The House of Ideas. Talking Time's 50 Favorite Marvel Characters!

[Johnny Unusual]

Now we are getting to the good stuff. I love She-Hulk so much. The Dan Slott run is great, though it ends kind of awkwardly (it feels rushed in the end and also that it tries to deal with the problematic aspect of Starfox but never actually deals with it), as is Charles Soule's run. She's a woman who gains confidence from her powers but also has to learn to not get overconfidence and also rely on her shrewd, clever nature as well as her steamrolling strength and charisma (as She-Hulk). In Slott's run, she doesn't have different personalities but in her normal form, she's reminded of her meeker self and learns to love that side and see how it informs and can amplify her strong side. She's also a proudly sexual being and joins the likes of Black Widow and Hawkeye as characters who... really get around. That said, let's forget about She-Hulk because anything Chuck Austen should not be considered canon.

Best Inhumans plan ever; to get Ms. Marvel out of hiding to discuss her Inhuman heritage, they do this.

 

[Adrenaline]

#27: Gambit

AKA: Remy LeBeau
Powers: Charges inanimate objects with energy, psychic charm
First Appearance: The Uncanny X-Men Annual #14, 1990
Created By: Chris Claremont, Jim Lee
Portrayed By: Taylor Kitsch
3 votes, 87 points (Top voter: Violentvixen (#1))

There are two types of X-Men fans, as far as I know: those who think Gambit is the coolest, and those who think he's not. There were enough of the former to get him this high on the list. Remy never had a normal life, being kidnapped shortly after his birth, and brought into the conflict between the Thieves' Guild and Assassins' Guild as he grew up. He developed into a master thief before he was an adult, and when he was eventually recruited into the X-Men not everyone trusted him. A later revelation of a connection to Mister Sinister didn't help either, but over time Gambit has done enough to generally be in good standing with his fellow mutants.

Besides charging up his staff and playing cards with pink glowing energy, Gambit is maybe best known for his relationship with fellow southerner Rogue. Things haven't always gone smoothly for the two, but she brings out the best in him, and they are currently married and on the Excalibur team together. Remy was also a member of the Marauders before he became an X-Man, and also was with X-Factor for a period.

Gambit was a regular character on the 90s animated series, which is a big part of his mainstream popularity. He appeared in X-Men Origins: Wolverine played by Taylor Kitsch, but, as it feels like I've said a hundred times now, they didn't really capture the appeal or depth of the character. I'm not the biggest Gambit fan, as it seems like they tried a bit too hard to make him cool, but he does have a visually interesting power and I think there is an emotional depth to the character that makes up for the surface sheen.

 

[WildcatJF]

I blame Capcom for my fandom of Gambit; they did too good a job at making him a super fun character in the Vs. games lol.

 

[Octopus Prime]

I was always kind of right down the middle for Gambit; but I really like him in the Krakoa Era where he’s a scoundrel instead of a scumbag, and also just… really likes his wife and takes every opportunity to point out how cool Rogue is;

 

[Violentvixen]

Gambit in the cartoon might have been my first fictional character crush. I feel like different stories bring out drastically different personalities of his and absolutely agree that some are not great.

 

[Adrenaline]

#26: Venom

AKA: Edward "Eddie" Brock, Anti-Venom, Toxin, Captain Universe
Powers: Super strength, shoots webs, clings to walls
First Appearance: The Amazing Spider-Man #298, 1988
Created By: David Michelinie, Todd McFarlane
Portrayed By: Topher Grace, Tom Hardy
3 votes, 91 points (Top voter: Beta Metroid)

This one's a bit complicated, because we're kind of dealing with two characters here. Two of the three voters specifically cited Brock on their list, so I'm approaching this as the bond between the two. It all started when Spider-Man was on another planet, participating in the original Secret Wars event, which was developed to sell a new line of toys. Part of that was him getting a new black costume, which he got out of what was essentially an alien vending machine. The suit looked cool and created its own webbing, so Peter kept it after returning to Earth, but he discarded it once he realized it was actually an alien organism that was influencing his mind. Meanwhile, Eddie Brock was a fellow journalist with a failing career, who blamed his problems on Spider-Man. He happened to be nearby contemplating suicide when the alien symbiote found him, and the two bonded over their shared hatred of the webslinger. The symbiote gave Eddie an approximation of Spider-Man's powers, and together they became Venom.

While initially a foe of Spider-Man, it wasn't too long before they evolved into more of an anti-hero, nicknamed the Lethal Protector, wanting to do good but willing to commit great violence to achieve it. Eventually they returned to outright villainy, but then Eddie and the symbiote parted ways. Eddie bonded with other symbiotes, and Venom bonded with other hosts. Over time they both returned to wanting to do good, and reunited a few years ago. Shortly thereafter, Eddie learned that all of the symbiotes were created by an evil god named Knull from the dawn of history, who intended to come and conquer Earth. In an extremely metal storyline, Venom warned the earth about the coming threat and helped fight off Knull and his hordes of alien dragons. Eddie is now connected to a hive-mind of the symbiotes and has ascended to a higher level of consciousness, and the symbiote has bonded with his son, Dylan.

I wasn't a big fan of Venom originally, and he still has kind of an off-putting X-Treme 90s edge, but starting about 10 years ago I got into the comics and ended up liking the character. It actually started with a run where the symbiote was bonded to Peter's high school bully and later rival Flash Thompson, and together they went on missions as Agent Venom. I kept reading when the symbiote returned to Eddie, and Donnie Cates' run on the book with the whole King in Black storyline is one of my favorites of the last few years. Topher Grace didn't make much impact with the character in the overstuffed Spider-Man 3, but Tom Hardy's bizarre performance and the goofy storyline in the standalone Venom movies has been quite endearing. The first one is better, because bad movies are just less fun when they're bad intentionally, but I enjoyed both of them.

 

[Vaeran]

I didn't vote for Venom and haven't seen his solo movies, but I will say that while Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3 was not a good film, I thought Topher Grace's Eddie Brock was one of the more interesting characters in the trilogy. Plenty of people see him as a miscast, but I think when you've got an aw-shucks-gee-whiz Peter Parker like Tobey Maguire's interpretation of the character, Grace's Eddie makes for an appropriate foil. He puts forth this brash, confident front but is actually intensely lonely, and inappropriately ascribes deep emotional meaning to minor personal interactions. There's a scene where he's talking to Gwen Stacy about this amazing night they had together, and she gives him a puzzled look and replies "Eddie... We had coffee." and he just looks stricken. This of course sets him up to be the perfect willing (if accidental) host for the Venom symbiote, and his utter desperation in the end to save this alien goo monstrosity just so he won't be alone was pretty affecting, I thought.

 

[estragon]

Gambit in the cartoon might have been my first fictional character crush. I feel like different stories bring out drastically different personalities of his and absolutely agree that some are not great.

I think the thing with Gambit is that a lot of writers really struggle to nail what a charming man is supposed to be like, especially writers who are not attracted to men. The biggest problem is when Gambit ends up as kind of a pick up artist fantasy instead of a character who is actually appealing. He's definitely a lot of fun when used well, though! Relatively recently, I think Kelly Thompson's Gambit was very appealing in her Rogue & Gambit and Mr. and Mrs. X series, and currently he's been used well in Tini Howard's Excalibur.

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He suffered a lot from reaching the peak of his popularity in the 90s, which was not a great time for X-books in general. No one made it out of the 90s without being involved in a lot of real sinkers. As a big fan of how Rogue is portrayed in the 80s, it's a bummer to see that replaced with her being defined primarily by her relationship with Gambit and all of this business for a long time:

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Weirdly, despite not liking their business in the 90s, I think it's been great for both characters that they let them finally get married, because it allows both characters to function better on their own, rather than repeating the same on-again-off-again beats from the 90s over and over.

 

[Octopus Prime]

Venom was a late cut to my list, thanks largely to the first Tom Hardy movie (second one was fine, but a step below), and also because I really liked Agent Venom. And like Vaeran said, Topher Grace did a surprisingly good turn as a Eddie; turning him into a self aggrandizing goobus as a foil to Pete.

 

[Octopus Prime]

It’s kind of telling that they had to make “Hypnotic Charm” one of Gambits powers because nobody could make him likeable back then.

And I’m now realizing that’s turbo creepy

 

[Issun]

Originally, Josh Holloway was rumored to be playing Gambit but that never happened. Regardless of how you feel about Lost, though, you've gotta admit that Holloway would have been a much more entertaining Gambit than Kitsch was.

 

[Octopus Prime]

Daniel Craig has proven he can be the most charming Cajun on the big screen

 

[Adrenaline]

I was interested in the Tatum project until the Disney sale killed it.

 

[Violentvixen]

I think the thing with Gambit is that a lot of writers really struggle to nail what a charming man is supposed to be like, especially writers who are not attracted to men. The biggest problem is when Gambit ends up as kind of a pick up artist fantasy instead of a character who is actually appealing.

Ooh yes this is very much it.

 

[estragon]

It’s kind of telling that they had to make “Hypnotic Charm” one of Gambits powers because nobody could make him likeable back then.

In publication history, this is there from Gambit's first appearance, when Storm is a de-aged child thief who doesn't remember the X-Men and they have thief adventures together while on the run from Nanny and The Shadow King. This is part of the same arc with a thematic focus on bodies and rebirth that follows the Siege Perilous, which sees Colossus become a painter with no recollection of his past, Psylocke's intended to be temporary time as a ninja assassin, Rogue's original personality and her absorbed Carol Danvers personality split into two distinct entities with their own bodies (in addition to the already existing Carol Danvers who was still around at the time), etc. (Storm didn't actually go through the Siege Perilous and was de-aged and amnesiac for other reasons, but it's part of a broader theme...) At this time, he's using it to do "these aren't the droids you're looking for" jedi mind trick stuff during heists.

Obviously it can mix in pretty messy ways with his post-Claremont shift to being a romantic lead, and it comes across especially poorly when Gambit is being written as a pick up artist instead of as a man who is actually appealing to readers who are into men. But I feel like if anything this gets de-emphasized over time, like how many writers forget that Jubilee has Slippery Mind psionic defenses. (I do think it's funny there are two late-Claremont rogues who took 1 feat in a minor psychic ability that were important at the time but rarely remembered later...)

 

[Adrenaline]

#25: Beast

AKA: Henry "Hank" McCoy, Kreature
Powers: Superhuman furry physique
First Appearance: X-Men #1, 1963
Created By: Stan Lee, Jack Kirby
Portrayed By: Steve Bacic, Kelsey Grammer, Nicholas Hoult
3 votes, 97 points (Top voter: Beta Metroid/Torzelbaum)

Hank McCoy is one of the original X-Men. At first he was the most normal-seeming of the bunch, having no flashy superpowers besides his enlarged body, most notably in his hands and feet. He was also very intelligent, and had a gift for chemistry and genetics. It was while doing research into mutant genetics that he altered his mutation, increasing his size and covering his body with gray fur. Due to unfortunate circumstances the change became permanent, and he found it more difficult to pass through human society. The fur soon became blue, and over time his appearance continued to change, first into a more feline appearance and then a more simian one. Through it all, Beast has continued to work with the X-Men as a doctor and member of the team.

Beast has always been an advocate for mutant rights and strove to make life better for his people. At some point he became more militant in his beliefs. I'm not certain but I think it happened shortly after the genocide of the mutant island of Genosha and the subsequent depowering of most of the remaining mutants by the Scarlet Witch. Whatever the cause, Beast has become more willing to compromise his ethics and morality in order to protect what he believes needs saving. He keeps secrets, he deceives others, and he takes crazy risks like pulling himself and the other original X-Men out of the timeline from their teenage years into the modern day to make a point. He is currently helping run the black ops X-Force team for Krakora, and he shows no signs of diverting from his current path.

Besides the X-Men, Beast has also been a member of the Avengers and Defenders. After Charles Xavier's death, Beast took his place in the secretive group called the Illuminati. After a brief televised cameo in X2, he appeared in X-Men 3, played by Frasier himself, Kelsey Grammer. I don't remember much about that movie but it's pretty good casting. The character had a more substantial role in the following X-Men movies, played by Nicholas Hoult. This casting made a bit less sense at first, but they changed his mutation to fit Hoult's physique. This version managed to create a serum that could restore his human appearance temporarily, which kinda seems to go against the point of the character, but at least the character was getting some attention. Beast was also a regular character on the 90s animated series, which again I think was a big contributor to his mainstream popularity.

 

[Octopus Prime]

Hank is one of the characters who had the most redesigns, not counting stuff like Iron Man where he has a bespoke outfit for every situation. Dude just can not pick a physiology and stick with it.

I think my favorite was in the recent Dark Ages miniseries (vastly less dark than it sounds) where he’s a very very floofy werewolf.

He’s also kind of a jackass, and arguably his greatest contribution to the X-series is introducing Abigail Brand

 

[Peklo]

There aren't very many contexts in which Hank doesn't work, but my favourite incarnation of him is definitely the '70s Steve Englehart revamp, first as a body horror transformation story, and then when he joins the Avengers and later Defenders. Englehart directly patterned Hank's characterization after his own place in life, so Hank started smoking pot which was communicated in every euphemistic way possible under the Comics Code. It's not just a "ha ha, weed" joke but served the character well in the class clown role that he'd always orbited around, now expressed more consistently when he was on a team among other supergeniuses--his social and narrative role shifted organically and compellingly as a result. This was also years before the character was consumed by unending grim angst, when life wasn't just one unending tragedy for the guy, and so the most fun Beast era also reads as the healthiest for the character.

An iconic Beast moment, however, is from the beginning of X-Factor where he bails on an university job interview by stripping naked and jumping out the window.

 

[Adrenaline]

#24: Thor

AKA: Thor Odinson, Donald Blake
Powers: Super strength, ageless, magic hammer allows flight and control of weather and electricity
First Appearance: Journey Into Mystery #83, 1962
Created By: Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Larry Lieber
Portrayed By: Eric Allan Kramer, Chris Hemsworth
5 votes, 107 points (Top voter: Issun/Olli)

We have reached another tier here on the list, as every character from this point forward earned at least 5 votes and 100 points. In the Marvel Universe, the beings worshipped as gods by the Norse people were actually aliens from a dimension known as Asgard. In their cosmology, there are ten realms connected by the world tree Yggdrasill, with Earth being known as Midgard, the land of mortals. Thor is the son of the All-Father Odin, and he spent time among the humans growing his legend as the centuries passed. In the modern era, Thor was sent to Midgard by Odin to learn humility, transformed into a normal human form known as Donald Blake. He became worthy of the hammer Mjolnir, and was able to swap between his godly Thor form and human Donald form as needed. He eventually separated from the Donald identity, which became his own person, and has a complicated relationship with his other self.

Ever since, Thor has spent as much if not more time on Midgard as in the mystical lands of his birth. He is a regular member of the Avengers, and is usually one of their heaviest hitters, protecting Earth from all kinds of threats. He also returns to Asgard to deal with godly politics and dangers of a more magical nature. There are plenty of Marvel characters who resemble Superman to varying degrees as a way of commenting on that iconic character. I think though, that if there is one character who actually fills roughly the same niche in his respective universe, it is Thor. They are both aliens with immense physical strength who came to love their new adopted home through a false, meek persona, and are able to turn the tide in battle through their incredible power. They also both have archenemies who do most of their damage through intelligence and manipulation rather than through a direct exchange of blows. It has long been established that Thor's mother is Gaea, but it has recently been suggested she might have been a human who was an early host of the Phoenix Force. Odin died, and Thor is now sitting on the throne as the All-Father of Asgard.

Thor is probably best known outside of the comics for his appearances in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, played by Chris Hemsworth. His looks make his portrayal of a godlike being believable, and he has an easy charm and sense of humor that helped make his middling first two movies enjoyable. He had more success in the Avengers movies, and Thor: Ragnarok took a goofier approach to the character and his world that worked extremely well. A fourth movie subtitled Love and Thunder is officially releasing tomorrow, but people will start seeing it today. I swear I didn't time this on purpose. I like Thor because his interactions with other Marvel characters are usually fun, and his own comics are a great opportunity for full-on epic fantasy stories. I particularly liked Jason Aaron's work on the character, which included two big elements that will appear in Love and Thunder, those being Thor's sometimes-girlfriend Jane Foster picking up the hammer and the introduction of the villainous Gorr the God Butcher.

 

[Vaeran]

Thor handily wins the Most Improved award for MCU characters. While I don't dislike his first two movies, their home in my rankings is definitely in the lower echelons, particularly The Dark World. Chris Hemsworth in the past has expressed his frustration with the limitations of his role in the early goings, likening it to being "handcuffed," and I believe that if Taika Waititi hadn't come along and re-energized the character by letting him get weird with it, we probably would not be looking at a Hemsworth-led fourth installment today. Given the missteps made in handling Thor early on, at least they made the wise move of disregarding the Donald Blake persona, which would have gotten old fast.

(This is only tangentially related, but one thing that annoys me about Endgame is that Thor's tragic and understated "....I went for the head" line after he beheads Thanos always gets a chuckle from the audience, just because it's a callback. It's not meant to be funny! Thor lashed out in a moment of empty, pointless violence because he literally didn't know what else to do. As far as he knows, the last slim chance to undo his colossal error in Infinity War has just evaporated, and he's hopeless and adrift. You dare to laugh?!?!?!)

Anyway, super excited for Love and Thunder six hours from now. I'm especially interested to see what they do with Jane Foster, as I've found her character rather blandly written in her previous outings (though Portman did the best she could with the material), but if anyone can rehabilitate her it's Waititi.

 

[Issun]

Vaeran basically said it: Thor would not be on my list without Taika Waititi. He allowed Hemsworth to go for broke and that version of Thor carried on into Infinity War and Endgame and into our hearts.

 

[Peklo]

The usual and well-earned acknowledgement that (Walter) Simonson's run on Thor is among the best the medium has ever seen. Solid characterization for Thor the individual throughout, but I'm especially fond of the issue he spends lodging with his great-grandfather, wrestling him for dinner every night and emotionally healing.

 

[Adrenaline]

#23: Professor X

AKA: Charles Xavier, X, Onslaught
Powers: Various psychic abilities
First Appearance: X-Men #1, 1963
Created By: Stan Lee, Jack Kirby
Portrayed By: Patrick Stewart, James McAvoy, Harry Lloyd
6 votes, 110 points (Top voter: Violentvixen)

A young Charles Xavier was born into wealth and privilege, but after his father's death his fortunes turned, and he left home early for a career in academics. His mutant ability gave him a great range of skills in the mental realm, but he tried to avoid abusing them for his own gain. Over the years, he had many encounters with people who would become a bigger part of his life later on. Two of the most notable are Gabrielle Haller who gives birth to his son David, and a holocaust survivor calling himself Magnus, who is less optimistic about a peaceful future with the emergence of a superhuman race that could rival humanity. He also loses the use of his legs in an encounter with an alien. Eventually, Xavier founds a school using a building he inherited, and begins training a team of young mutants. He hopes the school will keep them safe and improve their skills, and that an all-mutant superhero team will improve the public's perception of his race. And that's where the X-Men began.

Charles is a complicated figure. I believe his intentions of creating a peaceful future between humans and mutants are genuine and good, but those intentions are often belied by his actual actions. Xavier uses his powers to manipulate the minds of others for his own benefit, often more out of convenience than necessity. And the ethics of training squads of what are essentially child soldiers are questionable at best. At one point he absorbed Magneto's mind into his own, resulting in the creation of a new identity called Onslaught that ended up being a major threat to the whole planet. The X-Men were revamped with an international team in the 70s sent to rescue the original team from the mutant island of Krakoa, but a later story revealed that this was actually the second rescue team. The first, including Scott's unknown baby brother Gabriel that Xavier conveniently forgot to tell him about, was lost.

After a long history together, eventually the X-Men got tired of his crap and sent him away. He later died trying to save Scott from being corrupted by the Phoenix force. After returning to life, Xavier began executing a long gestating plan with Magneto and his old girlfriend and X-Men ally Moira MacTaggert to establish a new mutant nation on Krakoa, the same island that had previously been a prison. They recruited mutants to provide financial backing, to develop advanced medical drugs they could use to gain legitimacy with other governments, and to establish a ruling council and war leaders. They developed plants that could create portals to the island from anywhere in the galaxy that only mutants could pass through. With a combination of Mister Sinister's genetic database of mutants, Cerebro taking frequent brain scans of all citizens, and a group of mutants called the Five whose powers can combine to create viable adult bodies in a short time, they developed a program to erase the concept of death. Xavier has a new all-black costume, and creepily never takes off his Cerebro headset. The dream of peaceful coexistence with humanity is dead, and what happens next is anyone's guess.

Professor X is played by Patrick Stewart as an older man and James McAvoy as a younger man in the X-Men film series. They both do good work bringing warmth and humanity to a character whose ability to control your mind should actually be pretty frightening. The movies never really got much into the idea of Maybe Xavier Is Bad Actually, but I think it took the comics decades to start really exploring it so that's probably okay.

 

[Issun]

Obligatory

Spoiler: Dr Strange 2 Spoilers I guess

 

[Octopus Prime]

I like Chuck as a character, dude is wholly dedicated to his dream to the extent that he is willing to go down some pretty ethically iffy roads to see it through, and has even iffier plans in place for when they go awry, and you’re never quite sure if you’re supposed to be rooting for him or waggling your finger at him.

Dude keeps detailed plans of bespoke assassination plans for every co-worker and student under his care, and his latent desire to murder everybody has been so strong that it manifested as a whole separate entity several times. And he’s the Good Guy of the series.

Thor is a character who was a late cut from my list, mainly because I figured he’d rank highly regardless, though he’s always been among my favorite of the Big Marvel series (not so much as FF or Spidey, but up there). MCU Thor brings a very different personality as compared to the comic, where Hensworth brings out a really appealing Earnest Himbo in Way Over His Head energy to everything that is just a consistent delight, whereas Comic Thor rarely manages to land that; he’s generally the No Jokes guy who takes everything seriously.

Which isn’t a complaint; a Thor who takes everything very seriously is just as exciting as a Thor who takes nothing seriously.

 

[Violentvixen]

Beast and Xavier are definitely votes from me based on my main exposure to the characters which is probably 10-20 years out of date, I had no idea Xavier had left the X-men, huh. I do remember picking up a comic and seeing the more feline beast, it's an interesting redesign.

 

[estragon]

Beast and Xavier are definitely votes from me based on my main exposure to the characters which is probably 10-20 years out of date, I had no idea Xavier had left the X-men, huh.

Xavier leaving the X-Men is a tradition that goes back to the 60s!

More significantly, Xavier is also gone for the final third of the best and most formative period of X-Men comics (1975-1991), starting in issue #200 in the mid-80s (below) when Magneto takes over for him while Xavier is convalescing in space, off page, for 5 years of real life publication time.

Some of the most foundational moments in X-Men's publication history like the Mutant Massacre and Inferno events happen while Xavier is not part of the comic at all. In those panels from earlier when Betsy is consulting with Magneto about her plan to extract information from Sabretooth, for example, that's Magneto after this exchange, when he has taken over for Xavier.

 

[Adrenaline]

#22: Rocket Raccoon

AKA: Rocky
Powers: Enhanced raccoon intelligence and physiology
First Appearance: Marvel Preview #7, 1976
Created By: Bill Mantlo, Keith Giffen
5 votes, 112 points (Top voter: Issun)

Rocket comes from a planet where common animals are genetically engineered to be intelligent and capable as caretakers for the mentally ill. He eventually left the planet and became an adventurer in space. He had various sporadic encounters with characters like Hulk, and later became partners with Groot, a sentient tree creature.

He became a more regular character as a result of the Annihilation: Conquest event, when he joined a ragtag crew that successfully managed to defeat an attempt by the machine race known as the Phalanx to conquer known space. This group stuck together and became a new incarnation of the team known as the Guardians of the Galaxy, with the name taken from the original group hailing from a possible future. Rocket is the team's weapons guy, and has a reputation as one of the finest tacticians in the galaxy, making him formidable despite his lack of superpowers. He is also Groot's primary translator.

Along with the other Guardians, Rocket's fame grew exponentially as a result of the MCU films, which are laugh-out-loud funny as well as emotionally resonant when they try. Bradley Cooper really throws himself into the voice performance, creating a character who is at turns brashly humorous and vulnerable. In this version there is a more sinister tone to his transformation from a common animal into a bipedal, intelligent one, with cybernetics grafted onto his body. These elements that originated in the movies have been the template for the character's other appearances in animated series and video games, and give him some more depth.

 

[Violentvixen]

Xavier leaving the X-Men is a tradition that goes back to the 60s!

Oh, yes, that was unclear. I meant the recent leaving. Also from the summary it sounds like a rather dramatic kicking him out.

 

[Adrenaline]

Yeah it was ugly. Basically every mutant who ever lived is on Krakoa now, though.