The Final Fantasy Tactics Autobattle Tournament thread

Mogri · #**331** 06-21-2013, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PrivateJoker

Huh, I guess I didn't notice that one. Just went back and saw it. Not sure what the deal is there, maybe the computer doesn't properly take Haste into account when it checks for that stuff?

Haste doesn't affect the resolution speed of Jump.

Actually, the real Jump oddity was when a unit Jumped, the targeted unit got a turn, and she didn't move. It was one of the earlier, superlong videos.

Speaking of superlong battles, this one isn't!

PrivateJoker · #**332** 06-21-2013, 09:29 PM

I didn't think it affected Jump, but it does affect the target. The target can move out of the way because it's got Haste.

And Yea, I remember the thing with them getting the turn, and opting not to dodge the Jump. It happened with my Lancer, and Jiku's knight didn't move out of the way for some reason. The AI clearly just doesn't understand Jump.

Torzelbaum · #**333** 06-21-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PrivateJoker

There's only like, one place in the storyline where I recall Lancers showing up. You really spend the entire game fighting Knights

Fucking equipment-breaking Knights!

Gerad · #**334** 06-21-2013, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mogri

Speaking of superlong battles, this one isn't!

I don't usually laugh out loud often, but "there's a pick-me-up" got me. Well done.

Regulus · #**335** 06-21-2013, 10:21 PM

Okay, I'm submitting changes.

Changelog:
-Added Earth Slash to Bellatrix' Punch Arts.
-Added Petrify, Paralyze, and Sleep to Bellatrix' Yin Yang Magic.
-Removed Pray Faith from Bellatrix' Yin Yang Magic.
-AlphaLeo is still a zombie.
-Removed Herobrine.

What do you guys think? Am I making a mistake with Earth Slash? Should I trade Two Swords for Concentrate instead? Will the next battlefield actually give my Monk a chance to walk around shield users? Should I leave the cursed ring on, or swap it with an Angel Ring or something?

Undead would be a much more interesting status effect if it had 100% chance of revive instead of crystalization, I think. Sort of like a weaker Chantage that comes with a bunch of debilitating weaknesses.

Torgo · #**336** 06-21-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PrivateJoker

You really spend the entire game fighting Knights, and various mages, with the occasional Thief or Monk thrown in.

There's lots of Archers too. I never really realized how thick the game is with them until I ran an Archer SCC. Arrow Guard is delightful when your whole team has it.

Regulus · #**337** 06-21-2013, 10:26 PM

Oh, and an interesting observation after rewatching my match with Torzelbaum: That calced Zombie at the beginning of the match should have had around a 5% chance of landing due to the Venetian Shield. It likely only succeeded because of Transparent, which is like temporary Super Concentrate - unlike the Concentrate support ability, Transparent ignores phys and mag evade. This gives me some interesting ideas for some future builds.

Mogri · #**338** 06-22-2013, 09:21 PM

Thus ends round 1. We'll be taking a break until everyone's changes are ready.

PrivateJoker · #**339** 06-22-2013, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Torgo

There's lots of Archers too. I never really realized how thick the game is with them until I ran an Archer SCC. Arrow Guard is delightful when your whole team has it.

Yea I forgot about Archers, they are everywhere. There's a few oddball Chemists that pop up in some chapters too. That just about covers it though. You never fight against Bards/Dancers, Calculators, Mimes, and maybe some others, at any point in the game.

Also, that battle up there? That escalated quickly. Lilfut got wrecked

reinoe · #**340** 06-23-2013, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mogri

We'll be taking a break until everyone's changes are ready.

How long is the break?

Mogri · #**341** 06-23-2013, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mogri

Thus ends round 1. We'll be taking a break until everyone's changes are ready.

Torgo · #**342** 06-23-2013, 12:30 AM

One final revision, reflecting PrivateJoker's last suggestions.

I'm puttin' it down, walkin' away.

reinoe · #**343** 06-23-2013, 12:39 AM

One final revision to my team...

Elfir · #**344** 06-23-2013, 08:58 AM

Well that was quick. I have no clue how Ralph will perform if he actually does something. We'll probably still get slaughtered when the math monsters come out.

Kzinssie · #**345** 06-23-2013, 12:57 PM

well that could have gone better

I... don't even know where to start with revisions. Should I just reclass Mia?

DeeMer · #**346** 06-23-2013, 10:34 PM

What are the rules for revisions? I'm not planning anything drastic but want to know what my limits are.

Torgo · #**347** 06-24-2013, 03:22 AM

I don't think straight-up reclassing is allowed. At least it wasn't last time. You're free to juggle equipment and skills around as you like, but the idea was to try refining your original thought for the team rather than scratching it altogether for something else.

Mogri can correct me on this though.

reinoe · #**348** 06-24-2013, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Torgo

I don't think straight-up reclassing is allowed. At least it wasn't last time. You're free to juggle equipment and skills around as you like, but the idea was to try refining your original thought for the team rather than scratching it altogether for something else.

Mogri can correct me on this though.

Well I flat out replaced one of my units with a Mime. Total reclassing seems to be all well and good.

Mogri · #**349** 06-24-2013, 10:02 AM

I'm not going to put a hard rule on it, but the general guideline is that you should keep the spirit of the original team. As long as you don't completely change both units, you'll probably be OK.

Gerad · #**350** 06-24-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilfut

well that could have gone better

I... don't even know where to start with revisions. Should I just reclass Mia?

I'd suggest making Mia a Ninja with Steal secondary. You'll get a lot more use out of throwing Chaos Blades than those summons, and with concentrate, it'll work on all these Escutcheon/Abandon units everyone has. She'll be better as a Ninja at stealing anyway.

You should switch her barrette to a ribbon for better status protection.

Baron is better off, but I'd suggest Item instead of that nigh-useless Basic Skill set. You may also want to consider Blade Grasp or MP switch/move MP up instead of Hamedo.

DeeMer · #**351** 06-24-2013, 03:21 PM

Revisions in Bold:

Code:

Brenque
Male Knight
70 Br / 45F
Fight for Life

Battle Skill (all)
Item (Remedy, Elixir, Phoenix Down)
Abandon
Two Swords
Move +3

Excalibur
Chaos Blade
Grand Helm
Robe of Lords
Feather Mantle


Saoze
Female Ninja
70/70
Protect Brenque
Throw (Knight Sword)
Math Skill Raise 2, Frog, Demi 2, Confusion Song
Blade Grasp
Magic Defense Up
Move +2

P Bag
H Bag
Thief Hat
Black Costume
Setiemson

Would any of these changes save me from Tiamat? Not except refunding the opportunity cost of Pray/Doubt Faith. However, I did notice other glaring flaws in my design, e.g., it turns out that focusing on MA is very stupid for any non-damaging magic.

PrivateJoker · #**352** 06-24-2013, 03:53 PM

I feel like if I completely scrapped Batman, and replaced him with one of those female knights weilding Math Kill + Excalibur and wearing Chantage + a Ribbon, I'd probably be able to run a train through loser's bracket all the way up to Grand Finals.

But I can't bring myself to ditch Batman. He's the goddamn BATMAN.

Destil · #**353** 06-24-2013, 04:51 PM

Batgirl with the Oracle as offsceen backup?

"Oracle, I need a Holy on every unit with a level multiplier of 3."

Wait... I think those are the same character.

Torzelbaum · #**354** 06-24-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PrivateJoker

Math Kill

Typo or intentional?

PrivateJoker · #**355** 06-24-2013, 06:28 PM

it was a typo, but it's a pretty hilarious typo

Torzelbaum · #**356** 06-24-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PrivateJoker

it was a typo, but it's a pretty hilarious typo

Yes, one of the best typos ever.

dtsund · #**357** 06-25-2013, 01:59 AM

On reflection, the only thing I'm changing is the AI. Hopefully, this'll get Mabel to actually use that Reraise spell she's packing, which in turn will mean no need for Chantage.

Code:

Mabel
Female Ninja
70 Br, 70 Fa
Protect Allies (Dipper)

Throw (Knight Swords)
Math Skill (All):
-Reraise (White)
-Frog (Black)
-Stop (Time)
-Paralyze (Yin-Yang)
MP Switch
Equip Shields
Move-MP Up

H Bag
Escutcheon II
Ribbon
Secret Clothes
Setiemson

Code:

Dipper
Male Knight
70 Br, 70 Fa
Save Fading Life

Battle Skill (Head Break, Shield Break)
Talk Skill (Threaten)
Blade Grasp
Two Swords
Move+3

Excalibur
Chaos Blade
Grand Helmet
Robe of Lords
Jade Armlet

Gerad · #**358** 06-26-2013, 12:15 PM

So we are just waiting on Lilfut's changes now?

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Originally Posted by Regulus

What do you guys think? Am I making a mistake with Earth Slash? Should I trade Two Swords for Concentrate instead? Will the next battlefield actually give my Monk a chance to walk around shield users? Should I leave the cursed ring on, or swap it with an Angel Ring or something?

Personally, I would swap the cursed ring with just about anything else, but that's just me. Too many Raise 2/Elixirs around, he'll just get nuked every time he pops up. You may want to consider giving Alpha Leo a Bracer for better attack and battle skill (maybe Concentrate too?). Even with just concentrate, your breaks ought to be >80%.

I think Earth Slash is good (you need a way to damage evasion tanks). Two swords/concentrate is a toss-up. The next battlefield almost has to be better in terms of movement freedom. I'd probably go concentrate, but you can obviously only put it on one.

Mogri · #**359** 06-26-2013, 12:33 PM

Frankly, you'd have better odds with no accessory than with Cursed Ring, since Elixir has a 100% hit rate and Raise 2 is unavoidable. (Solitayre can attest that these are not the same thing.)

DeeMer · #**360** 06-26-2013, 12:36 PM

If you're looking to increase Break %, the the PA boost from Bracer would be negligible, since it's only a straight addition of PA to success (in this case, 3%). Better to go with something defensive.

Concentrate beats Abandon but Two Swords beats Blade Grasp; you have to pick your poison.