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Old 11-12-2009, 01:10 PM
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Wouldn't that be Thor rather than Odin?

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The thing about them (though I can't speak for the original - only know of the patches, sadly) is that they're abilities stop with very small elevation changes and don't hit allies. In the right spot, an enemy can be hit multiple times easily, which is why I want to see them.
That's the patches I think. In the original they have large vertical tolerance (3) and do hit allies.
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Old 11-12-2009, 01:19 PM
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There ya go. I know for certain at least that they don't hit allies in the patches, which is what makes them good. Ever seen a Sky Dragon hit an enemy three-four times? Beautiful.
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:22 PM
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Wouldn't that be Thor rather than Odin?
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Could someone outline all the changes to Rafa and Malak that WotL made?

On a slightly related note, I think if you removed Cid, there wouldn`t be any hate for any character; he just raises the bar too high.

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Old 11-12-2009, 11:50 PM
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If you let TG raise the bar like that you won't have anyone else left. (aside from generics you've build and optimized over 30 hours to the point of being able to unmake gods with a wave of their hands). Not that you'd need anyone, I should try letting him solo everything after he joins sometime...

Balthier gets close in WotL, mostly because his speed is fantastic, but not quite there.Of course, he makes up for it by being Balthier

Rafa and Malak are different (and interesting! I love how most characters hate uneven ground, but they thrive on it), which has earned them the eternal enmity of the gaming population.
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:07 AM
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Without Orlandu, Meliadoul would seem broken. I would still hate Malak's ability set, though. Perhaps more importantly, Mel and Mal both have ugly-looking sprites. Malak is wearing poofy pajamas, and I don't even know what's going on with Meliadoul's outfit, but it looks uncomfortable.
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Old 11-13-2009, 09:33 AM
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Without Orlandu, Meliadoul would seem broken.
There's a Mighty Sword pun in there somewhere, but I won't be the one to make it. Though I was sad that the PSP version gave the Mighty Sword skills very boring names.

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Perhaps more importantly, Mel and Mal both have ugly-looking sprites. Malak is wearing poofy pajamas, and I don't even know what's going on with Meliadoul's outfit, but it looks uncomfortable.
Hey, she's a green and gold Darth Vader --a floor-length hooded Church robe concealing knight's armor. In a genre where even armored women are all but exposed to the elements, her design makes sense and makes her look awesome.
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Old 11-13-2009, 09:50 AM
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I like Meliadoul's design. I'd even use her if her abilities worked against enemies without equipment (for example, all monsters everywhere).
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Old 11-13-2009, 10:02 AM
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I don't even know what's going on with Meliadoul's outfit, but it looks uncomfortable.
I'm actually a fan of her design. It mirrors the rest of her family, and I dunno. I think that's neat. Her skill set is VERY powerful too, except for it's obvious vulnerability against monsters. But of course, T.G. Cid joins first...

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Old 11-13-2009, 10:12 AM
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I like Meliadoul's design. I'd even use her if her abilities worked against enemies without equipment (for example, all monsters everywhere).
In the PSP version, Unyielding Blade can deal damage (heavy damage) if the enemy is missing the appropriate equipment!
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Old 11-13-2009, 01:35 PM
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I also love Meliadoul's design. I always thought it was funny that she could use spears and crossbows despite needing swords to use Mighty Sword.

Poor poor Malak.
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Old 11-14-2009, 01:22 PM
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http://www.gamespite.net/talkingtime...&postcount=131

The second image, especially, lets you know what's going on with her outfit. Awesome, that's what.

The divine knight in my pen and paper Ivilace game had the same sort of armor (black cloak and silver plate, though). We had come to the conclusion that it was pretty much standard issue for the class...
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:32 PM
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How did this dev team go from Meliadoul, Rafa and Agrias to Fran and Ashe?
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:49 PM
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It probably has something everything to do with FFXII being a main Final Fantasy title and having to appeal to a wider Japanese demographic. The same reason why Basch wasn't the main character like he was planned to be, essentially.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:04 PM
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The second image, especially, lets you know what's going on with her outfit. Awesome, that's what.
I think Meliadoul would look pretty awesome with a more detailed, hi-res sprite.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:12 PM
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I like Bards, they look neat. (Dancers are better)
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:05 PM
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How did this dev team go from Meliadoul, Rafa and Agrias to Fran and Ashe?
I thought the same thing while playing FF12.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:19 PM
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That's because Cloud is a hassle to bring up to speed, for very little return, and Mel... well, the LP will surely mention it when the time comes, but Mel could have been useful if she had joined up before another, more versatile character.
He takes forever to level up, true, but Cloud may very well be my favourite combat special in the game. Finish Touch is insanely powerful in the right hands, either killing an enemy outright or turning them into lock-on bait for any spellcasters in your party, and Short Charge turns Meteorain into a powerful wide-range alternative when those statuses just won't stick. Omnislash and Cherry Blossom are still too slow to use, of course, but who needs them when they're just overkill?

Meliadoul is pretty rad too, thanks to how effectively she neuters human enemies (and monster too, in WotL), but there's no denying that Mr. Thunder God outclasses her in every way imaginable.

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Old 11-16-2009, 07:16 PM
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So, has anyone ever hacked this to get an Arc-Knight in their party? I believe you only one them once, but they're the other side of the 'Super Knight' from what he can do: ability breaks instead of equipment.

A wide area Speed Break at range with no CT sounds like a real wrecking ball, and it can actually make one of the later boss fights a bit hard (assuming you don't kill him on the first round, which usually is what happens).
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:21 PM
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A wide area Speed Break at range with no CT sounds like a real wrecking ball, and it can actually make one of the later boss fights a bit hard (assuming you don't kill him on the first round, which usually is what happens).
If I ever get the chance to take my Gameshark for a test drive on FFT again, Zalbag is the very first character I'm gonna hack in for that very reason. Next will be Lede, because fuck yeah assassins. Aaaand probably Gafgarion too.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:14 PM
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He takes forever to level up, true, but Cloud may very well be my favourite combat special in the game.
I don't want to get into details (and would appreciate it if people let me make the big reveal when he appears in this LP; I figure 2014), but Cloud is one of the best characters in the game... and I think you guys will be very amused when you discover why...

Also, I see a few faces here who haven't put in there votes for what monsters they'd like to see used in this LP. Vote or die (in obscurity)!

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Old 11-16-2009, 09:22 PM
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I don't want to get into details (and would appreciate it if people let me make the big reveal when he appears in this LP; I figure 2014)
Sorry.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:31 PM
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Omnislash and Cherry Blossom are still too slow to use, of course, but who needs them when they're just overkill?
There's also the complete lack of vertical tolerance and target locking to consider. Cross Slash and Finish Touch are the only Limit skills I'd bother with.

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A wide area Speed Break at range with no CT sounds like a real wrecking ball, and it can actually make one of the later boss fights a bit hard (assuming you don't kill him on the first round, which usually is what happens).
That would obsolete Cid. Seriously. I think either Arc Knight would, but especially that one. He's overrated anyway.
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:22 AM
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Sorry.
Oh don't worry, you didn't mention his most attractive feature.

- Eddie
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:24 AM
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How did this dev team go from Meliadoul, Rafa and Agrias to Fran and Ashe?
They tried to take a shortcut through Lea Monde and made a wrong turn at Spira.

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A wide area Speed Break at range with no CT sounds like a real wrecking ball, and it can actually make one of the later boss fights a bit hard (assuming you don't kill him on the first round, which usually is what happens).
Speed Ruin has charge time (34 speed). Still ridiculous of course.

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Oh don't worry, you didn't mention his most attractive feature.

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Oh God, I know what this is...

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Old 11-17-2009, 10:08 AM
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Oh don't worry, you didn't mention his most attractive feature.
At any rate, an amazing penis?
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:15 AM
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At any rate, an amazing penis?
No no GOLGOrand Execution Site is two battles away.

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Old 11-17-2009, 04:52 PM
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Oh God, I know what this is...
I do too.

I was about to mention it when Pappy brought Cloud up, but I guess I'm glad I stopped now.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:21 PM
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Agents of H.A.T.E.:
  1. Hydra
  2. Dryad
  3. Cockatrice
Johnny!
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:50 PM
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Oh God, I know what this is...
Ohh man, I totally forgot about that part. I can't wait for the big reveal.
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Old 11-18-2009, 03:00 PM
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Oooh! Oooh! I know what the best thing about Cloud is! It's something that Eddie would have my head for spoiling, so I can't say it yet. Of course, he probably deserves it after GOLGOrand pun, because I mean really, that was terrible. But hey, don't the new spoiler tags look nice? Way to go Matchstick.

But hey, let's see if we can get a troupe of Bards and Dancers to win the battle at the the Execution Site.
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