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The Final Fantasy Tactics Autobattle Tournament thread
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#121
06-07-2013, 03:19 PM
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I would almost certainly forbid the use of completely useless abilities (although Defend might actually be worse than no support ability).
Announcement time Signups will be cut off in one week (14 June). If you are not on this list, you are not signed up, or maybe I am dumb and missed your post. Either way, you need to reply!
If we got an even sixteen, well, that would just make my day. I will probably throw my hat in the ring if we don't reach the magic number in time. Until then, feel free to edit your team, but if you do, reply to the thread with your changes. Meanwhile, here's the Mogri-approved guide to counters in Unlimited Doubles. The Mogri-Approved Guide to Counters in Unlimited Doubles Countering offensive strategies Battle Skill: Any source of evasion will prevent Battle Skill from working, unless the user has Concentrate. Maintenance is the only surefire prevention. Math Skill: Minimize your party's Faith (optionally with Talk Skill or Yin-Yang Magic). Reduce the enemy caster's Faith or MA (Battle Skill, Talk Skill, or Yin-Yang Magic). Maximize your M-Ev and absorb Holy. Throw: Evasion, Blade Grasp, and Catch can all prevent Throw. Concentrate will negate evasion. Jump: Blade Grasp is the only way to avoid Jump aside from outspeeding the jumper. Melee: Abandon is countered by Concentrate, and Blade Grasp is countered by Two Swords. The best defense is Escutcheon II combined with Blade Grasp. Hamedo also works if you're lucky enough to be attacked from within your attack range. You can reduce damage against weapon users by removing their weapons. Finally, units wielding knight swords can be dealt with by lowering their Brave. Zodiac: No one is using Zodiac. Lucky you! Draw Out: There is no cure for Draw Out. Countering defensive strategies Abandon and/or Escutcheon II: Concentrate. You can also use Battle Skill to break the appropriate equipment, but it needs to hit. Alternatively, use skills that ignore evasion. Blade Grasp: Lower the opponent's Brave (Talk Skill or Yin-Yang Magic) to lower the proc rate. Use Two Swords to make the second hit pierce Blade Grasp. MP Switch: Lower the opponent's Brave to lower the proc rate. Use multihit attacks, especially Two Swords, since the second attack can't be MP Switched. Chantage: Use status effects, especially Petrify. Steal Accessory. A unit with Ribbon, Chantage, and Maintenance is functionally immune to all of these strategies, so you must resort to killing the Chantage unit last. Healing: Zombie is a hilarious counter that doesn't work on anyone wearing Chantage. (See Chantage on why that's a problem.) Last edited by Mogri; 06-10-2013 at 12:01 PM. |
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#123
06-07-2013, 03:36 PM
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OK, I lied: I'm totally entering. I finally found a team that is both original and satisfactory.
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Deanna Female Ninja 70 Br, 40 Fa Fight for life Throw (Knight Swords) Talk Skill (Threaten, Solution, Death Sentence, Insult, Mimic Daravon) Speed Save Maintenance Move +2 Koga Knife Iga Knife Barette Power Sleeve Chantage Beverly 70 Br, 40 Fa Female Lancer Run like a rabbit Jump Item (Holy Water, Remedy, Elixir) MP Switch Magic Defense Up Move-MP Up Javelin II Escutcheon II Ribbon Robe of Lords Setiemson edit: Code:
------------LIST OF COUNTERGRASP ACTIVATORS-------------
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| ATTACK* Eye Gouge Beaking |
| JUMP Scratch Shine Lover |
| THROW Poison Nail Straight Dash |
| CHARGE Blood Suck** Bite |
| BATTLE SKILL Tentacle (squid) Shake Off |
| Steal Helmet Knife Hand Wave Around |
| Steal Armor Sleep Touch Tentacle (morbol) |
| Steal Weapon Grease Touch Goo |
| Steal Accessry Drain Touch Stab Up |
| Steal Shield Zombie Touch Sudden Cry |
| Gil Taking Snake Carrier Dash (dragon) |
| Choco Attack Wing Attack Tail Swing |
| Tackle Scratch Up Triple Attack |
| Goblin Punch Beak |
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| * Countergrasp reactions (except Blade Grasp) do not |
| work against ATTACKs with magic guns |
| ** Vampire version of 'Blood Suck' only! |
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Last edited by Mogri; 06-14-2013 at 12:47 PM. |
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#124
06-07-2013, 05:06 PM
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Team Wreck-It Rolfe:
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Ralph (Male Lancer) 70 Br, 40 Fa Save fading life Jump Punch Art (Earth Slash, Wave Fist, Chakra, Revive) Martial Arts Hamedo Move +3 Fists Escutcheon II Grand Helmet Reflect Mail Bracer Venellope (Female Ninja) 70 Br, 40 Fa Save fading life Throw (Knight Swords) Elemental Blade Grasp Concentrate Teleport Spell Edge Iga Knife Ribbon Power Sleeve Setiemson Last edited by Elfir; 06-15-2013 at 06:31 AM. |
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#125
06-07-2013, 05:22 PM
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TECHNICALLY, you can't have two Spell Edges. If you just can't get enough status effects, try Zorlin Shape for Sleep; otherwise, go Koga/Iga Blade.
That team is probably fine with "Save fading life," but I would recommend Concentrate over Attack UP on the Ninja. |
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#126
06-07-2013, 05:33 PM
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Forgot about that rule (and wanted to look at equipment lists as little as possible. -_-) Made the suggested changes. I'm curious what will happen when these teams are set loose on each other. I didn't watch any of the first tournament and I think I'll hold off until this one.
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#127
06-07-2013, 05:50 PM
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Well here's a slightly revised set:
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#128
06-07-2013, 05:59 PM
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Okay, I'm gonna enter. This is maybe just a prelim team for the sake of getting in, because I don't really have time to sit down and come up with something that really works right now (I need to check if the AI will actually use Golem), so I might change it entirely by the 14th. I fully expect this team to perform abysmally, but it might be fun to watch anyway. Thanks to Torzelbaum for the amusing idea.
Team Came-back-wrong: Code:
Alpha Leo (Male Knight) 70 Br, 40 Fa Save fading life Battle Skill (Head Break, Weapon Break, Shield Break) Item Damage Split Defense UP Move +3 Chaos Blade Aegis Shield Grand Helm Robe of Lords Angel Ring Code:
Bellatrix (Female Monk) 70 Br, 70 Fa PROT: Alpha Leo Punch Art (Chakra, Stigma Magic, Revive, Earth Slash) Math Skill (Yin-Yang Magic; Zombie, Doubt Faith, Foxbird, Silence Song, Petrify, Paralyze, Sleep) MP Switch Two Swords Move MP Up - - Ribbon Rubber Costume Setiemson JOKE TEAM LOL Last edited by Regulus; 06-26-2013 at 09:40 PM. |
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#131
06-07-2013, 07:58 PM
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#132
06-08-2013, 03:24 AM
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Surely you meant "Move HP Up" for the monks movement ability? That, or you meant "MP Switch" for the reaction ability.
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#133
06-08-2013, 09:10 AM
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Golem cost 40 MP to cast, so the idea was to allow more recasting. The thing that makes Golem so special is that the AI is kinda dumb about wanting to remove it with basic physical attacks even if it has the means to pierce it (many of the best damage options in this format do). But I'm probably going to drop that idea because it's so hard to get the AI to summon it. Monk was a good choice for something like this, because the high HP would have meant better Golems and Innate Martial Arts makes for better Chakra... one of the few skills that you can heal zombies with. So I may keep the monk, but I need to work on its setup.
I'm also thinking about replacing Alpha Leo's Excalibur with Chaos Blade. The haste and Holy absorb effects are difficult to give up, but the regen would be helpful. Turning other units into zombies might be fun to play around with, but I need to take a look at the other teams and see what it will take to get decent success rates out of the Oracle skillset. Chantage on Bellatrix might be a good idea, too, but I don't know that trusting Alpha Leo to stay alive for very long alone is a good idea, because there are a half a dozen things that can kill him outright. |
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#135
06-08-2013, 02:58 PM
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#137
06-08-2013, 11:18 PM
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Yea, if you think the AI is gonna be using Earth Slash a lot, you're better off keeping it's offensive capability high, rather than trying to allow for healing the Thief. You'd probably be better off changing the Thief's outfit, in which case the same optiions still apply, and for the same reasons. A Thief could probably make some use of Secret Clothes, if you were so inclined to use them. Extra speed, plus some initial invisibility, on a unit that fast? Not a terrible option, especially when you've already got Chantage for longevity.
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#138
06-10-2013, 12:42 PM
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More announcement time
We are at sixteen participants. This is a good number. You can still sign up. We can run a tournament with seventeen or eighteen, too. If you are planning to enter, please speak up before Wednesday. You don't have to submit your team until Friday, but if no one announces declaration to enter, I'm going to freeze teams on Wednesday instead so that we can get this show on the road. If you have already entered: Plan for a Wednesday freeze on your teams. As with the first tournament, you will be allowed to revise your team upon entering the loser's bracket. Other than that, no changes will be allowed after the freeze. One more thing... The question was raised upthread about how Fight for life AI would work. Here is the answer. "Fight for life" requires an enemy target, just as "Protect allies" requires an allied target. The target for "Fight for life" will be the enemy with the most aggressive AI. In order of priority:
If both enemies have the same AI setting, then the target will be decided randomly at the start of the battle. This will probably become the standard behavior for this setting in future tournaments. Fair warning I have edited my team since the original post. The Ninja now has "Fight for life" AI and Secret Clothes (from "Save fading life" and Black Costume). Once again, if you wish to change your team, please edit the original post and reply to the thread. |
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#140
06-10-2013, 06:31 PM
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Made some changes: Chaos Blade on Alpha Leo, more defined Battle Skill. Bellatrix was overhauled almost completely and made a little more... thematic, heheh. I'm thinking of swapping the Flame Shield out for an Aegis Shield or dropping the shield entirely for Two Swords, because I'm not sure elemental protection is going to be that useful when everyone who has access to the main elements also has Holy...
I'm open to suggestions. Last edited by Regulus; 06-12-2013 at 02:03 PM. |
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#142
06-10-2013, 09:46 PM
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Edited mine to change Cersei's AI to Save Fading Life and Jaime's to Run Like a Rabbit. We'll see how it goes.
EDIT: Both are Save Fading Life. I'm done now, I swear. Last edited by Gerad; 06-11-2013 at 07:37 PM. |
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#145
06-12-2013, 10:40 AM
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Sorry to mess up your perfect 16 player parity. When I stumbled across videos about this on youtube I really wanted to play.
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#146
06-12-2013, 12:22 PM
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fine, DAD, I guess I'll go with Power Sleeve @reinoe: re: your YouTube comment: Use the link in the first post to view the full final match from the last tournament. I should probably edit the link into the video description or reupload the video or something, but effort |
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06-12-2013, 02:42 PM
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