• Welcome to Talking Time's third iteration! If you would like to register for an account, or have already registered but have not yet been confirmed, please read the following:

    1. The CAPTCHA key's answer is "Percy"
    2. Once you've completed the registration process please email us from the email you used for registration at percyreghelper@gmail.com and include the username you used for registration

    Once you have completed these steps, Moderation Staff will be able to get your account approved.

  • TT staff acknowledge that there is a backlog of new accounts that await confirmation.

    Unfortunately, we are putting new registrations on hold for a short time.

    We do not expect this delay to extend beyond the first of November 2020, and we ask you for your patience in this matter.

    ~TT Moderation Staff

The Human Adventure Continues: Talking About Star Trek

Alixsar

The Shogun of Harlem
(He/him)
Remember how Star Trek Voyager was an entire series of mid-tier TNG episodes and a handful of legitimately good ones?

Well Star Trek Enterprise is an entire series of awful TNG episodes with a handful of mid-tier ones. Good Lord. Everyone says it gets better after Season 1, and here's hoping so. I'm only like 7 or so episodes in and Captain "Good" Conservative Dad is reallylllllylyyylllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyy getting old.

The pilot was honestly not too bad, and then the phrase "temporal Cold War" came up and I was like...fuck, this is gonna be A Thing™ isn't it? Looking forward to more insanely bad ideas.

Also, I've mostly been watching it while exercising, and I take my glasses off so I don't get sweat on them, and it took me two full episodes to determine which white guy was Trip and which was Reed if they weren't talking. That was kinda fun for a while. I also enjoyed the 2nd episode where Hoshi had a crisis and in the last scene I said out loud to myself (as she was putting the slug down) "See little guy? You were a metaphor for my internal struggle this whole time" and then like...there was a line of dialogue summing that up and the credits rolled.

I laughed at how bad it was, but like...God, when does this show get good? People say Season 3...right? Please say 2, because that means it happens sooner
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
If you don't like S1, you probably won't like S2 either. Except for a handful episodes that I found just great. People who don't like the show seem to think they are just weaker versions of excellent episodes from earlier shows, though, so dunno how they will work for you. On the whole, S2 is just more of S1.

Dunno what else to say, I enjoyed the show, when I watched it a few months ago. I hope you'll find stuff to like, too.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Treachery, Faith and the Great River

A decent character-centric episode centered around Odo, Weyoun and Weyoun. There's intrigue but it is mostly in favour of a good two-hander where we get some depth into one of the show's most persistent enemies. The b-plot is silly fun, too, with Nog using his Ferengi bargaining skills to get O'Brien what he needs, but requires a lot of wheeling and dealing of resources. Its fun and actually works as a more economical version of the Jake/Nog stembolts story from early on in the series.
 

Alixsar

The Shogun of Harlem
(He/him)
Thought I just had: "This came out just after 9/11, didn't it?"

*Googles the air dates of Season 1 of Enterprise*

Okay you know what? Yeah, yup. Yup! Yeah, that checks out. I think everything makes a LOT more sense now, suddenly.
 

Lakupo

Comes and goes with the wind
(he/him)
I think ENT S2 starts off alright. I happen to like Carbon Creek, and A Night In Sickbay is at least... iconic? In good and bad ways. Minefield and Dead Stop definitely showed a lot of promise for better storytelling that did not get fulfilled until S3 and S4. Too much Rick Berman lingering around I guess.

I started watching VOY: Endgame this weekend but stopped it a few minutes in, because I wasn't sure if I wanted the Voyager rewatch to be over already. It's overall been nice fluff to watch this past year. But I've already started on Babylon 5 on HBO Max, so I've got more scifi TV to watch in the background already.
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
I find Carbon Creek to be one of my all-time favourite episodes of Star Trek. A Night in Sickbay is a personal favourite of mine, but people seem to dislike it. *shrug*

But I've already started on Babylon 5 on HBO Max
This makes me excited, I love B5. Is this your first time or a rewatch?
 
I'm rewatching Ent as well. I'm loving it. Now originally when it was new I felt same as Alixsar. I was annoyed by existence of Suliban, time wars, and the cast I thought was bad, aside from Trip and Phlox, who I loved. I thought Archer and Tpol were bad characters, badly acted.

So i watched the first season, and felt the pre-quelling was done poor, but got excited about the time war stuff, only for the 2nd half of the finale to whiff. So i bounced off and came back for back end of s3, and Xindi have same anachronistic quality as Suliban, plus the interstellar war should be with Romulans right? But s3 got me in, and s4 was a major course correction for using the prequel setting well.

The finale (terra prime) was great.
The actual finale really really sucks, but the final moments are actually beautiful.

So rewatching it now, I'm mid s2 (i missed a lot of cool eps, and first 10 are episodic, but each ep flows to next in a cool way that newer trek could learn from) and I love Archer, and I love TPol. Blalock is straight up kicking ass. I think when you have a new Vulcan, the tendency is to compare to Spock/Nimoy. But that character has a specific arc over 50 years about learning to embrace his emotions, his human side, and being more loose.

TPol is extremely racist versus humans and Archer has a giant resentment against vulcans. But as they travel around they both come around to each other, in an extremely natural way. Archer sees how you have to be more careful, thoughtful in space travel and first contacts, when to get involved. TPol learns about the rigidity of Vulcan dogma and the resourcefulness of humanity. It's totally wild. I also love when she does a sick burn, or someone says something to her and she seethes with arrogance. It's a really nuanced performance.

Oh and I straight up love the Andorians. Incredible make up, more Coombs. Wild
 
A Night in Sickbay is a personal favourite of mine, but people seem to dislike it. *shrug*
This is such a weird hang up to me. Most of the articulated opinions I've read on the internet why this is a bad episode, is because they don't like Serious Business Man Captain Archer being a Bad Starfleet Captain™️ by caring more about his 'stupid dog' instead of the huge diplomatic row he's created down on this planet.

But that's like... the point of the episode? And the show broadly in general?

Hardcore fans of Star Trek have this baseline of expectations about how a proper Starfleet Captain should conduct themselves, and get really weirdly upset at when a Captain doesn't live up to those expectations. But the thing about Archer is that he's from a place and time where nobody knew how to be Starfleet Captains yet! He's basically the first! He's like George Washington combined with Neil Armstrong. He walks into the job thinking he'll be a glorified astronaut, and he has to learn the hard way through trial and error what does and doesn't work. He doesn't have The Book to fall back on, he has to be the one who writes it. This episode was all about Archer reconciling that difference in expectations versus reality personally. That he has this kind of character development is fascinating on its own if you're open minded to it.
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Totally agreed. I mean, he could spear himself a ton of headaches, if he just listened to T'Pol a bit more. But than we wouldn't get either the weaknesses nor the strengths of Humans in the Star Trek setting, so it works out.
 

zonetrope

(he/him)
I started Lower Decks, and it's great how the silly, irreverent neo-Trek series is also the one that gets to do all of the most serious nerding out. Like, there was just a whole bit about the way people say "sen-SOR," and it made me smile so hard. I'm watching it right on the heels of slogging through Picard, and it's such a relief after all of that brooding, derivative nonsense.
 

Aleryn

Gravity is overrated.
Lower Decks was a large and welcome surprise to me. I think it made me realize I enjoy a franchise that splits their self-serious properties and humorous/self-referential stuff.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Once More Unto the Breach

A pretty decent Klingon story. I wouldn't put it as top tier but it is a welcome comeback for Kor. I tend to be more likely to like a Klingon or Ferengi story and this is a solid one.

The Siege of AR-588

This is an episode that I feel like had done a lot of what other episodes have done before, but better. Like, I feel there are elements of that episode where Jake ends up stumbling into a horrific war situation and some other episodes I can't name. But this feels like echoing the themes of those ones even better than before. I am a bit disappointed we are getting away from the John La Carre inspired Garak stories but I'm glad there are episodes like this ones about the messy ethics of war and survival. I also love the use of Quark in the episode that manages to give him more gravitas than usual but still feel very much in character. What's more, I think using a certain sound that has largely been used to comedic effect with the series up till now being one of anguish is a perfect decision, turning what is a Ferengi quirk into something more upsetting. This is probably tied for best episode with the season with Take Me Out to the Holosuite.
 

Lakupo

Comes and goes with the wind
(he/him)
This makes me excited, I love B5. Is this your first time or a rewatch?
Rewatch, although considering it had the flakiest syndication schedule ever, I'm sure I missed a few episodes here in there during the original run. And not sure how I'll feel when I get to Season 5, I might skip most of it.
 

Alixsar

The Shogun of Harlem
(He/him)
Every episode of Enterprise:

*a problem*

T'Pol: *a reasonable suggestion that plays by established Star Trek rules*

Captain "Good" Conservative: Ya know, we've changed. Humanity has grown; we've evolved. We're not some barbarians anymore, and we DEFINITELY absolutely DO NOT have a chip on our shoulder about it. In fact, we're so advanced and evolved and changed and NOT SORE ABOUT IT AT ALL that we're gonna do something crazy to prove how evolved we are!!!

T'Pol: *a reasonable suggestion that is trying to calm down Captain Conservative Dad*

Captain "Good" Conservative: I see your point...but as a Good Conservative and also a White Man, I am right. And I'll prove to you, and those aliens, how right I am!

T'Pol: ...

Captain "Good Conservative: And then if that doesn't work...I'm gonna punch the crap outta 'em *Star Trek orchestra swells*

Travis: Hello! I am The Black One™! This is my one line of dialogue this episode! I'll be back if they need someone to get hurt! Also, did you know I grew up in space? I grew in space!!!

Reed: Hello, I am barely here, and my entire character is that I am intensely private which is nice because it means the writers don't have to come up with much for me.

Trip: Hey there, I'm the only one outside of T'Pol and Captain Conservative who gets a backstory. I'm basically just a ctrl+C of Scott Bakula's character

Hoshi: I'm not really here to do much except get scared and spout made up, I dunno, maybe racist-sounding dialogue? I dunno

Phlox: Hmm yes...well, this is all pretty stupid. Haha lol

*title*

I WILL TOUCH THE SKYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

This show is kinda garbage lol. It really really is Episode From TNG/Voyager/DS9 But Worse™. I'm kinda digging it though...but like...not in the way that I enjoy Star Trek. A friend of mine and I watched this REALLY shitty medical drama a few years ago and made fun of it the whole time, and that was a fun little "project" we took on, and I'm enjoying this in the same way. It's kinda a disaster, and the good conservatism/immediately post-9/11 vibes are just like...pulsating off of this show in waves. It has an AURA; you can SEE it. So yeah that is realllllllllllllyyyyyyy not helping. Unintentionally funny, lots of stale ideas, kinda a disaster.

But hey, the episode I just watched that was a mash-up of Data's Day/In Theory/Space Irish + Space Bureaucrats starring Dr. Phlox wasn't terrible? That's progress!
 
Every episode of Enterprise:
This is a lie, because it implies Travis gets speaking lines every episode!

You're not wrong about the trends you're seeing so far, but ENT is a slow burn where 'Captain "Good" Conservative' learns to be better the hard way through painful trial and error, and slowly starts admitting to his mistakes and becoming a better person for it. It's a really good character development arc, IMO. But it's one that takes like 3+ seasons to achieve, so I don't blame any first-time viewer burning out early. Back in the day when ENT was first airing, I don't know if I ever made it through to the 2nd Season before burning out myself, and it wasn't until years later that I came back to it to give it a 2nd shot that I began to enjoy and appreciate the show more.

Travis is still a boring non-entity though. I dunno if the actor is all that great to begin with, but the show really gave him the shaft.
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
I basically agree with everything that Wisteria said. The characters in general get more interesting, as the show goes along.

But I was just happy to have a Star Trek show that felt similar to the 90s shows and that I hadn't seen (or had only seen one time, years ago).
 

Büge

Arm Candy
(she/her)
Reed: Hello, I am barely here, and my entire character is that I am intensely private which is nice because it means the writers don't have to come up with much for me.
"Also, I'm heterosexual. Like, for real heterosexual. I'm just... shy! Yeah, that's the ticket! Please don't read too much into my strong relationships with men and lack of any chemistry with women."
 
Lotta Star Trek updates today!

We got a first look at "Captain Janeway" in Star Trek: Prodigy


Prodigy will take place in 2383 in the Delta Quadrant. This Janeway won't be the original, but a command training hologram.

Star Trek: Discovery Season 4 trailer: show is slated for a 'late 2021' release.


Star Trek: Lower Decks Season 2 trailer: show is slated to premier on August 12th, and it's already been renewed for a S3.


Nothing new yet about Strange New Worlds but IIRC they just began production on that so I doubt they've got anything worth showing at this point, and we'll be lucky if the show broadcasts in 2022.
 

Aleryn

Gravity is overrated.
I'm easy, I see the near-TOS era uniforms and hear Captain Burnham and I'm there. It's not everything I'd ever want but nothing ever is. And Lower Decks has that manic energy that won me over quick. Thanks for posting the trailers in one place.
 
Top