Gun Rubber Clothes Thief Hat Angel Ring QUESTIONS:
Last edited by Torgo; 06-18-2013 at 09:18 PM. |
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I know nothing about Tactics...
How terrible can I possibly be if I decide to attempt anyway? |
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I think someone asked about that last go-around, and the answer was no, because of technical limitations about the AI and not being able to exclude particular items, so you're stuck with 99 Potions as well as 99 Hi-Potions and 99 Elixirs.
Which I think would make Chemist pretty useless in this setup, but I know very little about Tactics so I could be wrong. |
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Chemist will totally still use powerful stuff; the discussion before was about Auto-Potion, which will always use Potions instead of X-Potions, making it pretty worthless.
This is going to give me some interesting stuff to think about! Can I resist bringing Cersei back? |
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Gerad is right, but to go into detail: The AI dislikes overkill. It will not use an Elixir if an X-Potion will do. If you absolutely don't want your unit to use an X-Potion, just don't give it that ability.
To answer your other questions: Escutcheon II is allowed. It gives 75% evade and 50% m-evade. Move-MP + MP Switch is also legal. Despite its crazy evade, Escutcheon may still be less desirable than other shields, such as the Venetian Shield, which cuts fire/ice/bolt by half. Edit: Move +3 is a Bard skill, so you can't use it on a female unit. Last edited by Mogri; 05-27-2013 at 08:19 PM. |
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Rats! I'll tentatively slap Move +2 on her for now, but I'll reconsider my options. |
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I'm gonna hedge my bets with a mixture of standard defensive tricks and some wild card attacks, in the hope that I cover all my bases while defying the opposition's defense. The risk is that I might be sacrificing too much raw strength and toughness.
Out of curiosity, how will the Fight For Life target selection work? Random coin flip? Code:
Waffles Male Knight 70 Br, 70 Fa Save Fading Life Break Skill - Weapon Break Math Skill - One each: Holy, Frog, Paralyze, Stop MP Switch Concentrate Move-MP Up Excalibur Venetian Shield Grand Helmet Robe of Lords 108 Gems Code:
Toast Female Lancer 40 Br, 40 Fa Save Fading Life Jump Item - Elixir, Remedy, Phoenix Down Abandon Magic Defend Up Teleport Javelin II Escutcheon II Ribbon Maximillian Chantage |
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Ohhhhh boy. Here we go!
Team Dynamic Duo Quote:
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I regret nothing Last edited by PrivateJoker; 07-05-2013 at 02:15 PM. |
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Can Math Skill be Damage Split?
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Yes. It can also be Counter Magicked, though I think the CM will still consume MP. never mind i am a liar
The first post in this thread has been updated with a table of contents. If you feel like re-watching any of the first tournament but you're too lazy to scroll through the other thread or my YT channel, then you're in luck! Last edited by Mogri; 05-28-2013 at 12:32 PM. |
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Code:
Grade 5 Female Knight 70 Br, 70 Fa Save fading life Battle Skill (Shield Break, Head Break, Speed Break) Math Skill (Holy, Stop, Death, Zombie) MP Switch Magic AttackUP Move-MP Up Excalibur Escutcheon 2 Ribbon Robe of Lords Chantage Code:
Throw Nazi Female Chemist 70 Br, 70 Fa Run like rabbit Item (X-potion, Elixir, Pheonix Down, Remedy) Steal (Helmet, Shield, Accessory) Hamedo Equip Shield Fly Blast Gun Venetian Shield Thief Hat Black Costume Salty Rage EDIT: Oh heck, I'll give her steal anyway. Team Ready! Last edited by Jikkuryuu; 05-28-2013 at 08:26 PM. |
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I've updated the equipment list, cleaning it up a bit and adding some missing items (most importantly, the shields).
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Couple of questions about invisibility:
Does Always: Invisible, like from the Setiemson, activate only at the start of the battle, or does it ever re-activate (like if the unit ends its turn without doing anything)? Will the AI completely ignore an invisible unit? |
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Am I misremembering the Gokuu Rod giving the wielder innocence? Or something else? I think it was something Rafa started with after chapter 3?
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The AI will not pursue an invisible enemy, but an invisible enemy can sometimes be targeted (i.e. as a side effect of an attack on a different enemy). In general, the AI will not do this on purpose, but I couldn't guarantee it for all cases without looking at the source code. Yeah, you're misremembering. It's inflicted on hit (like Assassin Dagger and Death Sentence). Innocent is bad for Rafa and Malak anyway. |
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Okay, here is my actual team for real this time
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Iris Female Priest 70 Brave, 70 Faith Save Fading Life White Magic: Cure 3, Cure 4, Esuna, Regen, Raise, Raise 2, Holy) Draw Out: (Kiyomori, Murasame, Muramasa) Magic Attack Up Blade Grasp Teleport Mace of Zeus Robe of Lords Ribbon Chantage Code:
Jepac Male Monk 70 Brave, 70 Faith Save Fading Life Punch Arts (Chakra, Earth Slash, Secret Fist Stigma Magic) Throw (Knight Sword) Equip Armor Damage Split Move HP Up Maximillian Grand Helmet Jade Armlet Last edited by Solitayre; 05-30-2013 at 04:47 PM. |
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Damnit, there goes one half of a perfectly good team!
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Well, I wanna see how a monster stacks up against the brokenest builds in the game, so I submit team VIII.
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Yuko Female Knight 70 Br, 40 Fa Protect Allies (Koromaru) Battle Skill(Shield, Weapon, Armor, Speed) Item(Elixir, Phoenix Down, Remedy, Holy Water) MP Switch Maintenance Move-MP Up Excalibur Escutcheon II Ribbon Robe of Lords Chantage Code:
Koromaru Tiamat 70 Br, 40 Fa Fight for Life Last edited by Aeonus; 08-13-2013 at 09:47 PM. |
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I'm starting to think that "Steal Accessory" is going to be the most underrated ability in this tournament...
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Personally, the paucity of participants and plurality of perfumes predispose me to panic when placed against persuasive male purloiners of hearts. I'm so sorry.
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