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MANDO
- Thread starter Adrenaline
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Sprite
(He/Him/His)
Husband got Disney+ again on a lark, so I started watching this again. Always been kind of “eh it’s fine” on this show, though this:
Really made me imprint on Mando in a way I hadn’t before. I identify pretty hard with growing up in a restrictive culture that hammers into you that it is the only way and the ancient way, only to grow up and realize you actually broke off from a larger culture that left you behind long ago, and in fact has deeper roots than you do.
I do think that Disney will eventually tell the story of Ahsoka and Sabine and Ezra and Thrawn in live-action, I'm just not sure it will be in The Mandalorian. It does seem more likely now that they've added Bo-Katan, who ties into the Gideon story more directly and can bring all of those with her.
I would totally get behind a stealth Dark Forces series adaptation where they just sub Ezra in for Jedi Outcast-era Kyle Katarn as someone so beat up after the Rebels finale he just cuts himself off from the Force and tools around the galaxy as a merc-for-good unbeknownst to the rest of his found family. Only to get dragged back in after Mando wraps to teach the kid and Kanan/Hera's kid the ways of the Jedi.
Are these supposed to be people? They looked like droids to me.
They could be cyborgs, or else they ARE proto-Snokes
Gideon can have two evil plots, can't he? Death droids AND some sort of Force infusion deal?
He wants to make the first force sensitive robots
John
(he/him)
He's the main character of another Dave Filoni Star Wars production; Rebels. That's set a few years prior to ANH and covers the effective start of the Rebel Alliance through the adventures of one particular cell of it.
And particular to what's happening in The Mandalorian, at the end of the series Ezra and Thrawn were on an imperial ship that was sent off to deep space. Ahsoka and another Rebels character Sabine agreed to look for Ezra together.
sfried
Fluffy Prince
This latest episode...might be my personal favorite from the entire series so far: If other episodes were taking inspiration from Akira Kurosawa and George Lucas' source material, this one was like making a deliberate nod to Henri-Georges Clouzot's The Wages of Fear. Yes, I know trucks filled with easily set-off explosives isn't anything new, but when you mix it up with the Stagecoach episode of Firefly it becomes a doozy! I particularly like the small quiet moments of the truck sequence which reminded me more of the former influence, from Migs Mayfeld telling Mando how much he's willing to break his creed for the child.
I think the best part is when after they get the transports in and pose as imperial officers, they get saluted and cheered on by Imperial soldiers, a far cry from the typical portrayal of Empire forces in other Star Wars media, and one of the few moments where they humanize the soldiers working on the other side. Of course, we're reminded the Empire is still evil by having Meyfeld, an unhelmetted Djarin (from needing to have his face scanned by the terminal), and an Imperial officer have a fireside chat and Migs reminding everyone how many of said soldiers died under the orders of said officer. I didn't expect them to flesh out Migs backstory this way, but it's great.
Oh, and Boba ussing his sonic bomb is just the fanservice bow on the already delicious preverbial cake.
I think the best part is when after they get the transports in and pose as imperial officers, they get saluted and cheered on by Imperial soldiers, a far cry from the typical portrayal of Empire forces in other Star Wars media, and one of the few moments where they humanize the soldiers working on the other side. Of course, we're reminded the Empire is still evil by having Meyfeld, an unhelmetted Djarin (from needing to have his face scanned by the terminal), and an Imperial officer have a fireside chat and Migs reminding everyone how many of said soldiers died under the orders of said officer. I didn't expect them to flesh out Migs backstory this way, but it's great.
Oh, and Boba ussing his sonic bomb is just the fanservice bow on the already delicious preverbial cake.
Is this the first time in Star Wars where a blaster has run out of 'ammo'?
I can't think of it happening before. Some good references, including Operation Cinder, which is part of a whole part of the new lore that I don't know much about but seems kinda interesting. I remember it being part of Battlefront 2.
4-So
Spicy
Yeah, the mention of Operation: Cinder was a "wow" moment for me.
Operation: Cinder was the final order of the Emperor. Essentially, the Emperor's philosophy was that if the Empire ever fell, it would not be because of its central figure but because the Empire was too weak to protect that central figure. Considering that such an Empire did not deserve to live on, Operation: Cinder was created to initiate unnatural electromagnetic and weather catastrophes via orbital satellite "weapons" across a variety of Imperial-held worlds, killing both Rebel, Imperial, and non-combatant alike. The slate was to be wiped clean.
Operation: Cinder has direct ties to the Battle of Jakku, where Gallius Rax (assumed leader of the Empire) gathered the last of the Imperial holdouts to make a last stand against the Republic. Truth be told, Rax's plan was to destroy Jakku completely, meaning delivering a deathblow to the Empire, which was what O:Cinder was all about. Rax is killed during that battle by Grand Admiral Sloane, who assumes control of the Empire (such as it is), before she flees with the remaining Imperials into the Unknown Regions, which was actually Rax's plan in the first place. The idea here was that only a few of the Imperials were "worthy" enough to survive, so while most of the Imperials would die at Jakku, the ones most important would flee to the Unknown Regions and rebuild. Sloane kept to that plan and became one of the initial leaders of what would eventually become The First Order.
There's some pretty interesting stuff in that time period immediately following The Battle of Endor and leading to TFA. It's mostly in the books, comics, games, etc.
Operation: Cinder was the final order of the Emperor. Essentially, the Emperor's philosophy was that if the Empire ever fell, it would not be because of its central figure but because the Empire was too weak to protect that central figure. Considering that such an Empire did not deserve to live on, Operation: Cinder was created to initiate unnatural electromagnetic and weather catastrophes via orbital satellite "weapons" across a variety of Imperial-held worlds, killing both Rebel, Imperial, and non-combatant alike. The slate was to be wiped clean.
Operation: Cinder has direct ties to the Battle of Jakku, where Gallius Rax (assumed leader of the Empire) gathered the last of the Imperial holdouts to make a last stand against the Republic. Truth be told, Rax's plan was to destroy Jakku completely, meaning delivering a deathblow to the Empire, which was what O:Cinder was all about. Rax is killed during that battle by Grand Admiral Sloane, who assumes control of the Empire (such as it is), before she flees with the remaining Imperials into the Unknown Regions, which was actually Rax's plan in the first place. The idea here was that only a few of the Imperials were "worthy" enough to survive, so while most of the Imperials would die at Jakku, the ones most important would flee to the Unknown Regions and rebuild. Sloane kept to that plan and became one of the initial leaders of what would eventually become The First Order.
There's some pretty interesting stuff in that time period immediately following The Battle of Endor and leading to TFA. It's mostly in the books, comics, games, etc.
sfried
Fluffy Prince
Nah. Remember when Solo's blaster "jammed" when he tried to stalk one of those guard guarding the shield generator in Jedi?
I gotta say for such a good looking dude Pedro Pascal does a great job of portraying a character who is petrified to be showing his face in public
sfried
Fluffy Prince
I saw some people make analogies between Migs Mayfeld and DJ from The Last Jedi, only Meyfeld managed to get his point across (about the New Republic/Empire being no different; people just trying to survive analogy) much better than Benicio del Toro's character ever could. Also I'd say the episode does a much better job with regards to the nuances of how the Empire not only ruins civilian life but also its own people than the ham-fisted sequences about how "Canto Bight is bad" with fathiers and "let's show people getting whipped".
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
I think the point is that Migs is wrong and he realises he is eventually. When confronted with his past and his old commander points out the difference between the Empire and the New Republic (and the reason they'll welcome the Empire back) he snaps, flat out murders him and destroys the entire mine. "We're not so different, you and I" is always bollocks. And Benicio is wrong in The Last Jedi too, it's self justification for being an amoral scumbag. The only thing that makes the First Order and the Resistance the same is their need for weapons benefitting war profiteers.
Incidentally, his CO was a really convincing Nazi, no confusing *that* argument.
Incidentally, his CO was a really convincing Nazi, no confusing *that* argument.
sfried
Fluffy Prince
Just the dialogue in this sequence alone... I don't know how to explain it, but it sounds much, much better than the scripts of the past SW movies that came out. Even with the namedrops of Operation Cinder, it doesn't feel as tacked on or wonky as...those opening lines in Solo. I don't want to say "this is how I'd imagine people would actually talk in the SW universe", but it certainly doesn't feel as stilted or cringy like in the movies I mentioned.
Yeah, that video from Star Wars Explained mentioned how the scene gave particular Inglorious Basterds vibes.
The funny thing is we never get to see or hear of the DJ character ever again in the SW movies. I can't help but feel this character was simply created to sell the Benicio del Toro character as...Benicio del Toro. All the further reason why the Canto Bight sequence is such a stupid subplot, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
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