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Who is the worst Avenger?
I mean… Black Widow also did a lot of murders Before deciding that clandestine murders are bad. Like, a lot a lot.
Don't forget that Tony was ultimately a big part of that. "Even dead, I'm still screwing things up."
Nah, I don't count that. She didn't really have a lot of say in all that, and ultimately rebelled against it and stayed on the straight and narrow ever since without any relapses. She's probably my favorite Avenger besides Cap and BP just by merit of her being an actual, unequivocable good person.
Oh I didn't forget, that was included in the whole, "decided to make even more weapons, and has created more villains than Batman." He's definitely the MCU's most successful villain.
And Paul F. Thompkins as Werner Hetzog is 110%.
It is just almost there isn’t it? They should have gotten PFT, he would have done it. Can’t really complain about the casting otherwise, pretty top notch. Bonus John Hodgman appearance for good measure in the first ep.
The others are fine but you're being deeply unfair to Thor here. He saved the people, who are Asgard, not the place. He's also the character who's gone through the most loss that wasn't his own damn fault
I mean, that's exactly why I put him on there. Hulk is often completely out of control and just as likely to hurt friend as much as foe if you don't point the human wrecking ball in the right direction first.
Thor's sister, who seems to have been wrongfully imprisoned/victimized by their father, comes back to claim her rightful inheritance. And Thor's reaction is to blow it all up instead of let her have it. Ragnarok was a fun time, but they did a really poor job of both using and establishing Hela as a figure that merited that kind of dire, extreme response. I didn't remotely get the impression that she was either impossible to negotiate with or reform, when they had like a two second conversation and then immediately resulted to the nuclear option. Especially when she was subdued and imprisoned in the past, yet for some reason now, that's off the table for poorly or unestablished reasons? Loki repeatedly tries to murder and commit genocide and he gets a billion second chances, but Hela shows up and tries to be a boss-lady and immediately it's like ok let's just blow everything up, the prophecy must be fulfilled.
Very much not a fan of how they did that character.
The first thing she does when she arrives on Asgard is kill Fandral and Volstagg, who were just operating the rainbow bridge.
That's an explanation for her actions; it doesn't excuse them.
you know, I'm thinking she may not be nice
'And I suppose I could try to stop them but I've already taken my helmet off...'
I've already admitted as much. But my point being is there are a lot of extenuating circumstances that hint at the possibility of redemption, or reform, or finding some other solution, but instead that just gets swept under the carpet in a hurry because the movie is not actually interesting in telling that story. Just in having Thor beat up his sister and making good on the subtitle of the film in a cool showy way. We've seen Marvel things redeem much more reprehensible characters/actions, so it's a choice to not do it here.
