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Two will enter, one will leave: The Thunderdome Thunderdome
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Olli
(he/him)
The first one is tough. Both are tough fighters capable of doing fast damage.
Ultimately, I'd say it goes for Josuke given his ability to think laterally and defeat superhuman opponents in turnabout matches.
Missile wins egg, easy.
Sword wolf can handle a few hits and that's all Hammer Bros can dish out.
Ultimately, I'd say it goes for Josuke given his ability to think laterally and defeat superhuman opponents in turnabout matches.
Missile wins egg, easy.
Sword wolf can handle a few hits and that's all Hammer Bros can dish out.
bros vs big beast:
I think the only way the Bros could win is by staying out of range and stun-locking Sif. But Sif can move at a good speed and cover a lot of the battlefield with his attacks so that strategy probably isn't enough for the Bros to take down the wolf. And unlike Sif the Bros don't have much mobility so I don't think they'd be able to dodge the wolf's attacks. Even if they did try to surround him I still think he'd focus his attacks on one of them at a time and then they would both go down in short order. Sif wins.
I think the only way the Bros could win is by staying out of range and stun-locking Sif. But Sif can move at a good speed and cover a lot of the battlefield with his attacks so that strategy probably isn't enough for the Bros to take down the wolf. And unlike Sif the Bros don't have much mobility so I don't think they'd be able to dodge the wolf's attacks. Even if they did try to surround him I still think he'd focus his attacks on one of them at a time and then they would both go down in short order. Sif wins.
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dog versus egg*:
Does Speedy have any way to bust ghosts or affect a ghost dog? Even if he did I still think Missile's powers would just disrupt and stymie Speedy's usual puzzle solving approach far more than the little egg-guy could handle. Missile wins.
*Not Shen
Does Speedy have any way to bust ghosts or affect a ghost dog? Even if he did I still think Missile's powers would just disrupt and stymie Speedy's usual puzzle solving approach far more than the little egg-guy could handle. Missile wins.
*Not Shen
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Missile and Sif win their respective fights for sure.
Korra and Josuke is such a great matchup though. I think I'm a little too rusty on what Josuke is capable of because it seems to me the only bending he couldn't take advantage of with his Stand is Air; Water is solid enough matter I think he could use it, but Fire I'm not so sure about. I will delay my vote on this match up and perhaps I will read some synopsis of JoJo Part 4 to refresh my memory.
Korra and Josuke is such a great matchup though. I think I'm a little too rusty on what Josuke is capable of because it seems to me the only bending he couldn't take advantage of with his Stand is Air; Water is solid enough matter I think he could use it, but Fire I'm not so sure about. I will delay my vote on this match up and perhaps I will read some synopsis of JoJo Part 4 to refresh my memory.
Yeah, first match is a nice even one. I could say a lot about Korra but for the most part Johnny already said it. I'm less familiar with Josuke, but I think Korra could find the elements that work better against his defenses and hit him hard enough to pull off the win.
Hammer Bros are scary if you're a regular squishy person, but I'm pretty sure giant wolf can shrug off a few regular-size hammers while closing in and taking them out with giant sword.
Regular size doggy, though, is all you need to sit on an egg.
Hammer Bros are scary if you're a regular squishy person, but I'm pretty sure giant wolf can shrug off a few regular-size hammers while closing in and taking them out with giant sword.
Regular size doggy, though, is all you need to sit on an egg.
Diamond is unbreakable but is it unbendable? :
Shining Crazy Diamond's ability is to restore items to their previous / pristine state. Josuke just takes advantage of that by breaking things on purpose and then reforming them back to their normal state at opportune but unexpected moments. But his Stand is a close range stand so he struggles against long-range attacks if he can't find some way to send them back against those opponents or exploit some other weakness that the enemy has. I'm struggling to think of a way that Josuke could do that against Korra but I guess that just means I'm not as creative as Araki. I think Josuke could win but he would have to act far more quickly and aggressively than I think he would in this situation. A barrage of long-range bending attacks eventually wear Josuke down and knock him out. A somewhat beat up* Korra emerges victorious.
*Josuke will manage to get some hits in because of the reasons that others have mentioned.
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*Josuke will manage to get some hits in because of the reasons that others have mentioned.
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
Except for the times he turned people into a book and a rock forever. Never really explained how they survived that...
They're G's but they weren't Go's. Which I guess is what made the difference? *shrug*
He broke the rock around Angelo and then reformed it around him. Yeah, I'm not sure how he survived that either. And even if he did survive then wouldn't he have died of starvation or thirst eventually?
... Shit. Did Josuke go around and feed and water Angelo so he would be stuck in his unending tormented existence until he died of old age?
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Oh. I had forgotten about the book guy. That is pretty inconsistent with what Crazy Diamond's power is "supposed" to be / do. I got nothing there other than the cop out of saying the effects of powers in JJBA stories can vary wildly and drastically, often existing just for the sake of narrative and being forgotten or ignored as necessary for the story.
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Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
Take your time. I will say, I'm glad people are enjoying this. I am the kind of nerd who likes debating ______ vs. ________. Especially when it doesn't come down to a fist fight and we ask "what does it look like or mean when these two characters for whom violence is not a strong suit are opposed and why would they be". It's always a fun space to play in Mogri.
Kinda feel Y'shtola got the short shrift. She is damn powerful and a thinking combatant. FFXIV however, has had her and the Scions as mere candles to the WoL's inferno, and she gets used for that predominately. The Endwalker penultimate battle and her Stormblood Steppe scenario however did show she can hold her own against powerful and mobile combatants.
Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad you're all enjoying this; I've loved reading your analysis.
You had a hard time calling the first match, but Korra ended up ahead by a hair. As for the other matches, the dogs have their day: Sif and Missile take their respective matches.
vs
Whitney's Miltank (Pokémon GSC)
Defeated: Rush
Rollout, Stomp, Attract and Milk Drink.
Droopy the Dog (Hanna-Barbera, et al.)
Defeated: Bugs
Anvils and aloofness.
vs
Haruhi Suzumiya (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
Deleted: Samus
Schoolgirl/cosmic force.
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Defeated: Wolverine
Assistant to the galactic emperor.
vs
Darkwing Duck
Defeated: Shaq
Batman, except duck.
Mothman
Defeated: Bomberman
Bigfoot, except moth.
Votes due by end of day Sunday, November 19. I'm traveling most of this week.
You had a hard time calling the first match, but Korra ended up ahead by a hair. As for the other matches, the dogs have their day: Sif and Missile take their respective matches.
Whitney's Miltank (Pokémon GSC)
Defeated: Rush
Rollout, Stomp, Attract and Milk Drink.
Droopy the Dog (Hanna-Barbera, et al.)
Defeated: Bugs
Anvils and aloofness.
Haruhi Suzumiya (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
Deleted: Samus
Schoolgirl/cosmic force.
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Defeated: Wolverine
Assistant to the galactic emperor.
Darkwing Duck
Defeated: Shaq
Batman, except duck.
Mothman
Defeated: Bomberman
Bigfoot, except moth.
Votes due by end of day Sunday, November 19. I'm traveling most of this week.
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Droopy defeated a pretty tough bull in the
Señor Droopy cartoon but he wasn't able to do that until the end. So I think Miltank will drop Droopy down to his last few HP but Droopy will pull out a surprise move at the end and defeat the bovine Pokémon and then make her provide Moomoo Milk for his children. I'm thinking he can surprise Miltank by making her Rollout into a concealed anvil (or some other immovable object) and then use one of his many Fighting type moves to finish her off while she is stunned / flinched. Droopy wins.
Señor Droopy cartoon but he wasn't able to do that until the end. So I think Miltank will drop Droopy down to his last few HP but Droopy will pull out a surprise move at the end and defeat the bovine Pokémon and then make her provide Moomoo Milk for his children. I'm thinking he can surprise Miltank by making her Rollout into a concealed anvil (or some other immovable object) and then use one of his many Fighting type moves to finish her off while she is stunned / flinched. Droopy wins.
Purple
(She/Her)
I straight up cannot envision how Droopy vs. a miltank would possibly play out so pass there.
Haruhi's whole deal doesn't give her any sort of advantage in a fight whatsoever, just friends with handy skills, and we've been committed to these being one on one encounters with anyone else who's all power of friendship, so we've just got a somewhat bullying highschooler vs. Darth Vader. Samus somehow lost in a similar matchup largely on the logic that she'd just refuse to fight such a one-sided battle on principle, but uh...
Vader wins. But I think we all know this is how Haruhi would want to go.
And Mothman feels like something Darkwing Duck would be able to handle. They had a Twin Peaks parody, he can handle weird. Again, more competent than you'd figure him for.
Haruhi's whole deal doesn't give her any sort of advantage in a fight whatsoever, just friends with handy skills, and we've been committed to these being one on one encounters with anyone else who's all power of friendship, so we've just got a somewhat bullying highschooler vs. Darth Vader. Samus somehow lost in a similar matchup largely on the logic that she'd just refuse to fight such a one-sided battle on principle, but uh...
Vader wins. But I think we all know this is how Haruhi would want to go.
And Mothman feels like something Darkwing Duck would be able to handle. They had a Twin Peaks parody, he can handle weird. Again, more competent than you'd figure him for.
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
Droopy is pretty dang strong. Cartoon logic will pull him through, though by that logic, because Miltank is neither a jerk nor arrogant as far as I can tell, it won't be as easy as some battles.
Still not sure how Haruhi logic works. If her power comes to her rescue when in danger, Giornio Giovanni-style, then Haruhi wins. If not, then Vader likely wins... unless he makes the mistake of trying to get her to join the dark side based on her reality powers. But I feel that's unlikely. She has power but he can tell that whatever is strong with her, it's not the force. Still, can anyone clarify when Haruhi's reality rewriting powers trigger?
Darkwing takes it. I feel like the Mothman's vague future reading or mind-reading powers give him an initial edge but most Darkwing antagonists have an initial edge in addition to Darkwing usually tripping over his own ego or insecurity. I get the feeling the future reading stuff isn't specific enough to be some sort of perfect defense but Darkwing is in a wiggly cartoon logic space; not as overtly silly and therefore powerful as Droopy but more than a non-cartoon dude. If the Mothman can read minds, he will suffer initially, I imagine Darkwing will try to keep the Mothman out through sheer force of will... and fail. We'll see a visual of what is going on in his head. But Darkwing's willpower isn't what's strongest... it's his ego. In a visual gag, I giant version of him representing his narcissism/ego will simply stand in front of the place that represents Darkwing's mind and keep him from reading it. Darkwing wins by thinking about himself.
Still not sure how Haruhi logic works. If her power comes to her rescue when in danger, Giornio Giovanni-style, then Haruhi wins. If not, then Vader likely wins... unless he makes the mistake of trying to get her to join the dark side based on her reality powers. But I feel that's unlikely. She has power but he can tell that whatever is strong with her, it's not the force. Still, can anyone clarify when Haruhi's reality rewriting powers trigger?
Darkwing takes it. I feel like the Mothman's vague future reading or mind-reading powers give him an initial edge but most Darkwing antagonists have an initial edge in addition to Darkwing usually tripping over his own ego or insecurity. I get the feeling the future reading stuff isn't specific enough to be some sort of perfect defense but Darkwing is in a wiggly cartoon logic space; not as overtly silly and therefore powerful as Droopy but more than a non-cartoon dude. If the Mothman can read minds, he will suffer initially, I imagine Darkwing will try to keep the Mothman out through sheer force of will... and fail. We'll see a visual of what is going on in his head. But Darkwing's willpower isn't what's strongest... it's his ego. In a visual gag, I giant version of him representing his narcissism/ego will simply stand in front of the place that represents Darkwing's mind and keep him from reading it. Darkwing wins by thinking about himself.
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Same here.
Harui's power works like Discworld's Narrativium, except what happens is what Harui thinks is appropriate. So she wins because Vader is right up there with a JRPG Dark Lord/Demon King, which means a hero shining with rightiousness and a holy sword smites him after a protracted battle with lots of spells and a final blow that disintegrates the Sith lord. The Sword of Erdrick lays low the wicked.
Droopy will win because every time Milktank tries to hit him it will ram itself into anything BUT. Its trainer withdraws from battle thinking Droopy is a pokémon using Kinesis or Secret Power so much it's untouchable.
Darkwing defeats Mothman using a giant light bulb atop St. Canard Tower to lure him into a cage.
Droopy will win because every time Milktank tries to hit him it will ram itself into anything BUT. Its trainer withdraws from battle thinking Droopy is a pokémon using Kinesis or Secret Power so much it's untouchable.
Darkwing defeats Mothman using a giant light bulb atop St. Canard Tower to lure him into a cage.
Olli
(he/him)
Vader wins just because I think he's the more interesting choice. Sorry, that's all I got.
Droopy will absolutely trash anyone who's not significantly tougher than a single pokemon, or able to outwit him somehow, and Whitney's Miltank is as basic as you get.
In SMT games, Mothman is pretty consistently weak to Gun damage, and slightly less consistently to electricity and/or force damage. I'm pretty sure Darkwing can figure out something with those and zap / blast Mothman to submission.
Droopy will absolutely trash anyone who's not significantly tougher than a single pokemon, or able to outwit him somehow, and Whitney's Miltank is as basic as you get.
In SMT games, Mothman is pretty consistently weak to Gun damage, and slightly less consistently to electricity and/or force damage. I'm pretty sure Darkwing can figure out something with those and zap / blast Mothman to submission.
I feel like Miltank is a pretty happy-go-lucky but not very bright sort of combatant who just has no idea how much damage she's putting out. As such, Droopy will be off-guard at first and take a beating, but eventually pull himself together and pull something off with anvils to KO the cow.
Similarly, Darkwing will be disoriented by Mothman at first and probably take some licks (I could see him getting picked up and dropped a whole bunch), but will eventually regroup and find a clever way to contain the cryptid, probably with some sort of giant bug zapper (combining Daikaiju and Olli's ideas).
As usual, Haruhi is a problem. Vader is obviously a Dark Lord who "should" be beaten, but I'm not sure if that in itself is enough. With no friends or outside assistance, there's not much on hand to beat him with, and I she's not going to just manifest weapons 'cause that'd screw with the whole "doesn't know she's magic" angle. But there's another angle, she could think about an "enemies to friends" narrative, which seems highly unlikely, and yet... Luke was right in the end, there is good in him. Could she somehow tap into it and slide into a reality where Anakin becomes her grumpy uncle or something? Seems like a stretch for a rando Japanese high school girl he has no previous connection to, but again it's a question of just how well her nebulous powers work out. I dunno.
Similarly, Darkwing will be disoriented by Mothman at first and probably take some licks (I could see him getting picked up and dropped a whole bunch), but will eventually regroup and find a clever way to contain the cryptid, probably with some sort of giant bug zapper (combining Daikaiju and Olli's ideas).
As usual, Haruhi is a problem. Vader is obviously a Dark Lord who "should" be beaten, but I'm not sure if that in itself is enough. With no friends or outside assistance, there's not much on hand to beat him with, and I she's not going to just manifest weapons 'cause that'd screw with the whole "doesn't know she's magic" angle. But there's another angle, she could think about an "enemies to friends" narrative, which seems highly unlikely, and yet... Luke was right in the end, there is good in him. Could she somehow tap into it and slide into a reality where Anakin becomes her grumpy uncle or something? Seems like a stretch for a rando Japanese high school girl he has no previous connection to, but again it's a question of just how well her nebulous powers work out. I dunno.
So would Darkwing have access to any of his vehicles for this fight? The mobility of his Ratcatcher motorcycle would help him a lot and his Thunderquack aircraft would let him fight on Mothman's turf. But would he need Launchpad to fly the latter?
Oddly, OG Launchpad had no issues flying the Thunderquack. Plus he wasn't bad pilot, he just had a penchant for going down with the plane when things went sideways, ensuring a properly spectacular crash... and surviving it.
Maybe she could remind him of Ahsoka? That's about all I could think of.
Darkwing is strong with the Toon Force but I don't think he's strong enough. Maybe if he was affected by the bad luck curse again then he would be the disaster and that could mess with Mothman's disaster foresight. Also, if Mothman's ability was like Boingo / Mondatta's from JJBA then maybe that would allow Darkwing to surprise him and win. Maybe it would have something to do with sound waves? Some moths are deaf but have wing scales that absorb sound as a way to keep the moths safe from bats that use echolocation.
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I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I'm finding it hard to buy what I have come up with as an explanation for how DW could win. I know Darkwing often takes some licks but then gets dangerous to make a comeback by the end of the episode. But I don't think that strategy is going to serve him well in this fight. Now what I think will happen is Mothman will toss Darkwing around a bunch and eventually toss him out of bounds. DW will slowly rise up all filled with determination and will be about to say his catchphrase but will be stopped by a ref telling him that he's been disqualified. DW's face will comically drop and he'll be crestfallen for a second until he remembers that this is a double elimination tournament. He'll dash off one of his variable catchphrases and then disappear via smoke bomb. Mothman is declared the winner.
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I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I'm finding it hard to buy what I have come up with as an explanation for how DW could win. I know Darkwing often takes some licks but then gets dangerous to make a comeback by the end of the episode. But I don't think that strategy is going to serve him well in this fight. Now what I think will happen is Mothman will toss Darkwing around a bunch and eventually toss him out of bounds. DW will slowly rise up all filled with determination and will be about to say his catchphrase but will be stopped by a ref telling him that he's been disqualified. DW's face will comically drop and he'll be crestfallen for a second until he remembers that this is a double elimination tournament. He'll dash off one of his variable catchphrases and then disappear via smoke bomb. Mothman is declared the winner.
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Miltank vs. Droopy:
Miltank will try using Rollout against Droopy, but he will just dodge it by casually walking as if he doesn't even notice her. This will enrage her, and so she'll try rollout again, to the exact same result. She'll keep this up until she accidentally hits a tree and a beehive falls on her head. Finally, Droopy will take one look at the camera, say something incredibly funny, and then walk off frame as if nothing happened. Game point goes to Droopy
Haruhi vs. Vader:
I still have no idea how Haruhi works, even with all these explanations, but I'm going to assume that she'll accidentally misapply her powers to make Vader hot, which will not help her at all. Vader will sense the danger of a direct confrontation, and opt to find some weird, psychological means of achieving a non-violent victory.(Abstaining from voting here because I have no confidence in this particular scenario.) EDIT: Purple's reply has given me the confidence to vote for Vader here.
Darkwing Duck vs Mothman:
DW would need his friends to bail him out of getting immediately grabbed by Mothman and carried away into parts unknown (or at least the nearest body of water). Without his friends, his story here would not have an Act 2 or 3.
Miltank will try using Rollout against Droopy, but he will just dodge it by casually walking as if he doesn't even notice her. This will enrage her, and so she'll try rollout again, to the exact same result. She'll keep this up until she accidentally hits a tree and a beehive falls on her head. Finally, Droopy will take one look at the camera, say something incredibly funny, and then walk off frame as if nothing happened. Game point goes to Droopy
Haruhi vs. Vader:
I still have no idea how Haruhi works, even with all these explanations, but I'm going to assume that she'll accidentally misapply her powers to make Vader hot, which will not help her at all. Vader will sense the danger of a direct confrontation, and opt to find some weird, psychological means of achieving a non-violent victory.
Darkwing Duck vs Mothman:
DW would need his friends to bail him out of getting immediately grabbed by Mothman and carried away into parts unknown (or at least the nearest body of water). Without his friends, his story here would not have an Act 2 or 3.
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Purple
(She/Her)
I mean, that's not quite it, but you came WEIRDLY close to absolutely nailing it.
Huh? Interesting. This gives me enough confidence to change my abstaining to voting.
I am curious how you'd change my hypothetical scenario.