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To Infinity and Beyond: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
Finished what I wanted to watch of the X-Men films yesterday. I like First Class, Days of Future Past (even if it's kind of a mess, and the so-called "Rogue Cut" that I watched was pretty pointless), and Logan, and all the rest are kinda... bad. The Wolverine (which I'd also never seen before this watchthrough) was weird as hell, didn't even feel like a X-Men movie. I skipped Apocalypse because I remember it being dumb, and have no interest in rewatching Dark Phoenix because I remember that one being even worse. I watched both Deadpool movies a few weeks ago and those are probably my favorites of this whole dumb series, mostly because they take the piss out of it.

The X-Men! I hope Feige does better with them.
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
You know what I'd like to see? A movie about The Sentry, and to be true to the original comic, it's marketed as a sequel. So there'd be interviews with the actors and director saying "as you know, in the previous Sentry movie..."
"Gaslight: The Movie" would be absolutely perfect for this day and age, but I do wonder how confused non-comics fans would be.

It'd also be awesome if the production really committed to the bit and created Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB pages for the nonexistent, er, Sentry entries.
 

BEAT

LOUDSKULL
(DUDE/BRO)
Marvel Movies I actually want to see:

NEXTWAVE
Complete with extended sequence of everyone beating the holy shit out of a cop.

THAT DOCTOR STRANGE THING
But REALLY lean into the acid trip otherworldly shit that goes way the hell out of it's way to be weird and uncomfortable. Like, 20 full minutes of Benedict Cumberbach dragging himself across a barren wasteland beneath a horrible alien sky. Come on Sam Rami help me out here.

A CRIME MOVIE THAT JUST HAPPENS TO TAKE PLACE IN SUPERHERO WORLD
I have this idea about a movie about a small-time criminal who signs up with some other crooks for a score that goes horribly wrong, only to realize the thing they were stealing was a COOL ROCK resulting in him desperately searching for ways to get Captain Marvel's attention so they can take this horrible thing he wants nothing to do with off his hands. Bonus points if they include a scene where he apologetically beats the shit out of spider man/daredevil/ any of those NYC Asshole heroes.

I guess also you could make him secretly a mutant or whatever if you absolutely must

seriously how have they not already made this movie yet?

Don't say They did it was called Ant Man. Ant Man wasn't a crime movie.
 

BEAT

LOUDSKULL
(DUDE/BRO)
Basically I am at the point in the Media Engagement Cycle where I'm totally over marvel, and will only check out their movies if they look like they're just gonna go balls to the wall with weird shit that you can't really turn into Happy Meals Toys or coloring books.
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
Oh, Kang, that's neat, I guess if they're not doing Doom he's the next best--

WAIT he's the villain in Ant-Man 3?! Holy shit!

Basically I am at the point in the Media Engagement Cycle where I'm totally over marvel, and will only check out their movies if they look like they're just gonna go balls to the wall with weird shit that you can't really turn into Happy Meals Toys or coloring books.
Honestly, it feels like everyone is at this stage. The last entry was a year and a half ago and the pandemic pushed the followup projects back so hard that it feels like the whole thing just... ended. And as much as I'd love to see the really psychedelic Dr. Strange and Jane-Thor stuff they announced, I'd be fine if the whole venture did end at Endgame.
 
The only big Kang/Immortus stories I've read were Busiek's Avengers run and his contemporaneous Avengers Forever mini, but that seems like a very natural choice if they want to do a long slow buildup to something again. Hopefully this isn't a Thor 2 situation where they introduce a great villain as a one-off to be jobbed and forgotten.

Also, great casting.

edit: Now that I think about it, I guess Young Avengers (<--a series over a decade old) was also a Kang story, huh. Forgot about that. Something like that honestly could be a good route to take. (Should I even bother with a spoiler here? Hmmm.)
 
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Honestly, it feels like everyone is at this stage. The last entry was a year and a half ago and the pandemic pushed the followup projects back so hard that it feels like the whole thing just... ended. And as much as I'd love to see the really psychedelic Dr. Strange and Jane-Thor stuff they announced, I'd be fine if the whole venture did end at Endgame.
There was a Spider-Man sequel last July.

I will still keep seeing them... my short time on this Earth is not that precious.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
After time travel was the solution to the big problem in the last Avengers storyline, I don't expect Kang to be a major character past this movie. Ant-Man vs. Kang sounds fun, though.
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
Since it's just a casting announcement, it may well be just a minor appearance or a "mastermind behind the central antagonist" kind of thing, like Thanos was for the first Avengers film. Then again, he could reopen the possibility of the Microverse that Ant-Man teased us with but didn't follow through in & The Wasp.

There was a Spider-Man sequel last July.
I... huh. Yeah. I even referred to that movie earlier in the thread. Weird that it didn't make a lasting impact on me beyond Tony's long shadow on Peter's story.
 

BEAT

LOUDSKULL
(DUDE/BRO)
I mean, I'd rather not considering what we know about Warren Ellis now and that comic is extremely told in his voice.
Ah shit, I forgot. Yeah that was him.

Okay then, some OTHER group of Z-tier loser heroes getting into dumbass shenanigans, in which a cop gets super fucked up.
 

Olli

atomic
(he/him)
Kang is one of the biggest Avengers villains (along with Ultron), so it'd be shame to Malekith him.
 
Okay then, some OTHER group of Z-tier loser heroes getting into dumbass shenanigans.
I re-read NextWAVE not that long ago but before the big Ellis accusations broke, and I found it really did not hold up at all. One big reason is precisely that he treats good/interesting/fun characters like Z-tier losers and does it in a really thoughtless way. The particular edginess in it is extremely of its time. There's a good bit of Al Ewing's run on Avengers where the villain is basically Warren Ellis, and Monica Rambeau gets to fight back against the way NextWAVE handled its characters.



(The thing about Ellis' work is that it is not always like this. He definitely has a "phoning-it-in" mode like for NextWAVE, and an "I care about this" mode for stuff like Planetary or the recent Wild Storm relaunch project.)
 
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Preemptively because I could see it coming up as a counter argument, I don't necessarily think that Ewing was intentionally taking a shot at Ellis here. Maybe he even still likes NextWAVE!

I re-read NextWAVE precisely because I heard that Ewing's Avengers brought it into continuity somehow and wanted a refresher. And mostly I found it was just cruel and bad. In particular, I remember thinking Ellis killing Monica Rambeau's mom off panel for a cheap one-panel gag standing out to me, so I appreciated this being the specific reference Ewing pulls as an example of the way it treated its characters as disposable.

So, even if Ewing personally would stand up for NextWAVE (no idea), I do think this villain and Ewing's approach to characters in his own work do in practice serves as a critique of NextWAVE, intended or not. Ewing is a great model for how to take obscure characters and have ridiculous adventures with them, especially in comparison to NextWAVE.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
Ellis might have been more cavalier about that kind of thing since the story was NOT explicitly canonical when he was writing it
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
Which Avengers run is that page from? I’d have assumed Ultimates, since it looks to be in character for them, but neither they nor Mighty Avengers dealt with Beyond Corporation.
 
Which Avengers run is that page from? I’d have assumed Ultimates, since it looks to be in character for them, but neither they nor Mighty Avengers dealt with Beyond Corporation.
Ewing's New Avengers!

It's between his Mighty Avengers and USAvengers. It's good!

Ellis might have been more cavalier about that kind of thing since the story was NOT explicitly canonical when he was writing it
I think this is right, but my personal issue is not that it ruined continuity (it's a Marvel comic, that could be fixed/ignored/etc) but that I didn't find its approach to be very entertaining anymore.
 
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