That’s why I said “basically just him” - don’t send a handful of jobbers to do the job of an entire battalion.
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A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy: The Star Wars Thread
So instead of losing their credibility and political influence, they all just fuckin' died lol
There's a few lines in Attack of the Clones about how the Council's entire ability to sense the future is gone and they're afraid to tell anyone outside the group.
There's probably a pretty interesting interpretation of the Star Wars prequels and how the Jedi were able to entrench themselves in positions of power not because they were good, noble, or ethical, but simply because they basically had super precognition, and damned if that isn't the most useful power you could have in politics/anything. The minute they lost the ability to literally see what was coming, they not only physically fell apart, but realized they were never particularly "right", just continually unjustly rewarded for their privileged magical powers.
At a certain point you have to wonder if Palpatine is really good and manipulating people, or if everyone in the galaxy is a complete rube.
Signs point to the latter
Signs point to the latter
Maybe you were distracted by another part of his costume, but I can't think of what
Egarwaen
(He/Him)
The most sensible interpretation is that Palpatine is a really, really good seer. Like, all the absurd coincidences that are required to make Attack of the Clones' plot work flow just fine from him being able to see the future and planning based on that. And while over-reliance on foresight tends to lead the Jedi into positions where unclear visions mean they're forced to choose between failure and compromise, that's not a problem for Sheev, because he has no principles other than survival and even that's negotiable. Blowing up a planet or two, tearing down a millennia-old government, slaughtering children, playing dead for twenty years, broadcasting his return through Fortnite... There's nothing he won't do if it advances his plans.
Getting tossed down a shaft, exploding, then exploding further when your planet killer base explodes around you, then trying to have your son killed, then trying to have a Sith wannabe kill your granddaughter, then try to get said granddaughter to your side so you can take over her body, then say, what the hell, I'll just sap their life force...
How devious!
And like most of his plans, it worked perfectly
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
what a scumbag
To Egarwaens point, one of the stories in A Certain Point of View is from Palpatines perspective, and is about how he has just absurdly powerful precognitive powers, so him not being a master manipulator so much as a guy who knows which way the road forks makes a lot more sense.
This also means it was pure dumb-luck that defeats him every time, not any skill or proficiency on any of the heroes’ part.
Which also means that, as we all already know, Jar Jar is the greatest hero in Star Wars history
This also means it was pure dumb-luck that defeats him every time, not any skill or proficiency on any of the heroes’ part.
Which also means that, as we all already know, Jar Jar is the greatest hero in Star Wars history
Egarwaen
(He/Him)
If it's not on screen in the films, then at some point a Clone Wars cartoon is going to retcon it.
And then you got guys like Obi-Wan or Maul who only play on the highest difficulty and scoff at anyone who doesn’t.
Count Dooku uses the strategy guide and has a Game Genie.
Ventress just mashes the joystick on the arcades demo screen and assumes she’s really good at Street Fighter
Count Dooku uses the strategy guide and has a Game Genie.
Ventress just mashes the joystick on the arcades demo screen and assumes she’s really good at Street Fighter
And then he somehow lucks into a Smash Ball that gives him whales.
The "I feel old" thread is thataway
Returning to the discussion on Palpatine's foresight: There is a great little scene in Return of the Jedi where he realizes that Vader has detected something that he hasn't. He very calmly asks "I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader?" But I imagine that in his mind, he's completely terrified, since for the first time in his life, something is happening that he didn't foresee.
If Palps can see the future, why did he let a kid from the boonies blow up an entire Death Star? Like, y'all saying he can outsmart, out maneuver, and out-magic thousands of Jedi, but this padawan just completely befuddles him? I call shenanigans!
He already had a second better Deathstar well underway at the time, and the first one was more of Tarkins’ baby. Hey may just not have cared
I don’t like to rush to conclusions but I think this Palpatine guy might not have everyone’s best interests at heart
The thousands of Jedi were part of a highly visible, hierarchical organization that had been operating in the same way for thousands of years. Luke was a random 17 year old who was in the right place at the right time. He's not a Padawan, he's basically operating off a handful of Jedi cliff notes and adventure stories. He's strong in the force, but not following all of the weird Jedi rules. (Plus Palpatine barely existed when it was written, the ending makes sense for the movie's story beats, etc.)