Tomm Guycot
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Both Anno and his wife have said Mari is not his wife.
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Both Anno and his wife have said Mari is not his wife.
Are you talking aboutI watched the first hour+ a few days ago but had to go to bed for work and I work 12 hour shifts so, basically, I'll finish it today! BUT! I do have two things to say for now:
1) That opening scene was one of the most embarrassing things I've seen in my life. I was literally cringing the entire time. The next thing that happened had me cringing too, but it ended up going somewhere I was okay with.
2) Dear fucking sweet LORD, the "fan service"?! They're FOURTEEN...going into it I felt like this was gonna be a hard-to-recommend movie even if I ended up liking it but this sureeeeee doesn't help!
This reconciliation and explanation of character motivations was one of my favorite bits of the film because I find it utterly fascinating when a creator like this really takes a careful look at what they've made, absorbs criticisms and feedback in an earnest way, and then goes back and tries to fix all those things that didn't make sense. Not necessarily to scrub those points of confusion out of existence, but to carefully decide how to best explain what was going on a second time.
That's not a flaw. Shinji is pointedly moving on with someone he has no real baggage with.Like I don't even remember Shinji or Mari ever even TALKING to each other before this movie? But then that happened?!
I don't think you quite get what I'm saying here? What I believe is happening and what you believe is happening is likely fundamentally pretty similar. You're just not picking up what I'm writing. The core ideas here of the films I do believe was planned from the start. However I feel that the execution of those ideas is what's likely gone through an extended editing process. There is a sense of clarity in the script and exposition in 3+1 that's just never been in any of Anno's previous works that tells me he spent a lot of effort to make sure that this time around the themes that were important to him weren't lost in the shuffle like normal. As much as alienation of Shinji and thus the viewer was important for setting the stage of 3.0 and carrying through the themes of the back-half of the TV show, I highly doubt that it was intended that viewers be so confused that they wouldn't even understand the underlying themes to begin with. I very intentionally avoided the use of the word 'retcon' because that's not what's going on. But rather, 3+1 is giving us additional context with which to better appreciate what was even going on in 3.0. Kind of like how Kill Bill vol 2 gives the viewers a lot of additional context and explanation for a better appreciation of what happened in Kill Bill vol 1. The only difference is that was clearly the plan for Tarantino all along, and there's zero chance the movie that became 3+1 was the exact same ideas that were floating about in Anno's head coming off of 3.0 NINE years ago, because that's not how human beans work, and we generally know what his mindset was inbetween productions.In short, I do not feel like the difference between 3 & 4 is some matter of retcon or "taking feedback": a lot of what you are describing seems very much planned from the start.
That's the thing though. He wasn't really responsible for anything that was happening. He was a 14yo kid who was just doing what the adults in the room were asking him to do, and he was just trying his best to be helpful and to save a girl he cared for who was in distress in front of him. And that's especially when he's kept completely in the dark about the nature of the thing that he's piloting or the high stakes ramifications of what happens when this or that combines. Misato knew what was going on re: Third Impact, but she still shouted encouragement towards Shinji to have him carry out the Third Impact nonetheless because she believed in him. So it's baffling that she's suddenly seems to have forgotten all of that context in 3.0 and is blaming Shinji and being an ass to him despite her knowing better. 3+1 tells us she didn't forget, and in fact she was secretly putting up walls to protect Shinji from herself and the rest of what they were doing, but it went and backfired spectacularly. But without anything in 3.0 so much as hinting at this, we as viewers have no idea that this was the plan or the motivations in 3.0.Shinji kinda sorta destroyed the world at the end of 2, and the audience needs to feel the consequences of that in the same way Shinji confusedly drifts from faction to faction.
Both Anno and his wife have said Mari is not his wife.
WE WILL RETURN TO THIS TOPIC SHORTLY, THANK YOUThat's not a flaw. Shinji is pointedly moving on with someone he has no real baggage with.
So I watched it too and I'm still thinking about it, still trying process what all happened, but the short of what I'm thinking is that this is probably the best ending NGE could ever get.
- I have no idea what Kaji is supposed to represent. Like...he stopped 3rd Impact? How? Is there a switch? He was...working for Kaworu? What? I don't know, fuck it.
In you text field, you have five options in the upper left (Remove formatting, bold,...) after the five symbols, you have three vertical dots. Click on them. You will get five new symbols below the original ones. The last one, which looks like a mask, is called "Inline Spoiler", and is used for that kind of spoilers.How do y'all do the hidden text in teh highlight blobs?
I like your read on this, but I can't really subscribe to it. At least not in full. And one of the reasons is context. One of the fundamental aspects of the Rebuild movies is that one of the primary things they do and exist for is to comment on the themes, motifs, and characterizations of the TV show. And Shinji "getting what he wants" doesn't really do that. Because in the show, Shinji doesn't even really know what he wants. The fact that he does know what he wants in the Rebuild movies is a big departure from the original, and that he has the drive and the courage to proactively try to get what he wants I see as positive character growth and not in any way a negative. What I do think the Rebuild movies do, is that they're also critiques of the audience. Shinji "getting what he wants, but not really, learn to accept suffering" doesn't quite do that. But Shinji not indulging in any of the mopey behavior that fans have shit on him and the show for endlessly over the years, but it still not changing any of the events, I always thought was interesting meta commentary. It's really as if Anno was saying, "Hey, don't shit on my mans just because he's depressed and has issues. That's not why bad things happen to him."I calmly disagree with WH's take of 3, because I certainly understood the themes loud and clear.
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