SMASH BROS THREAD

[ThornGhost]

Just throwing it out there that Smash players include a wide subset of strategically important election demographics, the Biden campaign has been smashing donation records and you could include Kamala Harris as an echo fighter.

But, seriously, Toad maybe?

 

[BEAT]

STEVE?
Nowadays we all know that Minecraft came from space. Unfortunately, the guy who found it, (presumably smoldering in the center of a perfectly-circular crater somewhere in the desert) told everyone that it was totally his invention that he definitely didn't rip off of Infiniminer, and used it to gain incredible wealth and fame before selling it for more money than he could ever spend. He then spent the next five years being an agressively transphobic dipshit, as he went about his business slowly dying alone in a mansion full of worthless money and (presumably) prescription drugs. And while he wouldn't PERSONALLY benefit from the little voxel dude with the dumb blocky head and obvious developer placeholder textures that somehow never got replaced being in Smash, it seems like the sort of thing he'd reactivate his twitter to brag about, and I'm not willing to take that risk.

I HATE IT WHEN I'M RIGHT.

 

[BEAT]

Fuck Notch.

 

[RT-55J]

i'm blaming this on you beat

 

[Octopus Prime]

Hard Agree, but at least he has absolutely no financial compensation for this and it’s entirely a Microsoft character that’s in Smash Brothers.

Which is a weird thing to be happy about, but here we are, grasping at whatever straw we can reach

 

[WildcatJF]

Yeah, I'm not particularly excited or thrilled about this, but at least the moveset looks fun.

 

[BEAT]

I don't even dislike Minecraft. It's a fantastic unique idea that gave millions of people a much-needed creative outlet. It's Absolutely one of the most important video games of all time.

THAT SAID

HOLY SHIT I HATE NOTCH SO FUCKIN MUCH

 

[BEAT]

I'll absolutely reverse course on this if we find out that Notch is absolutely GUTTED by this announcement because he hates smash or something.

Then this will suddenly be cool & good.

 

[Patrick]

Yeah, Notch is awful.

It’s still a good character to include though. Minecraft is insanely popular & it’s a good game to boot. Kids are going to be really excited about this. And, it looks like he has a fun moveset & a neat stage.

 

[ThornGhost]

Yeah, Notch is the worst but as far as I'm aware he hasn't been involved, financially or otherwise, with Minecraft for years.

Seeing Snake hiding in a box from an enderman is pretty great.

 

[Zef]

Who even are all these blocky people I always thought Minecraft only had a nameless player avatar

 

[MetManMas]

Steve is boring AF but Minecraft was always way too huge to not include in Smash even though its original creator is shit.

At least we got a few Not Steve skins too.

 

[MetManMas]

Who even are all these blocky people I always thought Minecraft only had a nameless player avatar

Alex is the female equivalent of Steve; I think she's a Mojang original. Zombie and Enderman are enemies that are also available as alternate skins in Minecraft; Enderman is based on Slenderman but is a lot shorter in its playable form.

Anyway, Steve is basically the default avatar and the thing you'll replace with literally anything else when playing Minecraft.

 

[Mogri]

This entire thread:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311674207634366466

 

[Bongo]

Notch no longer has any association with Minecraft. They even took his name out of the credits. Chill, man.

 

[BEAT]

NEVER

 

[Johnny Unusual]

Chill, man.

NEVER

And he never did. Or has. Or would. Or... could? Are there any other modal verbs that could fit in here?

 

[Kishi]

This is the worst thing that could have happened that was also easily predicted.

 

[RT-55J]

Three hours later I've decided I'm okay with this.

 

[WildcatJF]

Three hours later I've decided I'm okay with this.

I'm about to that point too. I don't care for Minecraft, never have. Its primary creator is an asshole of the upmost degree, and the aesthetic and gameplay loop never appealed after he was no longer associated with it, so the initial announcement of this hit me with the mehest of mehs. But as I've watched it a few times I can say there's a few positives. Their moveset is bananas. There's three women alts and Alex is getting co-star status on this, and one of the Alex alts is a woman of color, so that's a plus. The music was awesome. Love the song. The stage looks chaotic. And Sakurai's demeanor just really sold me that this is gonna just be weird and out there but that's ok it's Smash.

Fuck Notch, tho. Can't state that enough.

 

[Becksworth]

Yeah, as long as Notch doesn’t say screw it to his no social media vow to gloat, it’s got nothing to do with him anymore and a character that builds onto the stage sounds like a fun way to screw with strict omega stage players.

 

[Bongo]

Anyway, I didn't expect Steve for basically the same reason that Sakurai laid out, the difficulty of designing his gameplay. Doubling down on the uncanny jankiness of his appearance is a good solution to the challenge of integrating Minecraft's basic aesthetics into a game as lush as Smash.

I'm for it.

 

[Destil]

I mean Noch hasn't had anything to do with Minecraft since at least 2014 when MS bought it, AFIK. MS did not even let him attend the 10th anniversary event last year.

Ha has no power here if you just don't talk about him. Which is why we need to continue to push that Hatsune Miku created it until that's the answer google gives you if you ask.

 

[BEAT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1070808886167375874

 

[Zef]

Ha has no power here if you just don't talk about him. Which is why we need to continue to push that Hatsune Miku created it until that's the answer google gives you if you ask.

More accurately, however, didn't he actually steal (or at least very unethically appropriate) the basis of what would become Minecraft from other people's work? Why keep perpetuating a meme when we can instead push those people's names as the actual narrative?

 

[muteKi]

I appreciate that Sakurai is like "yes actually that 'never ask me for anything again' is actually how I feel about this stuff"

 

[fanboymaster]

More accurately, however, didn't he actually steal (or at least very unethically appropriate) the basis of what would become Minecraft from other people's work? Why keep perpetuating a meme when we can instead push those people's names as the actual narrative?

I mean not any more than any game taking off another game does, dude sucks but this isn't "literally stole code or assets" as far as I can tell.

The real reason to stop doing the miku shit is that it came from space is funnier. The real ethical question's relatively more typical capitalism bullshit since only MS is really benefiting and has done a collectively good job deleting him from all press around it so it's down to how much children seek hm out and longer more complicated questions.

 

[Patrick]

Also, thank goodness for Mark Brown, too. In addition to making the best game videos, he got Notch to delete his twitter account right before Minecraft got added to Smash. What amazing timing!

 

[Destil]

I mean not any more than any game taking off another game does, dude sucks but this isn't "literally stole code or assets" as far as I can tell.

I'm pretty sure I've read that Infiminer's leaked/disassembled source code was at one time part of actual minecraft.

Since they already removed him from the credits I would love if Zach Barth was added in his place.

 

[estragon]

I'm pretty sure I've read that Infiminer's leaked/disassembled source code was at one time part of actual minecraft.

Is there a good source on this?

My understanding is that this is a conflation of two separate stories. One is that Infiniminer's source code leaked, the other is that Minecraft began as a self-proclaimed Infiniminer clone, but it began before the source code leak.