Agents of SHIELD managed to ignore that half of all life disappeared for five years so I'm not too worried about it
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To Infinity and Beyond: The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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I would take this as a sign that Marvel Studios going forward is going to cherrypick what remains as MCU canon from the ABC and Netflix shows (e.g. James D'Arcy's Jarvis in Endgame) and disregard the rest.
Yeah, that was good.
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
I wasn't a fan of that ending at all. It wasn't interested in exploring the ramifications of what Wanda did in the slightest (and "it was by accident, sorry" doesn't cut it for an excuse). Half of these people will have had to live with the snap already, now they've been forced to dance around as Wanda's meat puppets for god knows how long. They were aware of being controlled so there's trauma there, the kids had to live with being stashed away because they were apparently inconvenient to Wanda's plot, and we're meant to be sorry that Wanda had to give up her kids who were functionally a dream over the many more kids who were actually real? What happened to Wanda is sad, but that doesn't give her carte blanche for villainy. She carried it on long after she knew what she'd done.
It seems to me that the entire human race is the MCU's girlfriend, ready to be stuffed in the fridge at a moment's notice, with no moral weight beyond a plot point.
Also, why the hell did Heyward get arrested? I know we don't like him, but legally, what did he do wrong? He didn't enslave an entire town and the person who did that got off scott free
It seems to me that the entire human race is the MCU's girlfriend, ready to be stuffed in the fridge at a moment's notice, with no moral weight beyond a plot point.
Also, why the hell did Heyward get arrested? I know we don't like him, but legally, what did he do wrong? He didn't enslave an entire town and the person who did that got off scott free
Agree about the latter point, Phantoon. Kind of turned on Jimmy Woo when he was giving a credulous defense of Wanda a few episodes ago that would be largely vindicated by the narrative bc she’s the main character. But weirdly, it wasn’t vindicated, our heroes just acted like it was?
Bittersweet ending, which I quite liked! Count me among those disappointed Evan Peters wasn’t X-Quicksilver. Just felt like a less exciting gimmick, although I’m happy to see him. Also, don’t think Agatha got much interesting to do after her villainy was revealed. “Give me your power!” “No
. “ She really didn’t have much of a scheme. At any rate, doesn’t really detract from how I liked Wanda having to give up her constructed family.
Bittersweet ending, which I quite liked! Count me among those disappointed Evan Peters wasn’t X-Quicksilver. Just felt like a less exciting gimmick, although I’m happy to see him. Also, don’t think Agatha got much interesting to do after her villainy was revealed. “Give me your power!” “No
. “ She really didn’t have much of a scheme. At any rate, doesn’t really detract from how I liked Wanda having to give up her constructed family. 
Sprite
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I don’t know, I definitely agree that the show is expressing a BS sentiment, but I’m pretty okay with how things shook out?
I’m not sure what would be a satisfying consequence here. There is no making right what Wanda did, no possible apology or action which would remove these people’s very justifiable hatred of her. The closest she can get is putting things back how they were and leaving the wreckage behind.
I find it all very compelling and relatable, having dealt with mental illness in myself and others, watching our lives implode and all the collateral damage that results, then waking up one day and realizing that everything’s fucked, it’s your fault, and now you have to deal with it. But you put off dealing with it, because facing it is too terrifying and painful, and some of those wrongs can never be made right.
And it’s a huge shame that the show is sooo close to getting it right, if not for a few lines that try to make excuses for something there’s no excuse for. The MCU did a story where we follow the villain, and short-circuited as a result. But it also gets closer to capturing that terrifying feeling than almost any media I can think of.
I find it all very compelling and relatable, having dealt with mental illness in myself and others, watching our lives implode and all the collateral damage that results, then waking up one day and realizing that everything’s fucked, it’s your fault, and now you have to deal with it. But you put off dealing with it, because facing it is too terrifying and painful, and some of those wrongs can never be made right.
And it’s a huge shame that the show is sooo close to getting it right, if not for a few lines that try to make excuses for something there’s no excuse for. The MCU did a story where we follow the villain, and short-circuited as a result. But it also gets closer to capturing that terrifying feeling than almost any media I can think of.
I largely agree with all that; I just think it’s unjust that this guy should go to prison for not realizing Wanda was the protagonist of reality.
Off camera, he was stealing radios out of cars
Sprite
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He definitely was in the right for trying to neutralize Wanda, though exhuming someone and resurrecting them as a mechanized organism designed only for killing is a very bad thing that makes him a bad man. Though yeah I have no idea what he actually got arrested for, everything in his grand villain speech seemed like it would have been on the books.
I don't want to be a grump, but I found the show progressively less interesting as it went on and found the ending kind of numbing. Near episode 3 or so I was ready for it to give me something other than the sitcom homages, but once it did, it seemed like it didn't really have another card to play. Part of it might be exacerbated by the effusive praise I've seen it getting, which to me didn't seem to reflect the "pretty good" show I was watching.
Hayward was trying to destroy Westview with a missile before he got White Vision up and running, and I feel like there's got to be some kind of law about discouraging that kind of behavior, somewhere.
Hayward falsified evidence and gave attack orders that endangered civilians before really understanding what was going on. I'm fine with him going to jail.
I'm agree with the criticisms of not enjoying Wanda flying off w/o any accountability or attempt at penance. But I'm not as upset about it because that's been the standard operating procedure of the MCU from the very beginning. Tony Stark definitely should have ended up in jail at least a few times, but instead he's Marvel's messiah. And broadly, Marvel and cape comics in general haven't cared about The Little Guy for forever, so it's just kinda the cost of doing business/enjoying these movies to me. Like, broadly speaking, almost all these super heroes are vigilantes that are not beholden to anyone and take the law into their own hands, and that's intensely problematic when you think about it.
On the flipside, I very much appreciate that they flipped the trope of the angry mob out to get the witch on its head. Killing Wanda with empathy and kindness was a good move.
I'm agree with the criticisms of not enjoying Wanda flying off w/o any accountability or attempt at penance. But I'm not as upset about it because that's been the standard operating procedure of the MCU from the very beginning. Tony Stark definitely should have ended up in jail at least a few times, but instead he's Marvel's messiah. And broadly, Marvel and cape comics in general haven't cared about The Little Guy for forever, so it's just kinda the cost of doing business/enjoying these movies to me. Like, broadly speaking, almost all these super heroes are vigilantes that are not beholden to anyone and take the law into their own hands, and that's intensely problematic when you think about it.
On the flipside, I very much appreciate that they flipped the trope of the angry mob out to get the witch on its head. Killing Wanda with empathy and kindness was a good move.
chady
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I thought it was odd that Heyward told his whole team that Wanda broke in and stole Visions corpse, and showed them doctored video, but then later he shows up with new Vision and no one really questions it. So how many of them were in on it? Was that video purely for Monica/Jimmy/the audience? Were his underlings just like, "oh, I guess he was lying then, but no big deal let's kill this witch?"
I enjoyed the show, but so many of the characters' motivations and choices become strange in retrospect, because they wanted to shove every single thing into the mystery box and parcel out the answers for dramatic effect.
I enjoyed the show, but so many of the characters' motivations and choices become strange in retrospect, because they wanted to shove every single thing into the mystery box and parcel out the answers for dramatic effect.
I enjoyed it less as it went on (and am glad I didn't pay for Disney+), but this was fun enough. The performances were really good, at least (Elizabeth Olsen especially - she's fantastic).
I've never read a comic so I don't know who Wanda's kids were, but the show never convinced me to care about them at all. Are they real? The post credits stinger seems to imply that they... might be? Also where did unpainted minifig Vision go? And where did he come from? How did Hayward create him without the mind stone?
The most meta/disturbing moment of the show for me was watching Kitty Forman beg Wanda to kill her. Debra Jo Rupp was by leaps and bounds the best part of That 70s Show, so seeing her play a similar role here with a dark twist was strange.
I know this is very fannish of me, but I'm kind of disappointed that Pietro isn't somehow the same character from the X-Men movies. Call me cynical but that actor's presence just seemed like a marketing ploy to me (a successful one, mind you). I did laugh at the boner joke, though lol
I'll probably check out the other Marvel shows, this was better than I thought it was going to be.
I've never read a comic so I don't know who Wanda's kids were, but the show never convinced me to care about them at all. Are they real? The post credits stinger seems to imply that they... might be? Also where did unpainted minifig Vision go? And where did he come from? How did Hayward create him without the mind stone?
The most meta/disturbing moment of the show for me was watching Kitty Forman beg Wanda to kill her. Debra Jo Rupp was by leaps and bounds the best part of That 70s Show, so seeing her play a similar role here with a dark twist was strange.
I know this is very fannish of me, but I'm kind of disappointed that Pietro isn't somehow the same character from the X-Men movies. Call me cynical but that actor's presence just seemed like a marketing ploy to me (a successful one, mind you). I did laugh at the boner joke, though lol
I'll probably check out the other Marvel shows, this was better than I thought it was going to be.
If you wanna know about the kids (comics/other MCU stuff spoilers)
Yeah, they’re real and I think they have a pretty similar origin in the comics. They become Young Avengers and that’s likely an upcoming MCU property, per comic creator hints and the fact that other YA characters are in upcoming projects.
Yeah, they’re real and I think they have a pretty similar origin in the comics. They become Young Avengers and that’s likely an upcoming MCU property, per comic creator hints and the fact that other YA characters are in upcoming projects.
Billy, in particular, may be my single favourite gay superhero. Certainly on the short list at the very least. I’m sure Tommy is fine too, but I don’t care about him so w/e.
And Hayward mentions that he couldn’t activate White Vision until it got exposed to Wandas Hex Power, presumably because it’s chock full of Mind Stone juice
And Hayward mentions that he couldn’t activate White Vision until it got exposed to Wandas Hex Power, presumably because it’s chock full of Mind Stone juice
Oh - clearly I missed something - so within Vision's corpse, there was still elements of the Mind Stone, then? What you (and I hope the MCU) call Mind Stone juice? My eyes must have just been glazing over for those scenes. We did binge watch this today and yesterday so maybe that's why I missed it lol
Probably Not the stone itself, since that was removed from his head and would be impossible to rebuild, though I don’t think they mentioned where that version of it went after Thanos was defeated, but the crystal White Vision had must have acted like a battery since it required Mind Juice to start working at all
Add me to the list of people that felt like the ending was just ok. I had the same feelings as many of what you all have already expressed.
Having said that, WandaVision gets credit for being interesting enough to get me to tune in to a new TV show every week. I watch so little new TV shows, that I can't say that about really any show recently. It was a show designed to build hype from discussions online and didn't outlive its usefulness. In the end, sometimes the answers the show gives to the big mysteries end up less than the crazy ideas we dreamed up while we waited, but the fun of waiting to see what happens next each week was worth it to me.
Having said that, WandaVision gets credit for being interesting enough to get me to tune in to a new TV show every week. I watch so little new TV shows, that I can't say that about really any show recently. It was a show designed to build hype from discussions online and didn't outlive its usefulness. In the end, sometimes the answers the show gives to the big mysteries end up less than the crazy ideas we dreamed up while we waited, but the fun of waiting to see what happens next each week was worth it to me.
One small detail about the finale that nobody seems to have mentioned; while it didn’t have a fake commercial break, Agatha was prominently positioned in front of a billboard for a surface cleaner that “Harnesses all the Power of the Earth”
That could be another reference to The Nexus of All Reality in relation to Man-Thing (and not Howard the Duck, because Feige is a coward) but since we’re all speculating anyway, maybe it’s Starbrand?
Let’s say Starbrand.
That could be another reference to The Nexus of All Reality in relation to Man-Thing (and not Howard the Duck, because Feige is a coward) but since we’re all speculating anyway, maybe it’s Starbrand?
Let’s say Starbrand.
Do we know whether Howard survived the endgame battle, though
Because if he did and hasn't met, well, anyone, I'm gonna start taking names
Nobody is angrier about it than him, I’m sure
OTOH, it would be hilarious if he DID survive, but got stuck on Earth because he didn't take the right portal in time, and that's gonna be a new Disney+ series.
Oh my dog, yes.
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