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The Human Adventure Continues: Talking About Star Trek

I find the new-new-new-new Disco outfits to be very interesting. It's like they decided between Season 3 and 4 that hey, people like the more colorful outfits, so toss the grey and get the primary colors back. It's probably the right decision. The big vertical stripe that's off-center is a weird choice to me, I would ditch it the way TNG ditched the solitary pinstripe on the shoulders. But everything else looks great.

Oh, also a weird but sensible/logical decision to use TNG color schemes for the departments instead of TOS. Burnham just looks real gucci in red. Interesting that Stamets gets to wear blue. His job description always seemed more like a yellow-shirt kind of deal, but being in the science department makes sense. Still think he woulda looked better in yellow. But I'm cool w/ it because there generally isn't many people repping blue in Star Trek. Culber is still wearing white, and I really like Disco's distinction of putting medical personnel in white. There should be more uniform color variety in general for distinguishing the different departments. This isn't TNG anymore where all the bg characters are sharing the same 20 spandex onesies, they have CBS-All Access Paramount+ money, go wild on the uniforms!

I pretty much shit my pants seeing Mariner in an Anbo-jutsu getup. This show is too good for us. I hope the brief scene in the trailer with Ransom shooting rainbows has to do with the Magicks of Megas-Tu.
 

JBear

Internet's foremost Bertolli cosplayer
(He/Him)
For folks who aren't in the Discord and may have missed it, today is the greatest day of my life-- they've made a Frinkiac for Star Trek TNG:


My freshman effort, but I expect to be using this site extensively:



I am never going to close this tab.
 
So far there is no context. I also am not assuming anything of that nature. Like, for all we know he's just being brought on as a cameo in Lower Decks or Star Trek Online. Which honestly feels like a much more likely scenario versus PIC S2 (which has been filming for a while), or his own Capt Worf show (Which we've heard Kurtzman say already there's no plans for new live action shows until one of the current ones runs its course).
 
So far there is no context. I also am not assuming anything of that nature. Like, for all we know he's just being brought on as a cameo in Lower Decks or Star Trek Online. Which honestly feels like a much more likely scenario versus PIC S2 (which has been filming for a while), or his own Capt Worf show (Which we've heard Kurtzman say already there's no plans for new live action shows until one of the current ones runs its course).
Don't go a-breaking my heart
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Oh, I'm behind

Covenant

Though I feel like more Dukat is diminishing returns at this point (and re-hashes the formula of "he tries to convince someone, usually Kira, he's a good guy but its obvious he's just the worst but somehow the episode unveils new lows"), "Covenant" is a decent episode on its own. I'm not really that interested in the Pa'Wraith religion, I did get a dark laugh out of the reveal of Dukat's brand new illegitimate baby. Not a bad episode, but despite the episode's insistence, it doesn't add much to Dukat.

It's Only a Paper Moon

Hey, its the good Vic episode. I wouldn't go as far as to say it completely justifies the previous times this character was shoved down our throat with everyone just loving this guy, he's perfectly used here in a poignant story about Nog. It does seem weird that Starfleet seems so disinterested in a new intelligence and dragging their heels on giving him rights when there was a big TNG episode about Data having a trial for his life, but other than that, it seems like characters are finally showing mild interest in the hologram with autonomy, particularly since every time that's happened before, that's kind of a big deal. But it also helps that Vic, usually presented as the guy who gives the perfect advice all the time and everyone loves him, fills his usual role here but also comes off as a good guy but also a bit flawed when he realizes he hasn't been fair to Nog in the next step in his road to recovery. I'm sure the stuff I'd much rather explore with the character is probably covered in Voyager episodes, but this does much more with the character as well as continuing the great character work on Nog.
 

Aleryn

Gravity is overrated.
Huh, that's an interesting observation. I'd agree he was more aloof in the series, but I feel he had a consistent flair of bravado with the noted philosophical traits.
 
Kirk is a lot of things, depending on what the story at the time wants to say. Sometimes he's the progenitor of 'cowboy diplomacy' that later series take the idea to pick up and run with. Other times though, he's rigidly by-the-book. Sometimes he's got this natural swagger, other times he's talking about how he was the victim of bullying at Starfleet Academy for being too bookish and timid. The caricature of Kirk that exists in the popular imagination is definitely an invented one, but I wouldn't ascribe the movies for being at any more fault for that than the original show. He's still a pretty measured, cool, calculated character with a lot of complexity and emotional depth in the films as well.
 

Fredde

Let me rock you Chaugnar Faugn
I just had a thought: In City on the Edge of Forever, could Kirk have saved the timeline by taking Edith Keeler with him to the future, instead of having to make sure she died? If she's removed from the past, that would basically count as her dying, right?
 

Aleryn

Gravity is overrated.
I like that idea for both their sake, but I'm afraid the lack of her tragic death might not have affected so many people for the better. It would be very sweet to see that alternate possibility though.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Continuing DS9. Tantalizingly close to the end.

Prodigal Daughter

An episode that follows up an O'Brien story but really is an Ezra story and its... perfectly fine. Its something of a murder mystery but on that end its not so good and as a family drama, its serviceable. But revealing Ezra's backstory a bit doesn't really make the character stronger to me.
 

Aleryn

Gravity is overrated.
Ezri is a challenge. I blame a lot of that for only being introduced and gone after one season. What I got out of that episode is she was the family 'diplomat' that had to keep peace between every one else much of the time. And maybe didn't have as much time to figure herself out as needed, and that might be reflected part in her - frankly - anxiety about the whole Dax addition to her life. Had the plates spinning okay til suddenly WHAM, you're joined. I think the writing just blames her confusion over the lack of training but to each their own.
 
I really like Ezri. I think she's inherently a lot more interesting character than Jadzia was. Jadzia being a trill is mostly just a sci-fi excuse to have a woman take on the active story role of an old man who is a wisdom dispensing, self-confident person with a yolo attitude b/c old man. (Jadzia basically bleeds naked old guy in the gym changing room energy.) Because normal women can't be those kinds of things. Which is a pretty garbage thought process that's indicative of where we were at in TV/media in the mid 90s. She walks on screen having already figured herself out, despite being recently joined. It just always seemed like the writers never fully capitalized on interesting symbote tales until Ezri where we get to more fully deal with a character confused by who they are and actively trying to sort it all out. Ezri is who Dax should have been from day one, or the story of introducing her should have come earlier in the show since the whole examine what it's like to have someone basically reincarnates should be actively explored on screen instead of just being flavor text once in a while. I get the feeling the writers of Star Trek Discovery agree with me, when their symbiote is more in the Ezri mold of having to figure themselves out versus the Jadzia I'm superwoman from day one.
 

Johnny Unusual

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I think both are fine but neither quite make the symbiont stuff work. Both have good actresses bringing a lot of life and charm to the role. But they also have the disadvantage of not having a lot of the "weighty" backstories other cast members get. They've tried by the symbiont's murderous past and Ezri's family drama but they still don't have arcs that work for me (with Jadzia/Worf being a low point. I'm more of a fan of the Worf character but Jadzia can do SO much better). But maybe Ezri's story will by the series' end.

I will say, I like the personal stuff much more than when the show tries to dig into symbiont lore, which never became interesting for me.
 
DS9 S6E22: “Valiant”

At one time I probably disagreed with this notion. But this might be one of the most distasteful and macabre, and therefore one of the worst episodes in Star Trek. Made even worse by how terrible the acting is.
 

FelixSH

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I generally agree with Wisterias take on Ezri. Jadzia is, to me, the weak member of the cast that was never really figured out. I don't mind her being introduced as fully formed as a joined person, but then you would have needed to kill her off later. I feel like they really NEEDED to kill her off, just so we can see how that change actually effects the crew, who knew the old host, but also kind of know the new one, because the symbiont is the same. Maybe do that change after the third season, so we get to know both hosts, and can really explore the change.

But yeah, I prefer Ezri to Jadzia feels too flavorless to me. She might have worked in a cast that is generally weaker, but DS9 has such a strong crew that she is drowned out by all these other colorful characters. I mean, Nog, Jake and even Rom feel like more interesting characters to me than Jadzia. But even that speaks more to how much they got out of the side characters in this show.
 

zonetrope

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I'm doing a full VOY watch-through for the first time and just finished the Scorpion two-parter (aka the one that introduces Seven of Nine). This show takes a lot of shit, and it has some really bad episodes and dud characters. But it can be really terrifying in a way no other Trek really manages. This is a smaller crew than the Enterprise, alone in a section of space where everyone, everywhere is constantly out for their heads. There's a sort of existential dread to the Dominion in DS9, but with the Federation around, the show has the tone of a political thriller. Voyager at its best feels like pure horror.

And then there's Chakotay, but can't win 'em all.
 

Johnny Unusual

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The Emperor's New Cloak

Even among the mirror episodes this is a lesser one and having it be a Quark/Rom episode somehow doesn't help. Everyone is eating all the scenery they can to keep it alive but its kind of forgettable. Also, mirror universe Vic Fontaine feels like a deliberate trolling of the fans. Its the LEAST sensical mirror universe character.
 
DS9 S6E22: “Valiant”

At one time I probably disagreed with this notion. But this might be one of the most distasteful and macabre, and therefore one of the worst episodes in Star Trek. Made even worse by how terrible the acting is.
How come? Macabre, sure, but why distasteful?
 

Büge

Arm Candy
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I'm doing a full VOY watch-through for the first time and just finished the Scorpion two-parter (aka the one that introduces Seven of Nine). This show takes a lot of shit, and it has some really bad episodes and dud characters. But it can be really terrifying in a way no other Trek really manages. This is a smaller crew than the Enterprise, alone in a section of space where everyone, everywhere is constantly out for their heads.
Did they do much with that idea, though? They always seemed to have enough resources, unless the episode revolved around their lack of resources.
 

zonetrope

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It's not so much the resources, more that hostile enemies are just constantly on their ass, and many of the neutral civilizations the crew encounters are extremely distrustful of them. The territory feels very consistently unfriendly in a way you don't really get in the series set in Federation space. The Gamma Quadrant is fairly similar in DS9, but for plot reasons they don't spend nearly as much time there.
 
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Johnny Unusual

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More DS9!

Field of Fire

A pretty generic thriller story with a Silence of the Lambs inspired gimmick. Its not bad but man, the solution just... sucks. Its pretty dependent on making massive jumps in conclusions, racism (on fictional races) and ethical breaches that would be interesting if the show wasn't that interested in sidestepping it. The premise of a sniper with a magic bullet is interesting but I feel like the idea came before the solution and no one bothered to crack the solution in a satisfying way.

Chimera

Turns out a changeling doesn't have to be a Founder to suuuuck. Not a bad episode, certainly better than the last, focusing on a new character who, due to terrible life experiences, is terribly anti-social. Decent enough Odo episode and touching on something introduced way back in the day. But this one isn't going to stick with me.

Badda-Bing Badda-Bang

The writers are really all in on Fontaine to a degree that is baffling. Its not even like I hate Vic, I'm just confounded why they make everyone who isn't Worf love Vic so much. As the heist segment goes, its... alright. They do the big thing which is to lay out the plan and then have things go wrong and force the characters to come up with new solutions. I've certainly seen it done a lot better. Really, the most interesting thing is a conversation where Sisko discusses his concerns romanticizing an era that was a lot less tolerant than the holosuite version and Kassidy believing that its OK to have a better fantasy version, which is more interesting to me than "will Vic keep his pretend bar?"

Also, Bashir does nothing Ezri couldn't have done anyway.
 
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