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Oh! Emperor Vandole is a DOG. - Let's Uncover the Secret of Mana!

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Back in 1989, Square registered the trademark for this game's predecessor, Seiken Densetsu (Legend of the Holy Sword) with the subtitle The Emergence of Excalibur. The plan was to make it a Famicom Disk System game that came on five disks (unheard-of at the time!), but over the life of the project, it got scaled back significantly.
It was 1987. In fact, the letter of condolence to those who had pre-ordered the game simultaneously asked fans to look forward to a little upcoming game called "Final Fantasy."
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:36 PM
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It was 1987. In fact, the letter of condolence to those who had pre-ordered the game simultaneously asked fans to look forward to a little upcoming game called "Final Fantasy."
Huh. Well, that just goes to show that my fact sources aren't entirely reliable! Also, that explains an awful lot about why Seiken Densetsu got the sub-title "Final Fantasy Gaiden" in Japan.
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Don't forget 'H'!

'WELCOME TO SECRET OF HAHA.'
That gives me an amusing idea. Maybe name them HAHAHA, HEHEHE and HOHOHO, so they're all laughing at inappropriate times.

"HAHAHA... It is I who asked... The sword..."
"HEHEHE? What kind of name is that?"
"HOHOHO, you're back!"
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Here are the two offending screenshots as they are rendered by ZSNES (captured via Print Screen instead of the built-in screenshot engine):
Okay, that's rather less heinous than I thought.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:25 PM
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My completely terrible suggestions, based on the origins of Purim's name: Sukkot and Pesach.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:56 PM
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BOSS, PERCY, and TOMATO?
Anther vote for the Secret of the Salad Kingdom team.
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:35 AM
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I realize this. I knew there was a fan translation a while back. Just didn't know it was by Sky Render.
Just in case you're unaware, he has an lp showing it off!
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:55 AM
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I'm trying to remember if someone retranslated this as tended to happen back in the earlier days of the romhacking scene when people wanted to play the "real" RPGs they'd played on SNES. Also, if that possible translation was worth anything.
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:26 AM
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:14 AM
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Anther vote for the Secret of the Salad Kingdom team.
And another.

I really want to follow and play along with this LP, since I've been meaning to pick this game up from VC for a while now, but I can't until I've cleared ME3 and The Last Story. Harrumph!
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Old 03-13-2012, 05:22 AM
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I'm trying to remember if someone retranslated this as tended to happen back in the earlier days of the romhacking scene when people wanted to play the "real" RPGs they'd played on SNES. Also, if that possible translation was worth anything.
No, but I've wanted to. I did almost everything except the dialogue as it is, too. (FuSoYa's VWF hack expanded the text, but it's another layer of fluff on top of Woolsey's translation, not a retranslation.)
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My completely terrible suggestions, based on the origins of Purim's name: Sukkot and Pesach.
I kinda love this (and it's so timely!), but I'd be fine with the Secret of the Salad Kingdom team, too.

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No, but I've wanted to. I did almost everything except the dialogue as it is, too. (FuSoYa's VWF hack expanded the text, but it's another layer of fluff on top of Woolsey's translation, not a retranslation.)
So Aerdan, how different is it? The place and character names look about the same, and most of Woolsey's equipment name changes are understandable if not perfect. How is the plot and characterization different? (Also, if you did make a patch for this, I'd totally play it.)
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:42 AM
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Without a dialogue dump, which I don't have, I really can't say. I'm willing to bet that Sky's going to comment, though.
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Without a dialogue dump, which I don't have, I really can't say. I'm willing to bet that Sky's going to comment, though.
During the LP proper? Occasionally, I suppose. I could at least comment on it in general. You'll be unsurprised to learn that a lot of the dialogue is condensed down in the US version, or outright changed. As was Square's deal at the time, there's generally a pretty somber and serious tone to the game's script in the original (broken up by the occasional bits of levity). It's been quite a while since I've properly played SD2 instead of SoM, so I may well have to do a parallel play of the game while I go through SoM to make sure I don't mis-remember when pointing out script differences.
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レツプレー聖剣伝説2!

So yeah, I may as well showcase a bit of the Japanese version as well. Starting with the title screen crawl.



THE SWORD REVEALED THE POWER
OF ITS TRUE NATURE TO
RETRIEVE THE PEACE.
EXCALIBUR, KUSANAGI, AND
ALL THE OTHER SWORDS TALKED
IN MYTH, LEGEND, AND SAGA...
PEOPLE NAMED THOSE
SWORDS IN MANY WAYS.
BUT...
THEY ALL MEANT ONE THING.
THE ONE AND ONLY...

THE SWORD OF MANA.


Yes, it was originally in English and completely different. Not great English, of course, which is probably why it was rewritten, but there you have it.



The menu is predictably similar, but the naming screen is completely different. Lots of characters, even English ones!



Ah, right, most of my readers can't read Japanese. So I'll provide some translations for these shots. DISCLAIMER: These are on-the-fly seat-of-my-pants translations, so they're not guaranteed to be 100% accurate or 100% localized! I'll try for a reasonable amount of both.

Long ago... Mana's power was harnessed by civilization, and the world flourished.



Ultimately, mankind began to battle over control of Mana's power. The Mana Fortress was summoned, a vessel of the Titans.



However, this excessive power enraged the gods, and so they sent the God-Beasts to earth.



A terrible battle erupted between the Fortress and the God-Beasts. The world was engulfed in flames, and the power of Mana disappeared from the earth.



At this time, a hero wielding the holy sword emerged, and brought down the Fortress. It was lost to man and God-Beast alike.



Though the cause of the conflict was forgotten by civilization, the world was at peace once more...



Time flows on... And history repeats...

As you can see, the introduction got quite a lot of attention and was kept pretty true to the original script. Will this attention to detail keep up throughout? Well, Woolsey himself said "no", so I guess we'll find out as the LP continues!
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:50 PM
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Another noteworthy difference is that the title image is really zoomed-in in the American version, while the Japanese version shows off more of that beautiful Hiroo Isono art.





As for the narration, the mention of "God-Beasts" makes that series of bosses in SD3 especially resonant in retrospect.
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Another noteworthy difference is that the title image is really zoomed-in in the American version, while the Japanese version shows off more of that beautiful Hiroo Isono art.





As for the narration, the mention of "God-Beasts" makes that series of bosses in SD3 especially resonant in retrospect.
Yeah, I did notice the title screen art got pretty cropped for the US version... Also cool is that the border around the Kanji and number for the Japanese version title flickers like it's glowing.

The God-Beasts in SD3 are in fact the same God-Beasts mentioned in SD2's introduction. They're also mentioned in Legend of Mana, but the localization team decided to call them Flammies for some reason.

Fun Fact: "Sword of Mana" is in fact the most appropriate translation of the game series' overarching title to date. The title screen there calls the legendary blade the Sword of Mana, but in-game it's only ever referred to as the seiken (holy sword). Meaning that "Sword of Mana" and "holy sword" are in fact synonymous terms. The most complete translation would be "Legend of the Sword of Mana", though that's quite a mouthful.
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Anther vote for the Secret of the Salad Kingdom team.
Secret of Mato?
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:02 PM
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So glad this is getting revived!

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I like this game already. Not that I've ever played it or any of the other Mana games before, but I've heard good things. Here's hoping, I guess.
It's really an amazing soundtrack. If you aren't familiar with the game you should make sure to listen to all of the links.

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Ultimately, mankind began to battle over control of Mana's power. The Mana Fortress was summoned, a vessel of the Titans.

However, this excessive power enraged the gods, and so they sent the God-Beasts to earth.
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As for the narration, the mention of "God-Beasts" makes that series of bosses in SD3 especially resonant in retrospect.
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The God-Beasts in SD3 are in fact the same God-Beasts mentioned in SD2's introduction. They're also mentioned in Legend of Mana, but the localization team decided to call them Flammies for some reason.
This is very interesting. Since (endgame spoilers) the Mana Beast is pretty much Flammie and I'd never heard the God-beast name used in SoM before now I assumed they were completely different. I figured Legend of Mana was talking about the Mana Beast (so Flammie made sense) and SD3 was talking about completely different creatures.
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Old 03-14-2012, 02:47 PM
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Hmmm...name him "GENKEI", so that you can name the other two "Ika" and "Ruga".
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YAY! I'm glad to see this LP picked back up, and I'm especially glad to see it's going to get the Sky Render treatment. I hope to see a lot more behind-the-scenes details since I've already played this game to death.

Part of me will always hope that somewhere there exists a copy of the original Play Station version of this game, but I don't even know how close to complete it was before being chopped down. And I've heard enough about the way video companies work to know there's little chance of ever getting the "director's" cut of this game. But a boy can dream.

My tradition will always be to simply name them BOY (or McClain), GIRL and SPRITE.
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Old 03-16-2012, 09:00 PM
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I'd like to nominate Earth, Wind and Fire.
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My tradition will always be to simply name them PEPSI, COKE and SPRITE.
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Part I - Being the Chosen One Sucks

Looks like it's time for the adventure to start! And who will our intrepidclumsy hero be?



♪♪ Together Forever ♪♪

Boss, of course!

Finally, my day in the spotlight has arrived! Wait 'til I tell Bijou!

No, not you! The guy who's the protagonist of Princess Tomato!

Why must I be tormented so?

Because pants. Anyway, on with the LP!



I just bet he will!

Timothy: Yeah, haven't you heard the stories about this place? There's a ghost around!
*Elliott and Timothy face each other*
Eliot: Ha! Did you really believe that ghost story last night? The adults just said that to scare us!
*Eliot faces forward*
But I did hear Grandma say something about a shiny object near the falls.
*He faces Timothy again; Boss gets up*
Timothy: That must be some kind of treasure! We have to find it!


Cheeky little rascals, aren't they?



What, seriously? You do know that Percy's supposed to be the klutz, not you, right Boss?



Oh snap! It looks like Elliott has had enough of Boss!



He and Timothy just watch, then walk off... like a BOSS! (I'm sorry.)



Hooray for spinal fractures!



Uh, get out of the pond? You're gonna get soaked otherwise. Just a thought.



Who's the boss?

Boss: ??

Apparently not Boss! He's got no clue what's going on here!



Now who stuck a perfectly good sword in a stone over there? That's just begging for someone to yank it out and unleash some sort of curse upon your village! Honestly.



Or you could, y'know, step through the light foliage that's blocking your path.



Pulling out the rusted dull sword in a stone is an option too, I guess.

Boss: Who are you... and what's this sword doing here?

Rusting, presumably.



Well, he pulled it out. This can't not end well.
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Like, zoinks Scoob!

......Boss...... It is I who asked... the sword... {You asked a sword? I think you'll get better directions from something animate, ghost-dude!}
*The screen flashes again*
Boss: ?? Say what? You mean this sword?..


No, he means that other rusty hunk of junk in the waterfall! Boss is quite a brain trust, innee?



The brilliant light is gone in an instant.

Yeah, that's definitely not anything ominous.



And how! This is gonna take some explaining to the elder, methinks.



Amazingly, despite being about as sharp as a SNES controller's edge, the sword cuts through the grasses just fine!



It's just chillin'.



Secret of Mana's combat is a sort of strange hybrid of turn-based and real-time, with more emphasis on real-time. You can attack when your action gauge is at 100% and do full damage, or swing like mad when it's not and do about 1/32nd as much damage as you would from a full-power strike.



Enemies can and often do drop items, as seen here. The item limit's only 4 of any given type, however, so items are not something you want to count on!



As you fight with a given weapon (yes, this game has more than just a sword to fight with; quite a lot more!), your skill with that weapon goes up. There's a cap on how much skill you can get for a weapon that's derived from something we'll learn more about later.



You can hold down the attack button to charge up your attack level and use a stronger blow. This is generally less effective than just attacking regularly, but at times it comes in handy.



What a silly critical hit message!



And finally, you get experience and level up just like any other traditional RPG. That covers gameplay mechanics for now, so let's continue on with the plot!
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♪♪ Bright Summer Skies ♪♪

I have a real bad feeling about this...

It's just a short walk from the waterfall to the village of Potos! Let's talk!

Woman: Boss! The Elder was looking for you. What did you do this time?
Kid: There's a strange guy in here. He looks kinda scary.
Man: Haaaaalp! Mosnters have surrounded the village! Something's wrong. We'd better stay inside!


In a House
Woman: Hey, Boss! Stop playing with that sword before you hurt someone!

In the Pub
Woman: That guy seems to be a knight from somewhere. What's he doing here?
Bartender: Oh, it's you, Boss. Elliott was pale and about to faint. What happened?
Man: ...




Alright, enough talking, let's... um, talk some more. Damn it!

Elliott: Man, I thought you were a goner for sure!
Timothy: I told you it was stupid to bring someone like HIM along!
Elder: You idiots! Weren't you told not to go there?
*Elliott and Timothy look around, embarrassed*
Elder: Huh? Boss! What's that you have? ...Oh, no! It couldn't be!
Elliott: Cool! Did you find the treasure?
Timothy: Way to go!
Elder: What have you done?! How could YOU have pulled out the Mana Sword? It's impossible!
Timothy: THE Mana Sword?! Legend has it that our village is finished if...
Elder: ...if the sword is removed. And here it is! It is said that the Mana Sword has been protecting our village from disaster.
Elliott: So that's it! That's why all the monsters have appeared and started attacking us! How could an outsider like you yank out the sword and bring dom to us all!!


So wait, how did Boss not know about this legend? I mean really, he's a resident of this village, right? Even if he's not originally from Potos, why would they opt to not tell him the single most important story about how their village is kept safe? Sorry, I'm on Boss' side here, guys. If you're dumb enough not to tell someone about something this critical, you deserve the destruction you get as a result.



Elliott does not agree with me, unsurprisingly, and starts assaulting Boss.

Elliott: It's your fault!



Seriously. You hit like a baby, it's embarrassing to have to pretend to run away every time you lightly massage him in an attempt to do damage.



How contrivedly convenient! (I say that way too often, don't I?)



Oh snap.



Um, little help?



Guess not!



♪♪ Crisis ♪♪

It's a M-M-M-Mantis Ant!

*Boss runs around a bit, panicking*
Man: Hey! Can you hear me? Watch how the monster moves before attacking!


Thanks for the advice, mysterious man!



Too bad Boss is just gonna disregard it and attack like crazy.



Mantis Ant is the first "boss" of the game, and he can be a cheap fucker, let me tell you. He's capable of slinging out attacks that do up to half your max HP in damage, and to make matters worse, he has an undodgeable attack that knocks poor Boss for a loop and gives Mantis Ant even MORE free hits. If it weren't for the infinite free revivals, this fight could easily be a game-killer for anyone not blessed with a great deal of luck.



By some miracle, I beat him without getting KO'd. I am as astonished as you are.



Thanks, mysterious text prompt narrator type guy!



The sword has an orb? How random!



Thanks, dude. Think maybe you could've done that BEFORE the giant abomination tried to kill me? No? That's cool.
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♪♪ Calm Before the Storm ♪♪

Hahaha, Elliott is a wimp.

*Elliott runs off and Boss walks up to the man*
Man: That appears to be the real Mana Sword...!
Boss: Huh? What?
Man: I came to Potos hoping to find and retrieve the Mana Sword myself. It is supposed to be pulled out by a knight in times of great strife and upheaval. Problem is, you're too young! Something must have happened to the Mana Sword.
Boss: Well then, here! It's yours!
Man: A noble gesture, but I'm afraid it's already too late for that. The sword has lost most of its power and must be re-energized! Only the person who pulled it free can do this, and like it or not, you're it.
Boss: But then...what can I do? I'm not a knight!
Man: I understand this will be difficult for you, but the situation is desperate. I won't force you into it...all I ask is that you hear us out first before deciding anything. Come to the Water Palace and visit Sage Luka. She's been protecting these lands for over 200 years. Please, listen to her advice!
*Timothy runs up*
Timothy: Boss! The Elder wants you in his house!
Man: Well, I have to be off. Oh, my name is Jema. I'll wait for you inside the Water Palace!
*Jema walks off*


Great, just what Boss needed, a quest. Oh well, I'm sure the Elder will be okay with him lugging the sacred protector of the village off on a quest to revitalize it!



You're not the Boss of me! (Once again, I apologize.)



Aww, no post-battle shopping spree for Boss...



Looks like it's Serious Business(tm) time in the Elder's house!

Villager: Yeah! There's no relief in sight.
Elder: ... Oh, Boss!
{Did you drop some things AGAIN? Sorry, reflex...}
*Boss walks up to the elder*
Elder: You've really done it to me this time! The reason why monsters have appeared is because you removed the sword.
{So... why don't you just have him put it back? Is that not an option?}
Villager: It's settled. We can't let Boss stay in the village anymore!
Villager: If we do... more monsters will come after him!
*Boss takes a step back at each villager's retort*
Villagers: Go! Get out of here! Yeah, on your way now!

♪♪ I Will Never Forget You ♪♪
Elder: I don't want to do this, but I have no choice. I'm going to have to ask you to leave the village. You can take what's in the treasure chest downstairs.



Yeah, I just bet you have ESP, granny.

Woman: I feel sorry for you, but there's nothing I can do. It's YOUR fault!
Woman: We're in danger as long as you're here. Please leave!
Man: Use the south-east exit. Go now before something else happens!
Elder: I took you in and I raised you. But there's nothing I can do to help. Please forgive me.


Guess it's a foregone conclusion, then.



Oh hey, some GP! I can spend that at the Gold Saucer! Oops, wrong game...



Don't worry, Boss! I'll make sure daddy lets you back in the village someday!

Thanks, kid! Somehow I doubt he'll listen or care.



♪♪ Spirit of Night ♪♪

The elder has story-times for us!

Your mother brought you to this village when you were just a baby. Soon afterwards, she disappeared... I took you and have done my best to raise you. But now we must part. I truly hope you can find your mother someday. ...Good bye, Boss.

Later, pops.



Let's see... Bunch of candy, leather trousers, bandanna, rusted sacred relic... Yep, all set to face the world!



Dude, harsh.



♪♪ In the Thick of It ♪♪

That sounds... dangerous. Let's do it! But next time. I think getting scapegoat'd for an entire village's negligence to inform him of the single most important thing in the entire village is more than enough trauma for one update for our poor hero. Come back next time when we meet up with the mysterious Sage Luka!

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Part I Reprise - In Which the Whole Affair is Much More Serious

Okay, let's look at that again! Seiken Densetsu 2, you're up! (We'll also be looking at the unadulterated Woolsey dialogue, courtesy of MMXZ's transcription. 'Cause FuSoYa elaborated on a lot, and it wouldn't be fair to compare otherwise! Unfortunately, only chunks of Woolsey's script are available, but I'll make do with what I've got.)



♪♪ Together Forever ♪♪

BOSS "Hey, guys, wait up. Uwah!"
*Boss slips a bit*
Bob "BOSS, you klutz! Don't be so careless, the elder's gonna be mad if he spots us here!"
Ness "Yeah. The village rules say we're not supposed to come here. They say there's a ghost out here..."
Bob "Haha, that's just a fairy tale. They just don't want us up here, I bet it doesn't exist at all. But grandma said there was a bright light that fell near the falls long ago, so there's gotta be some kinda treasure here!"
Ness "Yeah, let's keep going!"
*Bob and Ness walk off as Boss starts to slip*
"Ah, ahh, I'm slipping!"
*Boss loses his grip as the other two walk over to him*
"Uwaaaaah...!"
*Boss falls; Bob and Ness look down, look at each other, and run off*


Woolsey's Version
BOSS: Hey! Guys! wait up!
Elliott: Shh! Be quiet! The elder will find us here and will be mad!
Timothy: Yeah. We're not supposed to be here. There's a ghost around!
Elliot: Ha! Do you really believe that? People say that to scare us!
Timothy: But I heard Grandma say something about a shiny object near the falls.
Elliot: That must be some kind of treasure! We have to find it!
BOSS: Help! I'm falling!




"Yeouch! Hmm... So, looks like I can't climb up from here. S-So now what?"

Woolsey's Version
BOSS: Ouch! Phew! No way to get back up! What am I going to do?



...BOSS... ...BOSS...
"??"


(I don't think Woolsey's version is necessary here!)



"The village's this way... But I need something to cut this down with."



...BOSS... Please... Pull out... the sword...
*Boss looks around*
"Who was that? ...And, what's with this sword!?"
*Boss grabs the handle*
"Nnnnngh... Whoa!"
*The sword comes out cleanly*
*The screen turns white*
"Gah! Too bright!"
*A g-g-g-ghost appears!*
"Augh, a g-ghost!"
"...BOSS... The sword... Take it..."
*The screen turns white again*
"!? W-what, what's going on? Oh! The sword's...!!"
*He holds the sword over his head and it begins radiating energy!*
"That light just disappeared..."
*Boss shakes his head*
"G-Gotta get back to the village!"


Woolsey's Version
Voice: BOSS.......Remove the sword.......
BOSS: Who are you?.. And what's this sword doing here?
*BOSS removes the sword*
BOSS: Oh! That light! So bright that I can't see!
*Ghost appears*
Ghost: BOSS.....It is I who asked.......the sword....
BOSS: ?! Say what? You mean this sword?
...The brilliant light is gone in an instant.
BOSS: I have to get back!




"Whoa, there's a Rabite here! This is bad!"



Obtained a Round Drop

(As you can see, item pick-up messages are a fair bit more verbose in this version! Understandably, since the name length limits are much shorter.)



BOSS' weapon level went up! Sword is now Lv1

(About as terse between both versions, really.)



BOSS is now Lv2

(Again, not much difference.)
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:53 PM
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♪♪ Bright Summer Skies ♪♪

Oh my! If it isn't BOSS. I saw a brilliant light from the direction of the falls a while ago! I hope nothing bad happened, knock on wood.
Kid "There's some guy I've never seen in the pub. He looks like someone you don't wanna mess with."
Man "This isn't good! Monsters appeared all around the village suddenly! What could have caused this? It's not safe to leave the village through this path right now."
Woman "The elder's been looking for you. What'd you do this time?"


Top-Left House
Woman "Hey, BOSS! Watch where you swing that sword! I'll tell the elder if you don't!"

Pub
Woman "I wonder, what country is that patron a soldier of? And what's he going to do in this village?"
Owner "Hey, it's BOSS. Bob and his bud came back a little while ago looking like they'd seen a ghost. Something happen?"
Traveler "..."




Elder "Ah, BOSS! Thank goodness you're safe. I was just hearing Bob and Ness explain what happened."
Bob "Dang, I thought you were done for back there. You and your stupid clumsiness!"
Ness "Yeah, we never should've taken you with us. Hmph!"
Elder "You idiots! You knew you weren't allowed to go there! You rapscallions!"
*The elder looks at Boss*
Elder "Hm? BOSS! What are you holding? ... T-That's...! No wonder..."
Bob "Whoa!? Does that mean you found the treasure!?"
Ness "That's so cool!"
Elder "Ah, what have you done!? You've pulled out the Sword of Mana! I thought nobody could ever pull it out..."
Ness "Huh!? T-The Sword of Mana? I've heard something about that. If it's pulled out everything in the village is done for, the legend says..."
Elder "Now Boss has pulled it free..."
"The legendary Sword of Mana protects this village from harm. This shall end once it is removed."
Bob "You stupid idiot, how could you do something like that!? So that's why monsters have besieged us!"
*Boss shakes his head*
Bob "You've doomed us all by pulling it out, you outsider! Gah, how could you!?"
*Bob starts hitting Boss*
"Augh, stop it!"
"Shut up!"
*Bob chases Boss a bit*
"You're to blame!"
*Bob chases Boss over to the flower bed*
"Get back here!"
*Earthquake!*
"Whoa, it's an earthquake!"
*Bob starts walking around, freaked out, and falls down a hole that forms where the flowerbed was*
*Boss starts to fall in too as the man from the pub walks out*
"Waaaaagh!"
*Boss falls in*


Woolsey's Version
Elder: BOSS! You're not hurt! The just told me what happened!
Elliott: I thought you were a goner!
Timothy: I told you it was stupid to bring someone like HIM along!
Elder: You idiots! Weren't you told not to go there?
Elder: BOSS? What's that you have? ..Oh no! It couldn't be!
Elliott: Cool! Did you find the treasure?
Timothy: Way to go!
Elder: What have you done?! How could YOU have pulled out the Mana Sword! It's impossible!
Timothy: The Mana Sword?! Legend has it that our village is finished...
Elder: If the sword is removed... It is said that the Mana Sword has been protecting our village from disaster!
Elliott: So that's it! That's why all the monsters are attacking us now!
How could an outsider like you yank out the sword and bring doom to us all!
*Elliott smacks BOSS*
BOSS: Hey! Stop it!
Elliott: YOU did it! It's YOUR fault! YOU!
BOSS: Please, stop!




♪♪ Crisis ♪♪

Bob "Augh! It's a m-m-monster!! H-hey, you've got a sword! Do something!!"
*Boss runs around a bit, confused*
Traveler "Hey! Can you hear me? If you can, watch how the enemy moves before you strike! You can do it!"




Man "This time, be more careful! Wait until you're at 100% power before you strike!"

(Mantis Ant can be a cheap shit, have I mentioned that yet?)



Alright!



Sword's power went up!

(A bit misleading! No wonder Woolsey changed it.)



Man "Nicely done! Hold on a moment, I'll get you back up."
Woolsey's Version
Man: You did it! Wait there, I'll pull you out!



♪♪ Calm Before the Storm ♪♪

Bob "Ah jeez... That was too much for me..."
*Bob runs off*
*Boss and the man turn to face each other*
Man "...That's the legendary Sword of Mana. Things have just gotten dire...
"What!? Why?"
"When the time comes that the world faces a crisis, the legend states that the Sword of Mana is to be drawn by a hero. But you're too young. And yet that's definitely the Sword of Mana..."
"T-Then you take it!"
"No, I cannot. The Sword of Mana's power has been lost. This blade must be ressurected or it is useless. The only one who can do this is the one who drew the sword from its resting place."
"B-But I can't..."
"...Go to the Water Temple and hear what the lady Lucia Luca has to say. She has lived for 200 years, protecting this world, and should be able to guide you on your way. Heed her advice."
*Ness runs up*
Ness "BOSS! The elder wants to see you in his house!"
Man "Well, I have things I must accomplish, so I'll be leaving ahead of you. My name is Jema. I shall see you at the temple!"
*Jema walks off*


Woolsey's Version
Elliott: Whaaaaaah!
Man: That appears to be the real Mana Sword:
BOSS: Huh? What?
Man: It is supposed to be pulled out by a knight in times of great trouble. Problem is, you're too young! Something must have happened to the Mana Sword.
BOSS: Here! It's yours!
Man: Sorry, but the sword is losing its power and must be re-energized! Only the person who pulled it free can do that.
BOSS: What I should I do?
Man: Visit Sage Luka in the Water Palace. She's been protecting these lands for over 200 years.
Timothy: BOSS! The elder wants you in his house!
Man: Well, I have to be off. Oh, and my name is Jema. I'll wait for you inside the Water Palace!
*Jema leaves*




Ness "You should hurry..."
Shopkeepers "Man, what a shock that was. I'm closing shop for now."




"Elder! This cannot continue!"
"Yeah! We won't get a moment of peace. If these monsters keep coming..."
*Boss runs up*
Elder "...Ah, BOSS! This is quite a mess you've caused. The Sword of Mana granted our village the protection of the gods, but with the blade removed, now monsters are attacking us non-stop."
*An old woman walks over to the elder*
"Then it's obvious what we must do! BOSS is to blame for the monsters attacking the village, so he should be banished!"
*Boss takes a step back with each insult*
"Get out!"
"Yeah, get outta here!!"
"Go away! Don't come back!!"

♪♪ I Will Never Forget You ♪♪
Elder "...Sadly, I have no choice, BOSS. I must ask you to leave this village. There's a chest in the basement. Take what's inside of it with you before you go."

Woolsey's Version
Villager: Elder! We can't go on like that!
Villager: Yeah! There's no relief in sight!
Elder: ....Oh, BOSS!
..You've really done it to me this time...The reason why monsters have
appeared is because you removed the sword!
Villager: It's settled. We can't let BOSS stay in the village anymore!
Villager: If we do, monsters will come after him!
Villagers: Go! Get out of here! Yeah, on your way now!
Elder: I don't want to do this, but I have no choice. I'm going to have to ask you to leave.. You can take what's in the treasure chest downstairs.....




"Now I know why I felt such ill omens. Goddess protect me..."
Woman "I don't like it, but there's no way around it. This is your fault."
Woman "You've brought disaster upon our village... Just go before you make things worse!"
Man "Look what you've done! You've gone and pulled out the Sword of Mana! Get out of here!!"




"Big brother, you going somewhere? See ya later!"



There was 50 Lucre in the chest!

(Yep, the term "Lucre" was used for the series currency even this far back.)



Elder "Even though I took you in and raised you as my son, there's nothing I can do for you now. Forgive me. ...BOSS. I know I should have told you this sooner, but..."
♪♪ Spirit of Night ♪♪
"You were brought to this village by your mother when you were just an infant. Not long after that, your mother left and never returned. After that, I took you in and raised you as my own son, at least until now... Farewell. I hope you find your mother out there, some day... Godspeed."

Woolsey's Version
Elder: I took you and I raised you. But there's nothing I can do to help.... Please forgive me.... I know I've told you this before but.... Your mother brought you here when you were just a baby. Soon afterwards, she disappeared... I took you and have done my best to raise you.. But now we must part.... I truly hope you'll find your mother someday... Good bye BOSS....



"I'm only helping you because the elder ordered me to. Once you've got what you need, get out of this village!"
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"So, you prepared?"
> Yes / No
*The guy lets Boss pass, then walks back into place*
"By the elder's orders, you are banished from this village henceforth. Now, get out of here!"




♪♪ In the Thick of It ♪♪

-->
"Cannon Shop!"


(That's not misleading at all!)

That's about it for this update. Next time, who knows what differences we'll spot? Come back and see!
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