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Phantoon

I cuss you bad
If it wasn't for unexpected murder teddies then it was all over, yes

(although it's more of a reflection that as Top Sith Lord and actual devil, Sheev is entirely self centred and friendless)
 

Beta Metroid

At peace
(he/him)
Ole Palps was also wrong about that.

...

Well, maybe he was technically correct since the Ewoks did a lot of the heavy lifting down on Endor.
But the Ewoks were among Luke's friends, largely due to his patience and compassion when first meeting them (and some bluffing). It's a great point against Palpatine...helping secure victory through those "weak," decidedly non-Dark Side traits.

This reminds me of why I strongly prefer the Ewoks as they are rather than Wookiees or something. The fact the Empire overlooks them while our heroes bond with them fits right in with the Rebels relying on small, one-man fighters that the Empire dismisses, and Yoda's "size matters not" spiel. Were they some visibly badass, intimidating creatures, it would be a very different vibe.
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
If it wasn't for unexpected murder teddies then it was all over, yes

All in all, the fate of the entire galaxy came down to, very specifically, Chewie and those two ewoks Tarzan'ing onto that chickenwalker and pummeling the pilots to a bloody paste.
 

Egarwaen

(He/Him)
This reminds me of why I strongly prefer the Ewoks as they are rather than Wookiees or something. The fact the Empire overlooks them while our heroes bond with them fits right in with the Rebels relying on small, one-man fighters that the Empire dismisses, and Yoda's "size matters not" spiel. Were they some visibly badass, intimidating creatures, it would be a very different vibe.

I'm also team "I unironically love the Ewoks", for pretty much exactly this reason.
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
I also came around on the Ewoks in a big way on my last rewatch of that movie.

Them suckers is vicious
 

Patrick

Magic-User
(He/Him)
This reminds me of why I strongly prefer the Ewoks as they are rather than Wookiees or something. The fact the Empire overlooks them while our heroes bond with them fits right in with the Rebels relying on small, one-man fighters that the Empire dismisses, and Yoda's "size matters not" spiel. Were they some visibly badass, intimidating creatures, it would be a very different vibe.
I mean, I guess they're better than wookies, but I didn't like the scene on the wookie planet in ROTS either, so that's kind of damning with faint praise. Overall, ROTJ is a mediocre movie with a few stellar scenes.
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
The new episode of Bad Batch had a guy benching a Gonk Droid.

And a little snake guy with big cartoony eyes that didn’t fit the Star Wars aesthetic but also managed to be one of those one off background aliens that I immediately love and demand more of.
 

Patrick

Magic-User
(He/Him)
I think I was too harsh on ROTJ earlier. It’s still a pretty good movie, even though some parts drag for me.
 

Bongo

excused from moderation duty
(he/him)
Staff member
Palpatine is mostly improvising. Things he didn't foresee happen all the time in every movie he's in. He almost ate shit a few times. The details play out the way they do not because he wanted them to happen exactly that way, but because he has absolute confidence that the outcome is inevitable. That is to say: if the Republic is threatened by a scary enemy, then the Jedi and the Senate will want war, and they'll hand more and more power over to whoever leads the war effort. He bet that the decadent neoliberal Republic was ripe to fall, and found some malcontents and goaded then into destabilizing the political situation so that when it all fell down, he would be in the right position to pick up the pieces.

The only part of his plan that requires him to be an evil wizard is fending off the assassination attempts from rival wizards.
 

Bongo

excused from moderation duty
(he/him)
Staff member
Palpatine's triumph comes not by meticulous and minute manipulation, but by placing faith in the evil of others, and his defeat comes when he encounters someone who confronts him not with superior strength, but with a similar faith in the goodness of others.
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
I think that's one of my main issues with Skywalker, And The Rise Thereof. RotJ has a very clear thesis to get across, and although the Rebellion's material defeat of the Empire is certainly important, the theme of the trilogy had been driving towards Luke's moral defeat of the Dark Side (as personified by Sheev.) But I honestly can't tell you what the thesis of the 9th film is, or what the overarching theme of the trilogy was as it culminates in "I am all the Sith" vs "I am all the Jedi" = "kaboom". I can kind of glimpse a theme of "you're not defined by your forebears" if I squint at the scene on Ahch-To, but, unlike Luke's scenes with Leia and Vader in RotJ, it doesn't play out or bear fruit during the climax of the narrative, so it's really unclear to me why or how Rey defeated Grandpalpatine from an ideological standpoint.
 

Phantoon

I cuss you bad
I'm every Sith! I'm every Jedi! Is very much not how the Force works. "Darth Plagueis died in his sleep (chuckle)" doesn't work if Palps is now Plagueis.

Also they apparently didn't understand that Palpatine deliberately didn't turn off the Force Lightning in RotS.

RoS does have a thesis, but it's "here's that bit from a Star War you liked, but shorn of all context and meaning and with the stupidity dialled right up"
 
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Büge

Arm Candy
(she/her)
🎶I'm every Jedi
It's all in me
I can read your thoughts right now
Every one from A to Z 🎶
 
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