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Face Front, True Believers! A Marvel Comics Thread

Jeanie

(Fem or Gender Neutral)
Yeah, but that Mini wasn't written by Dan Slott so he's going to chuck that whole dang thing right into the trash. In fact he had Xavier show up just to say that Franklin was never a mutant and that Cerebro has never seen him as one, also don't call us, we'll call you.
 
That seems inconvenient, given that him being a mutant was the central point of the very recent X-Men vs. Fantastic Four miniseries.

I saw the panel posted somewhere out of context (edit: summarized above by Jeanie) , and I think this is supposed to be the next part of that story. I don't think it's a very interesting place to take it, though. That status quo at the end of the mini seems more interesting than this.

I do wonder what behind the scenes wrangling brought it to this point. A good conflict set up in House of X/Dawn of X, a not that well executed mini but that at least set up an interesting potential status quo to be explored, and then . . . they just drop it.

Yeah, but that mini was only enjoyable for Doom anyway

I thought Valeria was fun, too, although that's admittedly basically just an extension of what you're saying.
 
I remember when weird retcons to un-mutant or un-X-Line someone (in the cast of Wanda/Pietro not not not not not being Magneto's children) would get attributed to theories about MCU rights issues, but they're still doing it so for some reason so . . . I guess they just think this is a compelling plotline for some reason?
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
Thinking about Maury Povich doing a special series

Franklin Richards... you are NOT a mutant.

*Crowd goes wild*
 
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Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
 
Everyone who was once considered a mutant should always be one. How dare they not be! Somewhat related, it's not interesting or satisfying to follow a character who once had superpowers now have to deal with losing them. (M-Day poisoned this well for me) Do not like but do not care as much about making characters become less powerful. You can just say they aren't easily solving their problems due to incompetence/foolishness. Ultimately, the important thing is not how good or bad a superhero comic character's powers are; only that they have some. One. Whatever.
 
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I liked that story with Storm . . . and that's pretty much it.

Maybe the secret to telling that story is that the character in questions needs to get a mohawk. (It also helps when they're basically still the protagonist, because if not it tends to just be an excuse to write the character out, either intentionally or just because they have no ideas but also don't want to reverse it.)
 

Octopus Prime

Jingle Device
(He/Him)
I did like the conceit that Franklin still has Undefinably Vast, Godlike Reality Warping Power, it's just that his well is running dry and he kind of wasted it by recreating a multiverse, which was almost immediately completely destroyed by a Cthulhu-lady.

I don't like much else about Franklin and feel like he wastes valuable page-space that could be better spent on Val and Doom
 

gogglebob

The Goggles Do Nothing
(he/him)
Everyone who was once considered a mutant should always be one. How dare they not be! Somewhat related, it's not interesting or satisfying to follow a character who once had superpowers now have to deal with losing them. (M-Day poisoned this well for me) Do not like but do not care as much about making characters become less powerful. You can just say they aren't easily solving their problems due to incompetence/foolishness. Ultimately, the important thing is not how good or bad a superhero comic character's powers are; only that they have some. One. Whatever.

I liked some aspects of M-Day with the more "mundane" mutants who weren't really superheroes, but more "street level" dealing with suddenly not having some power they were very used to having. That said, if you ever want me to stop reading/watching some manner of Superman media, go ahead and de-power him for longer than the span of one fight. I never, ever want to see Clark Kent have "wacky" problems with getting a papercut or whatever as they have to show he's human for a week while the basic moral seems to be that being mortal sucks. I know! I get it! I passed out from stapling my finger once, too! I don't need to be reminded!

Err... anyway. I'm pretty sure there's an interesting story about someone who was born with superpowers in a superpowered family being suddenly "normal", but I'm not holding out hope it will be anything more complicated than, again, "being mortal sucks". And then he'll get his powers back again anyway thanks to... let's say... Moe? Does Disney own Moe now?
 

Jeanie

(Fem or Gender Neutral)
Yeah, I don't have a problem with depowering Franklin, that happens every other year like clockwork, it's the dumb retcon that he was never a mutant that bugs me.

 

gogglebob

The Goggles Do Nothing
(he/him)
I forget which version of Days of Future Past is totally invalid now, but it's totally one of the ones I think I enjoyed!
 

Octopus Prime

Jingle Device
(He/Him)
I’ve often felt like Dan Slotts creative process involves running around his office like an Airplane, yelling “I make comic boooooks!”

Nice to know I’m not far off
 

Jeanie

(Fem or Gender Neutral)
I forget which version of Days of Future Past is totally invalid now, but it's totally one of the ones I think I enjoyed!
Days of Future Present, where the Franklin from the DoFP timeline astral projects himself back in time right before he died. He annoys the FF, messes with the New Mutants, tries to hook up with his old GF Rachel Summers, kidnaps baby Nathan Summers, and causes Ahab and his Hounds to come back and be terrible.

I have an old trade of it because it had some cool Mignola art on the cover.
 

Octopus Prime

Jingle Device
(He/Him)
I have a copy because it was included with a collection of Simonsons FF stories.

Which brought a screeching halt to all the fun time travel shenanigans i as reading
 

LBD_Nytetrayn

..and his little cat, too
(He/him)
I liked some aspects of M-Day with the more "mundane" mutants who weren't really superheroes, but more "street level" dealing with suddenly not having some power they were very used to having. That said, if you ever want me to stop reading/watching some manner of Superman media, go ahead and de-power him for longer than the span of one fight. I never, ever want to see Clark Kent have "wacky" problems with getting a papercut or whatever as they have to show he's human for a week while the basic moral seems to be that being mortal sucks. I know! I get it! I passed out from stapling my finger once, too! I don't need to be reminded!

Err... anyway. I'm pretty sure there's an interesting story about someone who was born with superpowers in a superpowered family being suddenly "normal", but I'm not holding out hope it will be anything more complicated than, again, "being mortal sucks". And then he'll get his powers back again anyway thanks to... let's say... Moe? Does Disney own Moe now?
Yes.
 

Octopus Prime

Jingle Device
(He/Him)
Nearly done the Soule run of She-Hulk from a few years ago, and, hey, this is a really fun legal thriller about a giant radioactive lady and her best friend, A Hot Mess Who Dresses Like a Cat.

Any other recommendations for Shulk and/or Hellcat runs? The Slott one is supposed to be good, isn’t it?
 

Jeanie

(Fem or Gender Neutral)
Yeah, it's okay, just has some stuff that may leave a bad taste in your mouth.

As for Hellcat/Patsy Walker, have you read the Kate Leth series?
 
Almost finished with The Age of Apocalypse (just one issue of Amazing X-Men and X-Men:Omega to go) and it's not as good as I remember it being. But also for almost every book the alternate reality versions are an enormous step up from the quality of an average issue. It honestly doesn't quite hold together if you read every issue and kind of heralds how unwieldily the Onslaught event's attempt to do a publishing line wide crossover would be. But unlike Onslaught you get the feeling that basically everyone is really excited to be doing this big AoA experiment and they have a lot of fun ideas even when they don't work.
 

Octopus Prime

Jingle Device
(He/Him)
Yeah, it's okay, just has some stuff that may leave a bad taste in your mouth.

As for Hellcat/Patsy Walker, have you read the Kate Leth series?

Before I even got a quarter of the way through the first issue, I realized the wisdom of your words
 

Kishi

Little Waves
(They/Them)
Staff member
Moderator
Chris Claremont held a Reddit AMA recently. Highlights include a defense of Wolverine's killing Rachel, an unused pitch for a Wolverine memorial story, his reasoning for replacing Xavier with Magneto; and in the "makes you wonder" category, a staunch disavowal of his old work's occasional brushing up against the occult.
 
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