The Final Fantasy Tactics Autobattle Tournament thread

Gerad · #**631** 08-26-2013, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reinoe

As this thread dies down, I want to say thanks to Mogri for running the tourney. As a noob I really appreciated it. And Whaddayaknow! I made it farther than I expected too.

Yeah, I'll echo this. Thanks, Mogri. I'm sure this was tons of work with all the long battles and rematches due to various problems, but I enjoyed it all the way through, even after my team embittered me.

Much appreciated, and I'm glad you got someone else to take the reins for you. I'm looking forward to Destil's turn at the helm.

PrivateJoker · #**632** 10-10-2013, 12:55 AM

So what happened to this? We still doing another round? I know Destil's been busy, but I thought I saw him say somewhere that this would be starting up a week or two ago, but no word since.

What's the status? Even if Destil is still busy, we could still figure out what format we're gonn run, and begin signups. The more time to think about your team, the better.

aturtledoesbite · #**633** 10-10-2013, 01:02 AM

He likely forgot, or his schedule extended longer than he anticipated.

And you saw that in the PFS Discussion thread, I think.

PrivateJoker · #**634** 10-10-2013, 01:07 AM

If he forgot, all the better to remind him

If his schedule just stayed busy longer than expected, we can still do the things like signups, and voting on format, without him. Then when he's ready to start, we'll be ready too.

Destil · #**635** 10-10-2013, 01:39 AM

Last week was pretty bad for me on call. Should be able to work out some test recordings this week or over the weekend.

Mogri · #**636** 10-21-2013, 02:17 AM

Just in time for round three(?):

The ridiculously comprehensive FFT reference guide

Despite being ridiculously comprehensive, it is missing a few things in the Abilities reference.

RSM abilities are largely unsourced, so filtering by source will turn up few to no non-Action abilities. (Affects the Units reference, too.)
Action abilities for special units' secondary skillsets are also unsourced. (For example, Velius has a secondary Summon skillset that includes Lich, Titan, and Cyclops.)
Many abilities are missing their Jp cost.
A few abilities have incorrect formulas. This should just be monster abilities, and I'm working on filling in the gaps.

I mention these not because they're particularly relevant to tournament teambuilding, but because I am hoping to avoid redundant bug reports.

Speaking of bug reports: Yes, this reference guide is attached to a functional multiplayer FFT simulator. Mega Tact is in open alpha, so if you are interested in playing FFT with other people and not afraid of filing the occasional bug report, give it a spin.

PrivateJoker · #**637** 12-04-2013, 02:27 PM

I just realized that this still hasn't happened.

Mogri · #**638** 12-04-2013, 02:35 PM

Yeah, but Mega Tact is in beta now at least, so you can totally get your FFT fix. If you looked at it when I posted that link in October, then you might notice a few changes.

(Now with optional AI-controlled teams, all unit types available, tons of new maps, and other crrrrazy features)

aturtledoesbite · #**639** 12-04-2013, 03:18 PM

So is this still gonna be autobattle or just battle?

(I did not actually look at the link to see if it has co-op, but I assume it does if AI-controlled teams are optional.)

Mogri · #**640** 12-04-2013, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturtledoesbite

So is this still gonna be autobattle or just battle?

(I did not actually look at the link to see if it has co-op, but I assume it does if AI-controlled teams are optional.)

The tournament (Destil willing) would be autobattle. I'm not running a Mega Tact tournament, though I suppose I could if there were sufficient interest. My Mega Tact advertising is completely tangential to the purpose of this thread.

There's no support for co-op in Mega Tact, but you can put four teams onto a single map and pretend you're doing co-op. You can put all, none, or any of the teams under AI control. You can fight yourself, or you can fight an AI-controlled version of yourself. You can fight three AI-controlled versions of yourself, but like I said, there's no co-op support, so they'll be just as happy to beat up on each other as to target you.

You could theoretically run an AI autobattle tournament in Mega Tact, except that it doesn't support multiple AI profiles (Save fading live/Run like a rabbit) and it would be impossible to video, since the game is asynchronous (as opposed to real-time).

Mogri · #**641** 10-06-2014, 02:04 PM

Hey, it's been a while, huh? I wonder if there's interest in another one.

Tournament 3: Little League

What's New
Chapter 1 was a magical time in Final Fantasy Tactics. You were discovering new things, the truly broken abilities were still a lifetime away, and the story had nothing to do with magic rocks.

Everyone is level 10 this time, and equipment selection is limited to what you could find in chapter 1 (with exceptions as noted below).

How it works
Each contestant will put together a team of four characters following the rules below. I'll import your characters into the game and use debug mode to make them fight each other to the death. I'll post the videos on YouTube. (Actually, I'm really hoping someone else will step up to the plate this time, but if not, I'll do it.)

Making a team
All you need to do is come up with a party of four characters. Restrictions follow:

No special characters. You're using a team of generic humans or monsters.
Brave and Faith between 40 and 70. This is the normal range for generics.
All characters are level 10. They will have the maximum possible stats for their level.
No duplicates. Only one copy of each ability per team. Innate abilities do not contribute to this restriction, so you could have, for example, a Ninja with Martial Arts alongside a Monk with Two Swords.
No Zodiac signs. Allowing Zodiac compat gives later entrants an advantage.
No MP Switch + Move-MP Up. You can use either ability, but not both on the same unit.
Math Skill is banned. It would be pretty stupid in this format.
Phoenix Down and Zodiac are banned. The Item skillset is still really good without the game's most broken ability. Revive and Raise are still legal.
Hamedo and Blade Grasp are banned. Abandon is not banned, but it's significantly worse than usual.
Frog, Nameless Dance, and Water Ball are banned. It's very difficult to recover from Frog.
Sing is restricted. Angel Song and Last Song are the only available Sing skills. (Life Song restores 20 HP to all allies three times per round.)
Dance is restricted. Last Dance is the only available Dance skill. (Wiznaibus deals 10 damage to all enemies three times per round.)
Throw is restricted. Sword is the only available Throw skill (throwing 7 WP Mythril Swords instead of 9 WP Battle Axes).
Chapter 1 weapons, armor, and medicine only. Anything you could buy in chapter 1 is fair game.
Chapter 1 monsters only. In case you want to use a monster, you'll have to choose from Chocobo, Bomb, Goblin, Black Goblin, Red Panther, Morbol, and Dragon. (Only monsters that appear as enemies are legal. If I've forgotten a monster that you want to use, let me know.)
Legal accessories are Battle Boots, Defense Armlet, Defense Ring, Diamond Armlet, Feather Boots, N-Kai Armlet, Power Wrist, Rubber Shoes, Small Mantle, and Spike Shoes. Chapter 1 only gives you Battle Boots and Small Mantle, so I've included most of chapter 2's accessories for variety.

In addition to each character's abilities and equipment, you'll need to specify his/her AI. See the general instructions post (second in this thread) for details.

Helpful Tips

There are no ninja swords, katanas, flails, guns, harps, dictionaries, spears, sticks, bags, or fabrics available in chapter 1. Remember, though, that some classes have other options (Ninjas can equip daggers, for instance), and anyone can use Martial Arts.
Draw Out is worthless, since katanas are unavailable. Throw is still fine, but is a bit weaker than usual.
Almost all units have 6 Speed in this format. Mime, Monk, Ninja, and Thief have 7 Speed, while Summoner has 5 Speed.
Because of the low Speed values, slow-cast magic is much more viable, but remember that MP is a limiting factor (60 is about the upper bound for MP). Half of MP, Move-MP Up, and Angel Song are useful ways to extend your spellcasting.
The Sing and Dance skills are also unaffected by unit speed, which is why they're so heavily restricted. Last Song and Last Dance execute in the time it takes a Summoner to get 100 CT.
Status effect resistance is very limited this time around. Time Magic will be very good.
Archers are at their peak in chapter 1, and Charge is actually a viable skillset. You can easily resolve a Charge +5 if you're not killed in the process, which is essentially like attacking with an Ultimus Bow instead of a Silver Bow.
Because of the limited equipment selection, heavy armor compares very favorably to other options, giving you an extra 22 HP compared to clothes with no downsides (unless you needed the MP).
Despite the limited weapon selection, there's a lot to consider. The rods boost a single element, normally-useless daggers can inflict Blind or Silence, and the Night Killer can inflict Sleep. For pure power, you can't beat the Mythril Sword.
The 30 HP restored by Auto-Potion is significant at this level.

Format

Your party will have an unlimited stock (i.e. 99) of every item in the format.
The battleground for all matches will change each round.
Double elimination.

Reference
Mega Tact's Reference section allows you to view just the chapter 1 equipment, plus you can take a look at every unit's stats at level 10.

To enter, reply with your team of four.

Gerad · #**642** 10-06-2014, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

Draw Out is worthless, since katanas are unavailable.

noooooooooooooooooooo

Destil · #**643** 10-06-2014, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

(Actually, I'm really hoping someone else will step up to the plate this time, but if not, I'll do it.)

I'd still like to, but last time I stalled out getting all my test recording stuff working. If I have some time before this starts up I'll see if I can't give it another go.

Destil · #**644** 10-06-2014, 03:34 PM

Can I have a knight with Charge and an Archer if I don't give the archer any actual charge skills?

Mogri · #**645** 10-06-2014, 03:36 PM

Here's my team.

Rules update: After some consideration, I've decided to remove Reflect Ring from the approved accessories list. I had originally put it on my Knight, which would make him way too strong. I also removed the "no duplicate items" clause, which was in there by mistake. Red Hoods for everybody.

Xavier
Male Summoner
70 Br 50 Fa
Run like a rabbit

Summon Magic (Golem)
Sing (Last Song)
Auto-Potion
Magic DefendUP
Fly

Ice Rod
Red Hood
Chain Vest
N-Kai Armlet

Gambit
Male Ninja
70 Br 40 Fa
Save fading life

Throw
Talk Skill (Solution, Mimic Daravon)
Abandon
Equip Shield
Move +2

Mage Masher
Bronze Shield
Chain Vest
Red Hood
Small Mantle

Wolverine
70 Br 40 Fa
Male Knight
Protect allies (Wolverine)

Battle Skill (Magic Break, Speed Break)
Item
Speed Save
Defense UP
Move +3

Mythril Sword
Bronze Shield
Iron Helmet
Chain Mail
Defense Armlet

Cyclops
70 Br 40 Fa
Male Archer
Protect allies (Wolverine)

Charge (+1, +2, +3, +4)
Punch Art (Chakra, Revive, Stigma Magic, Wave Fist, Earth Slash)
Damage Split
Concentrate
Teleport

Silver Bow
Red Hood
Chain Vest
Diamond Armlet

Mogri · #**646** 10-06-2014, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destil

Can I have a knight with Charge and an Archer if I don't give the archer any actual charge skills?

As in earlier tournaments, this is fine.

aturtledoesbite · #**647** 10-06-2014, 04:31 PM

Can we get a refresher course on how submissions are supposed to look?

Mogri · #**648** 10-06-2014, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturtledoesbite

Can we get a refresher course on how submissions are supposed to look?

You can take my team as a template. It doesn't really matter how it's arranged, but I have mine like this:

Code:

Unit name
## Br ## Fa
Gender Job
AI type

Primary skillset
Secondary skillset
Reaction ability
Support ability
Movement ability

Hand
Offhand
Head
Body
Accessory

Repeat x4.

It appears I've neglected to include a support ability for one of my characters, which reminds me: you can freely edit your team before the deadline. (At the moment, there is no deadline.)

Rebelfire · #**649** 10-06-2014, 04:54 PM

Question: it is possible to get red dragons as allies in ch1. Were these intentionally left out, or...?

Mogri · #**650** 10-06-2014, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebelfire

Question: it is possible to get red dragons as allies in ch1. Were these intentionally left out, or...?

Only monsters that appear as enemies during chapter 1 can be used. If Red Dragon fits that description and you can explain where to find one, then yes, they're legal. They'd be pretty scary, but they're Ice-weak, and Rubber Boots neutralizes their brea-- I mean, bracelet attack.

aturtledoesbite · #**651** 10-06-2014, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

Only monsters that appear as enemies during chapter 1 can be used. If Red Dragon fits that description and you can explain where to find one, then yes, they're legal. They'd be pretty scary, but they're Ice-weak, and Rubber Boots neutralizes their brea-- I mean, bracelet attack.

As it turns out, Red Dragons do not specifically appear as enemies. However, Dragons do.

Mogri · #**652** 10-06-2014, 05:02 PM

I think I'd be less inclined to use a Dragon than a Chocobo, personally, but I'll add them to the list.

(edit) Morbols are also available in chapter 1. Less offensive presence, but bulk to rival your best generics plus Lick for Reflect. They'd be my pick for monster if I had to use one (but I think I'd still rather have a Mime, all told).

Destil · #**653** 10-06-2014, 06:10 PM

This party is so bad I had to name them all for the only thing they could do.

Team Badly in need of Ethers.

Code:

HEAL
Female Priest
70 BR 70 FA
Protect BURN
  White Magic
    Raise, Protect, Shell, Esuna, Reraise
  Summon
    Moogle, Golem, Fairy, Shiva, Ifrit, Ramuh, Titan
  Damage Split
  Equip Armor
  Move MP UP
  
  White Staff
  -
  Red Hood
  Chain Mail
  Diamond Armlet

Code:

BURN
Female Wizard
70 BR 70 FA
Protect SING
  Black Magic
   Fire, Fire2, Fire3, Fire4, Flare(yes, it's more than her max MP), Bolt, Bolt2, Bolt3, Ice, Ice2, Ice3
  Time Magic
   Haste, Slow, Stop
  Auto Potion
  Short Charge
  Move HP Up

  Fire Rod
  -
  Red Hood
  Silk Robe
  Battle Boots

Code:

PUNC
Male Geomancer
70 BR 70 FA
Protect SING
  Geomancy
   All (no Water Ball)
  Punch Art
   Charaka, Revive, Stigma Magic, Earth Slash, Wave Fist
  Counter Flood
  Martial Arts
  Fly

  Fist
  Bronze Shield
  Red Hood
  Chain Vest
  Diamond Armlet

Code:

SING
Male Chemist
70 BR 70 FA
Run like a Rabbit
  Item
   Hi-Potion, Eye Drop, Antidote, Echo Grass, Mainden's Kiss, Soft
  Sing
   Angel Song
  MP Switch
  Magic DefendUP
  Teleport

  Blind Knife
  -
  Red Hood
  Chain Vest
  Battle Boots

EDIT1: Added elemental magic to BURN in case of monsters and a team name and juggled around accessories a bit.
EDIT2: Rejiggered HEAL for some offense (she's never going to cast Golem either way if she has any other options).

PrivateJoker · #**654** 10-06-2014, 06:40 PM

Definitely entering this. Will post my team later, or maybe edit it into this post.

EDIT:
here we go

Code:

Little Mac
Male Monk
70 Br 40 Fa
Protect Zelda

Punch Arts (Earth Slash, Chakra, Revive, Stigma Magic)
Steal (Steal Heart)
Auto-Potion
Equip Armor
Move HP up

Punch
Iron Helmet
Chain Mail
Diamond Armlet

Code:

Zelda
Female Geomancer
70 Br 70 Fa
Save Fading Life

Elemental (all legal)
White Magic (Cure, Cure 2, Raise, Esuna)
Counter Flood
Magic Attack Up
Teleport

Mythril Sword
Bronze Shield
Red Hood
Silk Robe
Diamond Armlet

Code:

Ike
Male Knight
70 Br 40 Fa
Save Fading Life

Battle Skill (Speed Break)
Item (All legal)
Counter
2-Swords
Move +3

Mythril Sword
Mythril Sword
Iron Helmet
Chain Mail
Diamond Armlet

Code:

Pikachu
Male Squire
70 Br 40 Fa
Save Fading Life

Basic Skill (Accumulate, Heal)
Jump
Abandon
Magic Defend Up
Move +2

Battle Axe
Bronze Shield
Red Hood
Chain Vest
Small Mantle

Destil · #**655** 10-06-2014, 06:55 PM

Edge needs an accessory, too.

Also you can remove the Power Wrist from the accessory list since Diamond Bracelet is a pure upgrade.

Solitayre · #**656** 10-06-2014, 06:59 PM

Let's dance, mofos.

Wait.. Wiznaibus is banned? You guys never let me have any fun.

Team Sexy Pirate Squad Mk II

Quote:

Meira, Female Dancer
70 Br, 70 Fa
Protect Gethseme

Dance (None)
Steal (Steal Heart)
Equip Sword
MP Switch
Teleport

Mythril Sword
Empty
Red Hood
Chain Vest
Diamond Armlet

Quote:

Valla, Female Ninja
70 Br, 70 Fa
Save Fading Life

Throw (Swords)
Time Magic (Haste)
Sunken State
Attack Up
Move +2

Blind Knife
Mage Masher
Red Hood
Chain Vest
Diamond Armlet

Quote:

Gethseme, Female Oracle
70 Br, 70 Fa
Protect Valla

Yin Yang Magic: Drain Health, Petrify, Sleep
White Magic: Cure 2, Raise, Esuna, Regen, Protect, Shell
Short Charge
Damage Split
Move MP Up

Thunder Rod

Red Hood
Silk Robe
Diamond Armlet

Quote:

Serennia, Female Geomancer
70 Br, 70 Fa
Protect Valla

Elemental (All)
Punch Art (Chakra, Revive, Stigma Magic)
MagicAttackUp
Counter Flood
MoveHP Up

Mythril Sword
Bronze Shield
Red Hood
Chain Vest
Diamond Armlet

Mogri · #**657** 10-06-2014, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destil

Edge needs an accessory, too.

Also you can remove the Power Wrist from the accessory list since Diamond Bracelet is a pure upgrade.

Yeah, I knew that when I put it there. Maybe someone really doesn't want to be immune to Slow, though -- who am I to stop them?

Edge gets the Small Mantle for more Abandon times.

PrivateJoker · #**658** 10-06-2014, 07:36 PM

Question. Does 2-Handed improve Jump damage? If not, does Attack Up?

I feel like this may have been asked before, but I don't think I have ever seen an answer. I certainly can't find the answer anywhere.

Gerad · #**659** 10-06-2014, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateJoker

Question. Does 2-Handed improve Jump damage? If not, does Attack Up?

I feel like this may have been asked before, but I don't think I have ever seen an answer. I certainly can't find the answer anywhere.

Neither do. No spears will hurt as well.

FFT Battle Mechanics Guide is my go-to for stuff like this.

PrivateJoker · #**660** 10-06-2014, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerad

Neither do. No spears will hurt as well.

FFT Battle Mechanics Guide is my go-to for stuff like this.

i've tried looking in that guide for the answer to this, and I couldn't find it. Maybe I just don't know how to read that shit, but I know i've looked at the dmg formula for Jump and couldn't find a definitive answer to whether or not Attackup or 2-handed applied to it.