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The Ultimate Final Fantasy Thread: This Guy Are Knock You All Down

Octopus Prime

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
Decided to skip the rest of FF13 (I was in the middle of a very long and tedious dungeon and the thought of resuming that just... sucked out my enthusiasm) so I started Final Fantasy 13-2.

It's... weird that this game has Mass Effect tie-in DLC, right?

That's some weird cross-promotion.
 
clarice

clarice

bebadosamba
I had a free week from work and i wanted some comfort food gaming. The result is that i've finished Final Fantasy X for the n-th time, where n is a number larger than 8. It took me only five days! I also cooked a bunch of sweets to eat while i played it, so that means i'm at full HP right now or something.

Anyway, i still like this game a lot. I guess the whole situation in Spira resonates with me. Yuna and Tidus are great characters, too. And despite the linearity, it feels like a travel and there's a sense of discovery (and of longing, too).

My only complaint would be the whole marriage with Seymour thing - the characters are just juggled from one place to another, without a sense of place, and i think the game could have done more with his character.
 
Felicia

Felicia

Power is fleeting, love is eternal
(She/Her)
It's kind of weird how Final Fantasy X doesn't have a "main bad guy". Seymour is the antagonist that causes trouble for the party through most of the game, but at the end he fails before he can become the final boss. Jecht is the actual final boss, but he's not really a villain. And Yu Yevon is the actual cause of all the trouble in the world, but that's not revealed until the end, and he's just a creepy bug.
 
Lokii

Lokii

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The bad guy is the church that prolongs the world's suffering for its own benefit.
 
clarice

clarice

bebadosamba
(Spoilers)

The church is a weird thing. Its central hub is in Bevelle, they propagate the teachings of Yevon, who is... the guy who created Sin as an armor for the summoning of a dream Zanarkand with Zanarkand's people as fayth, and he did that because Bevelle was going to destroy Zanarkand with its superior military technology. Somewhere it is said that the church hides the fact that the teachings of Yevon comes from the Zanarkand man. In my mind i think the rise of the church of Yevon was too plotted by Yu Yevon. Sin keeps the population small, and the teachings of Yevon keeps the people without technology - therefore it is hard to attack Sin and stop the summoning of dream Zanarkand.

I think Mika genuinally believes that his way is the only way for the people of Spira to have hope for the future. He's a bad guy, but the whole thing is just sad. Just like Yu Yevon (he did that because his people were going to be annihilated and he wanted to keep their memory alive) and Seymour. It is sort of what i take from FFX villains: sad people.

But the real antagonist in the story is the state of the world, i think. All the problems comes with older people not letting go, and letting the next generation write its story.
 
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Zef

Zef

Find Your Reason
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clarice said:
In my mind i think the rise of the church of Yevon was too plotted by Yu Yevon. Sin keeps the population small, and the teachings of Yevon keeps the people without technology - therefore it is hard to attack Sin and stop the summoning of dream Zanarkand.
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Yevon probably planned for it, but I believe the actual execution of this plan comes from Lady Yunalesca. While the Church definitely maintains the social structures and belief necessary for the cycle, she's the one who actually put it into motion and directs it personally.

Note that this wouldn't make her the "main baddie" of the story--the cycle would probably go on even without her. As you say, it's the status quo itself, the culture of death and the pervasive hopelessness that become the true evils to defeat. And as X-2 shows, killing a space manatee and squashing a magic tick are not sufficient; change must take place at a social level.
 
Kazin

Kazin

did i do all of that?
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clarice said:
I've never played FFX-2 because... i don't know. I'm curious now!
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I absolutely adore FFX but I played through FFX-2 for the first time a little over a year ago and was blown away. It's a very different game, especially in tone - but it fits with FFX very well, imo. Give it a shot! It's one of the best games in the entire series.
 
Octopus Prime

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
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Yeah, I've played through X2 WAY more times than I did the first one; games entire thesis statement is that they just solved *one* problem
 
FelixSH

FelixSH

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I didn't love FFX-2 as much as most people here, but it is a fun game, and it's interesting to see how the world continues on, after Sin is defeated. If you enjoyed FFX, it's definitely worth a try.
 
FelixSH

FelixSH

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I have never played Brave Exvius, but Faris is great and so is this CG Limit Burst thing. Just glorious.
 
Felicia

Felicia

Power is fleeting, love is eternal
(She/Her)
I'm currently playing Final Fantasy XII for the first time, and I've realized something about Fran. Member of a long-lived, animal-like species that has its home in a forest? Partner in crime to a charming pirate with his own flying vehicle? Fran is basically Chewbacca, isn't she?
 
gogglebob

gogglebob

The Goggles Do Nothing
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Final Fantasy 12 is Star Wars if Princess Leia had the option of stealing and then using a Death Star instead of blowing it up.
 
Felicia

Felicia

Power is fleeting, love is eternal
(She/Her)
Has anyone done a patch that replaces all of Fran's dialogue with wookiee growls?
 
SpoonyBard

SpoonyBard

Threat Rhyme
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Oh hey TeamFourStar finished Final Fantasy VII Machinabriged in one final special that covers all the remaining sidequests that they forgot and the entirety of Disc 3.


The timing is super coincidental though with Sephiroth being revealed for Smash this very week. Hell, TFS even uses his line from Advent Children about never being just a memory too.
 
Issun

Issun

Chumpy
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Fredde said:
I'm currently playing Final Fantasy XII for the first time, and I've realized something about Fran. Member of a long-lived, animal-like species that has its home in a forest? Partner in crime to a charming pirate with his own flying vehicle? Fran is basically Chewbacca, isn't she?
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For being probably the lightest on sci-fi elements in the entire series (numbered and offline at least), 12 wears the Star Wars influences more blatantly than any Final Fantasy before or since.
 
aturtledoesbite

aturtledoesbite

earthquake ace
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Issun said:
For being probably the lightest on sci-fi elements in the entire series (numbered and offline at least)
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mmm, that's an interesting question
it's definitely up there, but unless I'm forgetting something, i think 2 and 3 are also pretty non-sci-fi? i don't know enough about 9 to speak of it, but my vague impression suggests it's also in that ballpark
 
Vidfamne

Vidfamne

Banned
Hahaha! I don't want to spoil anything for you, but the one thing I thought FF9 did well is to obfuscate for hours on end that it's Blade Runner, though that may have been because I was staring at Dagger's ass the whole time. This is my 69th post on Talking Time.
 
Torzelbaum

Torzelbaum

????? LV 13 HP 292/ 292
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Vidfamne said:
Hahaha! I don't want to spoil anything for you, but the one thing I thought FF9 did well is to obfuscate for hours on end that it's Blade Runner, though that may have been because I was staring at Dagger's ass the whole time. This is my 69th post on Talking Time.
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"Ooo, soft..."
 
Vidfamne

Vidfamne

Banned
'kay:

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Pictured: what Torzelbaum quoted, that is, Dagger's ass getting in the way of sci-fi because somebody on the FF9 production staff wasn't sure that Philip K. Dick brings all the boys to the yard as effectively.

I might have chosen that wording to mock FF9, or I might have been staring at Dagger's ass the whole time; you will never know the truth. You can't handle the truth! (or Dagger's ass)

e: If we must have a serious talk here, let's focus on how the same forum that has a few people posting about a neural network generating absurd lesbian dragon erotica (just to be clear: nothing wrong with that, I enjoyed reading it) also has a few people who eye you suspiciously when you're taking a sardonic crack at... "science-fiction" and its lovingly-crafted models. I mean, of spaceships.

I don't mind -- that's how the agora works -- but in case the latter group thinks that I failed to read the room and making jokes like this probably means I grope women while climbing airships or "repress the desire" to do so, I think I have a solid argument on hand, much like Zidane in that picture

("laughter is the momentary deflection of pain")
 
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Vidfamne

Vidfamne

Banned
Yes, which is my point.

edit: The Mass Effect scene is also "kinda gross", as is everything about Mass Effect imo, not that I think people who enjoy it are "kinda gross" because everyone brings their own associations -- and natural proclivities of highlighting this and forgetting that. Unscientific, but otherwise as wonderful a feature of the mind as could be. Also, it's difficult not to notice (or mock) how ostentatiously ME2 shoved Miranda's ass in your face; I wouldn't have expected to be taken at face value if I'd said "I didn't catch the story tbh, I was too busy staring at Miranda's ass" instead of this being glossed as a double jab at the acclaimed erotic visual novel RPG series (any entry in which is less of an RPG than Deus Ex).

As pertains to either Dagger's or Miranda's ass, I'll mock it because that is in effect the same as getting annoyed at it, but easier on my state of mind. If anyone insists at this point to think less of me for how I chose to say what's in substance "lol Dagger's ass gets as much attention in that game as the sci-fi", I'm not going to make any more effort: there's a hundred more relevant things in my words and conduct that they could as well take offense to.
 
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Felicia

Felicia

Power is fleeting, love is eternal
(She/Her)
Issun said:
For being probably the lightest on sci-fi elements in the entire series (numbered and offline at least), 12 wears the Star Wars influences more blatantly than any Final Fantasy before or since.
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I used to think Final Fantasy II was the most obvious Star Wars analogy, but that was before I began XII.
 
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