it's part of the story and characterisation that him dating Knives is gross and exploitative. he's constantly called out on it from book 1
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I was more referring to the SHEER VOLUME of YOUNGBEAT'S wrongness, to the point that an instance of me being correct, (textually supported or not) was notable and memorable.I thought Beat's post ("right side of history") seemed to be emphatically stating that Scott's sketchiness was somehow lauded by the text itself.
It was always gross. To me, they always read as a pretty self-aware analysis of what it's like to be a scumbag who slowly becomes self-aware of his scuminess. The problem was that it blew up and became popular because scumbag nerds were like "Woah! This speaks to me! Because I like NES too!" it being on the vanguard of nostalgia-bait for our generation. And then it also read like the author was like, "Well shit, these nerds are missing the point, but they're also putting food on my plate and I can't piss them off too much soooo..."I don't think they hold up entirely well. The whole premise is a little bit gross.
Yeah, no, sorry, I didn't really mean to agree or disagree with anyone in particular. I just think this line of discussion is pretty well played out and doesn't have much to do with the game, and this thread has already been fairly off topic from the beginning, and I got a little frustrated. It's okay if you (the plural you) disagree with me. I probably shouldn't have said anything at all.have I said something incorrect/problematic? I read the comics years ago. I'm sure I remember Scott being dumped on constantly for being a creep.
I mean, I still like the books. Hell, I still like the movie, or at least the cut that came out to theaters...Nobody has to like the books. I don't think they hold up entirely well. The whole premise is a little bit gross.
I didn't like the movie at all...
I swear, if I see one more MMA group in my area make Fight Club references I’m... not going to do anything because they can probably kick my ass.And, TBF, I've often lambasted Fight Club for glamorizing its characters and delivering the Narrator a "happy" ending, even though the actual point of both it and the book is to chastise the Tyler Durden mentality. Exact same thing happened with Watchmen and Rorschach. So I see where the SP criticism is coming from.
There's a non-zero chance I regret weighing in on this thread, but here goes: It's not an author's job to be so heavy-handed that even the dippiest of dipshits get that "a 23 year-old dating a high school girl is fucked up" or "toxic masculinity taken to its logical end is bad." If Scott Pilgrim "accurately and undeniably" conveyed that being a grown man dating a 17 year-old is shitty, it would be bad, because it would necessarily be heavy-handed and preachy. I mean, as it is, every other character calls him out on it, Wallace even tells Knives she's too good for Scott. If people don't get that, I question if they would get a giant neon sign drawn in the background that said "THIS IS BAD." (In fact, they'd probably fall back on "Lee meant that ironically," to justify their bad reading.)If I'm reading the discussion correctly, the issue is that neither the film nor the comic accurately and undeniably convey that fact; they're more preoccupied with the surface-level aspects (pop culture reference, nerd/gamer jokes, visual appeal) than with driving the central theme forward.
And, TBF, I've often lambasted Fight Club for glamorizing its characters and delivering the Narrator a "happy" ending, even though the actual point of both it and the book is to chastise the Tyler Durden mentality. Exact same thing happened with Watchmen and Rorschach. So I see where the SP criticism is coming from.