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Iaboo, Youaboo, Weallaboo for Anime!
- Thread starter Johnny Unusual
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Why wouldn’t it have the most important characters.
Johnny Unusual
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Animation looks great but....
Not a complaint because let's face it, he's always oscillated between goofball and sadguy.
Animation looks great but....
Always.
One of my favorite things in fiction are stories that focus on the ancillary characters near but not directly participating in, grandiose world shaking events.
It’s why I love Jimmy Olsen, it’s why I love Astro City, and, by god, the emphasis put on the insurance agents tasked with following around Vash the Stampede are why Trigun is my #2 favorite anime
It’s why I love Jimmy Olsen, it’s why I love Astro City, and, by god, the emphasis put on the insurance agents tasked with following around Vash the Stampede are why Trigun is my #2 favorite anime
Johnny Unusual
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In other news, I was recently lamenting "where is that Slam Dunk movie that was announced forever ago?" and now...
www.animenewsnetwork.com
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Slam Dunk Anime Film Opens in Japan on December 3 (Updated)
Film's title is The First Slam Dunk // Various cinema chains in Japan posted pictures on Twitter on Saturday of theatrical posters of the new anime film of...
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I fucking LOVE Trigun. I own the entire manga, and have read it start to end multiple times. It's a very important piece of media for me.
When I heard they were Doing a new show I was legit excited. The concept of seeing all the stuff that wasn't in the first one because the comic wasn't done, in motion for the first time?
And then this shit dropped and I felt like a fucking fool for ever getting my hopes up.
When I heard they were Doing a new show I was legit excited. The concept of seeing all the stuff that wasn't in the first one because the comic wasn't done, in motion for the first time?
And then this shit dropped and I felt like a fucking fool for ever getting my hopes up.
Ludendorkk
(he/him)
I someone who has only watched the first two episodes of the first Trigun anime so far (baby leaves less time for marathoning anime), this new trailer seems to have, uh, a wildly different tone
Ludendorkk
(he/him)
So far the anime has Meryl and Milly as the main characters and Vash as their comedic foil sidekick. If they shift away from that dynamic I'm going to become much less interested frankly
Okay as someone who's read the whole thing multiple times, this COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
I mean the fucking Character Design alone. Vash's whole THING is that his body, despite being actually magic is COMPLETELY FUCKING RUINED by his weird dedication to total pacifism. As such underneath his iconic coat he's skin and bones, with huge chunks of his body literally bolted back together because he's been fucking shot so many times it's a wonder he's still standing.
Meanwhile this Vash has traditional heroic build and dodges bullets like they're nothing, which is DUMB because as stated, PROPER Vash gets SHOT ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
And why's his fucking robot arm so goddamn obvious?! THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ROBOT ARM IS THAT HE HAS TO HIDE IT! Because it's a weapon of desperate last resort that's ONLY useful as a surprise attack!
But no let's just fucking make it a giant obvious pointy metalic thing on full display over his new garbage DRIP hoodie.
I genuinely have no idea how they managed to fuck it all up THIS FUCKING BADLY. I mean hell the entire reason I was excited when they said "HEY YOU'RE GETTING MORE TRIGUN" was because I was pumped that we'd finally see Wolfwood's story PROPERLY play out in animation! AND WOLFWOOD ISN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING TRAILER. And that's not even mentioning Meryl and Milly, the heart and soul of the story respectively. How the fuck you gonna do Trigun without them?
I've seen people tell me "Oh it's a prequel that's why his body is less ruined and that's why his arm is so obvious and blah blah blah" FUCK THAT NOSIE. Prequels FUCKING SUCK. Disney can't even make a good one with their goddamn infinite money for goddamn star wars! Why the fuck would anyone want a prequel for trigun, which ALREADY HAD IT'S BACKSTORY FULLY EXPLAINED IN DETAIL IN BOTH THE AVAILABLE VERSIONS? Is this gonna be a fucking "oh here's some other bullshit vash never mentioned because it wasn't important and it takes place long before all the other characters you actually like were born?" WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANNA SEE THAT?
This sucks fam. This sucks and I fucking hate it, and I severely doubt it will somehow magically stop sucking by the time it's released.
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Also gog DAM the fucking 3d Cell shaded PS3 Cutscene Style sucks. So fucking weird and choppy and plastic. I hated it in RWBY, I hated it in marvel's What If. I FUCKING hated the poorly diguised version of it in Dorohedorodorowhathefuckerver AND I FUCKING HATE IT HERE.
It looks tonally entirely in keeping with what Nightow is interested in as far as his storytelling, and that's really all I care about in judging whether it's aligned with any prior precedent. Nothing I have said points to a value judgement on my part one way or another, just that I don't think it's unrecognizable at all.
As someone deeply invested in Nightow's storytelling, you're wrong. Everything I'm looking at here feels like a lobotomized version of something I love.
The existence of the Previous iterations are WHY this has me so fucking pissed!
If you're gonna tell me "Hey we're making Trigun" I'm allowed to call out when the thing delivered doesn't look, sound act or meaningfuly resemble Trigun in any way.
Oh believe me I'm not judging. I just love seeing the passion.
Purple
(She/Her)
So to mildly change the subject, anyone have thoughts on how this is gonna turn out?
My honest thoughts- Lum's hair looks super weird, is it like, gelatinous or something? Also curious how the whole lecherous creep protagonist deal is going to play out now that the culture has shifted from "ha ha girls get mad when you grope them" to the new norm where like... they stand there like deer in headlights maybe going "eh" and the creep protagonist is basically terrified of them.
My honest thoughts- Lum's hair looks super weird, is it like, gelatinous or something? Also curious how the whole lecherous creep protagonist deal is going to play out now that the culture has shifted from "ha ha girls get mad when you grope them" to the new norm where like... they stand there like deer in headlights maybe going "eh" and the creep protagonist is basically terrified of them.
I'm gonna weigh in with a big, what precious little they show in the Trigun trailer is tonally identical to what I remember of the old anime. I'm a million times more interested in watching this than I ever was in seeing Netflix's Cowboy Bebop adaptation. My biggest worry is how they'll handle certain animation challenges like the bullet dodging which is shown but not in what I'd call the most promising way. If the animation quality stays consistent though it'll easily be the prettiest 3D anime I've ever looked at. My sister loved the old anime way more than I did and I loved it a lot, and she's amped as hell to see it.
On the subject of Urusei Yatsura I'm probably only going to watch it if my SO has nostalgia for the original run/manga. She consumed manga and anime like a wildfire growing up and has been getting me to watch new releases like this with her that I otherwise would probably never have watched myself. I don't really know much about it though so right now I can only hope the creepy lecher crap has been significantly grown out of in the event that I do end up watching it. The hair in general looks a little off from what I'd expect but with some cursory glances at old stuff it looks like they're trying a lot harder to capture the manga cover illustration style than any of the old runs were able to.
On the subject of Urusei Yatsura I'm probably only going to watch it if my SO has nostalgia for the original run/manga. She consumed manga and anime like a wildfire growing up and has been getting me to watch new releases like this with her that I otherwise would probably never have watched myself. I don't really know much about it though so right now I can only hope the creepy lecher crap has been significantly grown out of in the event that I do end up watching it. The hair in general looks a little off from what I'd expect but with some cursory glances at old stuff it looks like they're trying a lot harder to capture the manga cover illustration style than any of the old runs were able to.
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
If you missed if because you don't have Amazon Prime, Vinland Saga is coming to Netflix and HIDIVE in a few days. It's a very great and tragic Viking epic that also has a villain who sort of becomes the most compelling character while never looking to redeem his awful past action. It's great and I feel like not enough people have seen it.
Similarly; BASTARD!! Heavy Metal Dark Fantasy also just dropped on Netflix
This is… for anyone who thinks Guilty Gear and JoJo are too subtle with the references
This is… for anyone who thinks Guilty Gear and JoJo are too subtle with the references
Ludendorkk
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"Surely this will be cool and my favorite trash metal band won't become legendarily litigious sticks-in-the-mud!"
I watched that thar Bastard man.
Full disclosure: Bastard! was kind of my guilty pleasure back in late high school/early college. At the time, anime was sparse, and my girlfriend had Bastard!, the six episode OAV, bootlegged on some VHS tapes. And we both really enjoyed the show! The main character was a... bastard, and we both appreciated how it was irreverent of typical fantasy/anime tropes. We both agreed that this was the guy that would just hit Sailor Moon with a rock when she was winding up to do her latest two-minute attack animation. And, while we also both agreed the show was problematic (to say the least, like, the big "love of his life" character is an adult [hooray] who he had raised from childhood to be his lover [boooo]), it wasn't like anything else we had ever seen. And it was pretty! So a good time was had by all.
Now, the thing that made Bastard great (in my opinion) was that he was a jackass of a hero, but still a hero. This was new to me at the time! He could save the day, but he wasn't some stuffy Superman. He made quips. He defeated villains while they were monologuing. He made it clear he was not conquering and/or saving the world for reasons that were good or bad, simply that he had his own wants and desires and would see them fulfilled. He was a hero, but a selfish hero, and that was new or novel.
Nowadays, however, there is nothing unique about that. You want a selfish hero that makes quips, you have the last two decades of the Marvel cinematic universe. You want a selfish hero that wants to turn the world into his harem, you have literally every other anime protagonist. There's nothing "special" here now, and in the absence of that, you just have a bunch of weirdos flying around with giant shoulder pads.
But... okay... the six episode OAV did seem limited. Maybe expanded to further episodes, Bastard! can fill in some of the blanks, and be better than all the other franchises that stole its thunder in the intervening years.
WRONG
As someone with some measure of nostalgia for Bastard!, I did not want this to be the case, but let's be clear: Bastard!: The Netflix Original Anime (or whatever) blows goats. It expands the initial six episode story to something that is going to be at least 13 episodes (no, it does not get "as far" as the OAV inside of its first season run of episodes), but adds nothing. I presume this is all still based on the same original manga (which I have not read), but knowing the OAV and then watching the expanded anime proves that brevity is the source of wit. And that's me saying this! A guy who has managed to wring a whole paragraph out of the concept of "cynical hero"! The OAV obviously identified what didn't need to be there, and cut it for time. The anime has no such constraints, and spends whole episodes just puttering around with nonsense like "oh maybe Dark Schneider is going to flip out and kill everybody in the second episode". Newsflash, dumbasses, no one would ever buy that happening, and it adds nothing to the character! We already know he's a bastard! It's the title!
For anyone that is familiar with the OAV, and wants to know if anything relevant was added: we now include two new "sub" generals before the vampire fight, and, surprise, they're both women wizards who eventually fall for D.S. He metaphorically has sex with both of them, but not for realsy reals, because of whacky hijinks. Have to keep that character that may as well be described as a literal sex god virginial for some reason. Other than that, it is exactly what happens in the OAV up to D.S. tearing his own heart out, and nothing more. We'll save the conclusion to that cliffhanger for Season 2.
And you may ask "well, if everything else is the same, how does that more than double the episode length"? Well, the fights have been expanded to Dragon Ball Z-esque lengths of posturing and one-upping attacks. And, as an added bonus, with all the "new attacks", there is a constant, eternal audience of helpful townsfolk, knights, and ninja that explain every attack and why it is risky and how this fight is going to go but OH MY OZZIE it doesn't go exactly that way and things change from the narration of five minutes ago. Who would have expected such a thing!?!!?
Anyway, tldr of Bastard!: it was already a problematic, dated kind of show, and this new expansion did nothing to fix the already preexisting problems, and added a whole host of the worst excesses of the genre. Do not recommend.
Full disclosure: Bastard! was kind of my guilty pleasure back in late high school/early college. At the time, anime was sparse, and my girlfriend had Bastard!, the six episode OAV, bootlegged on some VHS tapes. And we both really enjoyed the show! The main character was a... bastard, and we both appreciated how it was irreverent of typical fantasy/anime tropes. We both agreed that this was the guy that would just hit Sailor Moon with a rock when she was winding up to do her latest two-minute attack animation. And, while we also both agreed the show was problematic (to say the least, like, the big "love of his life" character is an adult [hooray] who he had raised from childhood to be his lover [boooo]), it wasn't like anything else we had ever seen. And it was pretty! So a good time was had by all.
Now, the thing that made Bastard great (in my opinion) was that he was a jackass of a hero, but still a hero. This was new to me at the time! He could save the day, but he wasn't some stuffy Superman. He made quips. He defeated villains while they were monologuing. He made it clear he was not conquering and/or saving the world for reasons that were good or bad, simply that he had his own wants and desires and would see them fulfilled. He was a hero, but a selfish hero, and that was new or novel.
Nowadays, however, there is nothing unique about that. You want a selfish hero that makes quips, you have the last two decades of the Marvel cinematic universe. You want a selfish hero that wants to turn the world into his harem, you have literally every other anime protagonist. There's nothing "special" here now, and in the absence of that, you just have a bunch of weirdos flying around with giant shoulder pads.
But... okay... the six episode OAV did seem limited. Maybe expanded to further episodes, Bastard! can fill in some of the blanks, and be better than all the other franchises that stole its thunder in the intervening years.
WRONG
As someone with some measure of nostalgia for Bastard!, I did not want this to be the case, but let's be clear: Bastard!: The Netflix Original Anime (or whatever) blows goats. It expands the initial six episode story to something that is going to be at least 13 episodes (no, it does not get "as far" as the OAV inside of its first season run of episodes), but adds nothing. I presume this is all still based on the same original manga (which I have not read), but knowing the OAV and then watching the expanded anime proves that brevity is the source of wit. And that's me saying this! A guy who has managed to wring a whole paragraph out of the concept of "cynical hero"! The OAV obviously identified what didn't need to be there, and cut it for time. The anime has no such constraints, and spends whole episodes just puttering around with nonsense like "oh maybe Dark Schneider is going to flip out and kill everybody in the second episode". Newsflash, dumbasses, no one would ever buy that happening, and it adds nothing to the character! We already know he's a bastard! It's the title!
For anyone that is familiar with the OAV, and wants to know if anything relevant was added: we now include two new "sub" generals before the vampire fight, and, surprise, they're both women wizards who eventually fall for D.S. He metaphorically has sex with both of them, but not for realsy reals, because of whacky hijinks. Have to keep that character that may as well be described as a literal sex god virginial for some reason. Other than that, it is exactly what happens in the OAV up to D.S. tearing his own heart out, and nothing more. We'll save the conclusion to that cliffhanger for Season 2.
And you may ask "well, if everything else is the same, how does that more than double the episode length"? Well, the fights have been expanded to Dragon Ball Z-esque lengths of posturing and one-upping attacks. And, as an added bonus, with all the "new attacks", there is a constant, eternal audience of helpful townsfolk, knights, and ninja that explain every attack and why it is risky and how this fight is going to go but OH MY OZZIE it doesn't go exactly that way and things change from the narration of five minutes ago. Who would have expected such a thing!?!!?
Anyway, tldr of Bastard!: it was already a problematic, dated kind of show, and this new expansion did nothing to fix the already preexisting problems, and added a whole host of the worst excesses of the genre. Do not recommend.
Bastard!!'s author has never formally cancelled or ended the series, but it's been over a decade since there has been any new material, and long before that point the schedule was sporadic at best. Hagiwara realized he could put out an explicitly pornographic doujin or art anthology whenever he felt like it and suffer no kind of career downturn for it, because that was what the series was a vehicle for from the start and nothing more. He learned his trade from porn artists and sold his sexual preferences under the guise of a serial narrative that is nothing but a parade of kinks and pretext for the titillation. It's incredible that it has been latched onto as a work of mass popularity and now revival when its very existence rejects any kind of reason for being except the surface exploitation. The man should gorge himself on pornography as that's what his sensibilities and skillset are suited for--trying to glean any kind of story worth following from Bastard!! however was never possible.