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The Final Fantasy Tactics Autobattle Tournament thread

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Old 08-07-2013, 12:41 PM
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This is way off-topic, and something no one cares about as much as me, but bear with me.

PrivateJoker beat me because Batman broke through Jaime's Abandon/Escutcheon II. I assumed he had Concentration; this last battle made it clear to me that he doesn't. I went back and looked to see if he got a back attack; no, it was transparent that let Batman wipe me.

The only reason Jaime was in range of a transparent Batman in the first place was Run Like a Rabbit. Of course, my team is designed to have Cersei charge forward, keep getting knocked down, but respond with 600 damage each time, and Jaime stay back and never die.

urrrgh
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:32 PM
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I'm... a little mad that you literally broke my escutcheon on your very first attempt. I literally don't think there's any way I could possibly have made it harder for you to do that, outside of having Maintenance. I'm glad they dragged the battle out though, because fuck giving you an easy victory. The Dynamic Duo doesn't roll like that. Good match, sir. As I suspected would happen, Chantage is the bane of my existence. I'm just surprised it didn't happen sooner.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:34 PM
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This is way off-topic, and something no one cares about as much as me, but bear with me.

PrivateJoker beat me because Batman broke through Jaime's Abandon/Escutcheon II. I assumed he had Concentration; this last battle made it clear to me that he doesn't. I went back and looked to see if he got a back attack; no, it was transparent that let Batman wipe me.

The only reason Jaime was in range of a transparent Batman in the first place was Run Like a Rabbit. Of course, my team is designed to have Cersei charge forward, keep getting knocked down, but respond with 600 damage each time, and Jaime stay back and never die.

urrrgh
Yea dude, you got totally screwed by the AI doing the opposite of what you wanted. I really think the game has Save Fading Life and Run Like a Rabbit mixed up in it's computer head.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:39 PM
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Yea dude, you got totally screwed by the AI doing the opposite of what you wanted. I really think the game has Save Fading Life and Run Like a Rabbit mixed up in it's computer head.
Remember when my dancer had "Run like a rabbit" as her AI? And then she danced her way to the front lines and punched Mogri's monk out?

Good times.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:40 PM
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Hey Mogri - who's this DeeMer guy? And why did you give him my team?

...And Tempest still has the wrong Faith.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:18 PM
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Hey Mogri - who's this DeeMer guy? And why did you give him my team?

...And Tempest still has the wrong Faith.
I Am Good at Tournament.

I just updated Tempest to 40 Faith for real. Fortunately, it makes no difference in this matchup.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:34 PM
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Pretty sure it made her get more hp back from cure spells, though I dunno if it would've been enough for me to secure a kill. I don't think it would have.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:14 AM
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Pretty sure it made her get more hp back from cure spells, though I dunno if it would've been enough for me to secure a kill. I don't think it would have.
It might have meant she just spent a couple of turns Elixiring herself instead of trying anything else.

Per my calculations, with 40 Faith should would have been healed for 250 HP instead of the approximately 450 she had been healed for in the video.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:36 AM
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Wait, it's really that much? 200 hp is... kind of a lot, but it might not have been something that your character would have been concerned with healing by taking a turn to use an elixer. If she had spent a turn using the elixer, that could've been a turn where you weren't, I dunno, breaking all of Robin's equipment? There were probably many times she was sitting at full health, when she wouldn't have with the correct faith setting. I dunno if I ever even brought her to critical health though, so I'm still not certain it would've made a difference. It totally could have, though.

That's kind of a lot of hp that you got as a bonus against me, but you're gonna get to have it changed for the next fight so that you won't take as much magic damage from other people? Seems kind of shitty that you get to have a free buff against me, but no it's cool, because my characters don't deal magic damage. This was... a close as shit fight. That little detail might've made a huge difference.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:00 AM
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I'll run it again if you think it matters. I don't think you stand much of a chance when Torzelbaum can break and you can't. 30 Faith doesn't change the fact that you never targeted the Knight to begin with.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:09 AM
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Except that I actually targetted the knight a bunch of times, and actually did a lot of damage to her. Damage that would've only been healed halfway, but was instead easily healed fully every time the wizard cast Cure3. Batman and Robin can each deal upwards of 400 damage easily, and they did on multiple occassions. When that happened, the wizard would cast Cure3, and fullheal it every time. Maybe with the faith score where it was supposed to be, one of my guys can hit the knight when she's not sitting at full health for once.

It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't such a close fight that I actually almost clutched it out at several moments. I'd be totally happy with the fact that all my victories were under 2 minutes, and all my losses took my opponents 10 minutes to secure. That's cool, my team is clearly badass. I actually think I can still win this though. If I don't win, you don't have to do the best of 3 stuff that you did in the other rematches if you don't wanna record a shitload of long fights. I'll just take my loss and go home.

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Old 08-08-2013, 11:46 AM
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I've actually only done best of three on rematches where there was an upset.

As you wish, then. I'll try to run another recording tonight.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:08 PM
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I'm fine with you running a best of three rematch with the lower/correct Faith.
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:42 AM
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This will be a video in about ten minutes:



It's funny that the first round ends without Cure 3 cast at all. The video raises the question of how much starting positions affect the battle results, and I'd be interested to know if there's been a strong correlation between team position and victor. In any case, the positions are determined randomly for each match, which is as much as I can do.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:01 AM
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Hmm.

If you don't mind, do one battle (that doesn't count, of course) with their positions switched, so that they're as they were in the first round here. You don't have to record it, just say who won. I'm interested in knowing whether or not it would be Batman.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:08 AM
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Umm, how come Robin started that third round with only 479 max hp? His max hp with all his stuff on is 629 or something around there. Is his helmet not loaded, or something? It did get broken in the previous fight, did it somehow not reload him re-equipped? He's also getting hit with spells that can't actually hit him, because his magic evasion is supposed to be 100%. So his shield, which was also broken in the previous fight, was also not re-equipped on him. The wizard never went for so many flares in previous fights, and it's pretty obvious why. She's not supposed to be able to hit them both like that. Her spell useage totally changed based on that, because not being able to hit Robin was detering her from using them, even if she could hit Batman.

It's whatever, I'll just take my loss and go home. It was cool to see that my team can totally beat his team. They just aren't doing it. Robin is too slow for the rushdown to work consistently.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:47 AM
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This will be a video in about ten minutes:

Yes, Tempest does have Concentrate.

Per the FFT BMG break success is determined as follows:
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success% =  (Caster's PA + WP + K) * (evasion factor)

Where K is a command-specific constant:

COMMAND        K      
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Armor Break    40
Head Break     45
Shield Break   55
Weapon Break   30

For the stat breaks, the formula is:
success% =  (Caster's PA + 50) * (evasion factor)
Excalibur is 21 WP, Tempest has 14 PA (I think) and she has Concentrate so that is a 90% chance for her to break shields.
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:59 AM
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Lol, I didn't even realize you had concentrate. That explains so much.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:16 PM
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Today is my fifth anniversary! This is why I have been absent. But here's a video I recorded last week:



It's a good match, so I'll let it speak for itself.

Here's the rest of the tournament:
#29-30: Aeonus, Torzelbaum, Sanagi, Destil
#31: 29 vs. 30
#32: Mogri vs. 31


Gonna try to do the final match this Saturday.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:01 PM
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AI is stupid: When the lancer was on the lower level, the Tiamat aims triple fire at a spot where he has a 1/5 chance of hitting instead of aiming where he'd get a 1/3 chance... And then Yuko exposes her vulnerable back for no reason.

Team Changes: Add Holy Water to Yuko's Item skill. I don't even know if the Zombie user is still around but it can't hurt.
Change Koromaru to Fight For Life. Can't hurt?
Add Move-Luck Up to Koromaru.

There's not much I can do; losing this round put me in a really shitty position to win the tournament. Even supposing I make it to the finals (and If I run up against Destil again that's not likely), I'm gonna have to beat you twice which means I have to get luckier than I was this time, squared.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:22 PM
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What's the vertical range on Triple Bracelet? I thought Aeonus was going to pull it out there with both of Mogri's units lined up at critical health.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:27 PM
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Re: Destil: Battle mechanics guide says 2.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:31 PM
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What's the vertical range on Triple Bracelet? I thought Aeonus was going to pull it out there with both of Mogri's units lined up at critical health.
2. Since the heights in question were 2 and 4... stupid AI!
Edit: bah, ninja'd

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Old 08-13-2013, 09:24 PM
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Honestly, I think I was lucky to make it to this match undefeated. I think there are several teams that could've beaten me handily, and I had the good fortune not to run into any of them.

I wonder how differently this tournament would've gone if Math Skill and Draw Out were both unrestricted.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:06 PM
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I wonder how differently this tournament would've gone if Math Skill and Draw Out were both unrestricted.
*sob*

If you're ever bored, run your team against mine with Save Fading Life on Jaime, I dare you! No need to record, I just want to know. Don't feel obligated to, though.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:16 AM
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Closing in on the finals... I'm going to air the final match this Saturday, but my schedule is pretty open, so I'm happy to go with whatever time works best for the most people (but especially the opponent, if he/she plans on watching). How does 11am PDT sound for people?



While we're deciding that, let's watch more Final Fantasy Tactics. This one's a nailbiter!
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:27 AM
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WHAT? NO! COME ON, YOU HAD HER!


(╯�□�)╯︵ ┻━┻


Using charge time to get two turns off in a row... real clever. And so lucky that both got through MP Switch. I thought I had that in the bag. And I would have, if Yuko hadn't walked away, putting her 4 spaces away from the charging Wizard when she only has 3 Move.

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Old 08-15-2013, 01:11 AM
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I've seen the AI do some dumb things in these tournaments but I think that takes the cake.

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OK.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:29 PM
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This battle has to be extremely gratifying to the winner and really frustrating to the loser.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:05 AM
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After about a minute, I knew it was just a matter of time before it came to that. That fight was won pretty handily.
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