For now, I'm reading it more as the Elders aren't immortal (they didn't seem super surprised when one of them died, as if the Elders are typically replaced over time), just old. And probably aren't the original five Elders Imu's had under them. Likewise for now Garling seems like the next to step into that seat rather than a new player for world dominating supervillain - we kinda have enough of those already between Imu and Blackbeard, I feel!
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One Piece (Beware, spoilers)
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My smile froze, when Yasopp shot Bartos ship. Shanks is right, he can't let shit like that stand, people depend on him. Still harsh, seeing him kill people, or be ready to do so. But he is an emperor. Not that I expect him (or Kid) to be dead, it's One Piece after all. Still, took me by surprise.
Fun stuff with Blackbeard, and I realized that I really, really love Devons design. She wears so much cool stuff.
And I don't know if we actually knew that the Revolutionaries are behind the food shortage. I guess we do, and I forgot. Glad to know the Revolutionaries are doing stuff.
I wished we had spend at least one chapter just chilling out with the giants. Oh, well. But the last page makes it clear, that Elbaf has started. Namis outfit is clearly inspired by nordic mythology stuff. I don't know enough about that to explain how or what, but it seems clear to me. I hope she wasn#t kidnapped, at least not on her own. But I guess we will meet Loki soon.
Fun stuff with Blackbeard, and I realized that I really, really love Devons design. She wears so much cool stuff.
And I don't know if we actually knew that the Revolutionaries are behind the food shortage. I guess we do, and I forgot. Glad to know the Revolutionaries are doing stuff.
I wished we had spend at least one chapter just chilling out with the giants. Oh, well. But the last page makes it clear, that Elbaf has started. Namis outfit is clearly inspired by nordic mythology stuff. I don't know enough about that to explain how or what, but it seems clear to me. I hope she wasn#t kidnapped, at least not on her own. But I guess we will meet Loki soon.
Regarding the food, it was mentioned before, earlier in the arc. A recent episode of the anime (most recent one on Netflix, I think it's one behind broadcast?) was about the Revolutionaries attack on Marijoa and the Reverie, during the series of chapters around the middle of Egghead that dealt with everything else around the world, but during the episode they mention hitting the Celestial Dragon foodstores. But I guess that was easy to overlook in the manga with all the everything else going on at that time.
Goddamn Yasopp is stone cold. There's a lot of wild theories out there about Shanks, most of which I think are nonsense, but I do wonder if we're heading for a much darker relevation about em than we would have previously thought.
Goddamn Yasopp is stone cold. There's a lot of wild theories out there about Shanks, most of which I think are nonsense, but I do wonder if we're heading for a much darker relevation about em than we would have previously thought.
FelixSH
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That was fun. I like the new outfits of our crew. And how they just wreck havoc in this weird lego castle. Was a bit confused, about the panicing vikings at the start, but now I think it's funny. Chopper is still missing, I wonder where we will find him.
And it's nice, that Nami can at least somewhat defend herself. Also, she is not the kidnapped damsel. Just the original five now, I can't imagine that not being intentional. Giving them a bit of an adventure on their own, before we have to go into the endgame.
And it's nice, that Nami can at least somewhat defend herself. Also, she is not the kidnapped damsel. Just the original five now, I can't imagine that not being intentional. Giving them a bit of an adventure on their own, before we have to go into the endgame.
I heard one theory that the reason the crew has been divided the way it has is that Vivi will reunite with them in this arc. The original six are in one party (I assume, there's still no sign of Chopper but he was with the Sunny), which were all in Alabasta. Vivi was also with them in Little Garden, when they first met the giants and heard of Elbaf. It might be a stretch, but we know she's on the move in the air so it's not out of the question she could get there.
It's all just assumptions with nothing concrete behind it, but I think it's a neat theory.
It's all just assumptions with nothing concrete behind it, but I think it's a neat theory.
FelixSH
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I still have nothing to say, but that I have fun with what we are doing here (it just seems like Oda takes a bit of a break to have funny stuff happen), but I only now, after so, so long, did realise (well, I read it in a youtube comment) that "Elbaf" is "Fable" backwards.
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Johnny Unusual
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Yeah, that's why the spelling needs to be that way imo, despite the various scanners who demand it be spelled Elbaph or other variations.
I saw some comments over the past few weeks over how things weren't adding up, more than just the place not seeming real - Strawhats shouting out one move then performing another, Sanji heating one leg but kicking with the other, etc. I didn't notice but assumed that meant we were in some kind of dream or surreal state. So wonder if they were just honest Oda mistakes, if it's just a regular old room.
I saw some comments over the past few weeks over how things weren't adding up, more than just the place not seeming real - Strawhats shouting out one move then performing another, Sanji heating one leg but kicking with the other, etc. I didn't notice but assumed that meant we were in some kind of dream or surreal state. So wonder if they were just honest Oda mistakes, if it's just a regular old room.
FelixSH
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Luffy will free Loki, won't he?
Love the big panels. Both the one, where we see small Luffys back, standing in front of Loki. And the one that shows us how gigantic Elbaf is. That gigantic sword!
I love Lokis design. The helmet with the giant horns, the tattoos, the DoFlamingo grin with the outhanging tongue. Can't wait to see him standing, ready to fight.
I don't know enough about Norse mythology, but enough to know that Loki is bad news, and that he brings about the end of the gods, or something? I should read up on that. And of course, having the interpretation of the sun god changed to something bad works very well with him. No matter what, Luffy as Nika will end the world as it is known. Which we view as a positive, as he is our hero. But it's clear how this can easily be seen as a bad thing, too.
I'm excited!
Love the big panels. Both the one, where we see small Luffys back, standing in front of Loki. And the one that shows us how gigantic Elbaf is. That gigantic sword!
I love Lokis design. The helmet with the giant horns, the tattoos, the DoFlamingo grin with the outhanging tongue. Can't wait to see him standing, ready to fight.
I don't know enough about Norse mythology, but enough to know that Loki is bad news, and that he brings about the end of the gods, or something? I should read up on that. And of course, having the interpretation of the sun god changed to something bad works very well with him. No matter what, Luffy as Nika will end the world as it is known. Which we view as a positive, as he is our hero. But it's clear how this can easily be seen as a bad thing, too.
I'm excited!
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Yeah in the myths Loki is imprisoned and will break free when Ragnarok happens and ends the world.
Excellent chapter, took us from the little confusing preamble bit to setting up the arc proper quite quickly.
Fun to see Vivi using the newspaper picture trick that Luffy and Rayleigh used!
Excellent chapter, took us from the little confusing preamble bit to setting up the arc proper quite quickly.
Fun to see Vivi using the newspaper picture trick that Luffy and Rayleigh used!
FelixSH
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I love this. I love Elbaf.
Favourite panel was probably the kid heading out. Just so nice. Like the start of some kids anime from the 90s. Such a calm, wholesome panel.
But everything else too, nothing specific, just really enjoyed my time. Only one thing - is it me, or is Luffy trying to hide his meeting with Loki out of character for him? I can't really say, I guess it depends on the circumstances, and we don't know the exact details of the deal.
Also, loved the very last bit. Can't wait, to find out where we are going here. This will become another long, long arc, won't it?
Oh, and the other favorite bit is the flashback to when Luffy and Usopp promised to go to Elbaf. It just felt so good.
Favourite panel was probably the kid heading out. Just so nice. Like the start of some kids anime from the 90s. Such a calm, wholesome panel.
But everything else too, nothing specific, just really enjoyed my time. Only one thing - is it me, or is Luffy trying to hide his meeting with Loki out of character for him? I can't really say, I guess it depends on the circumstances, and we don't know the exact details of the deal.
Also, loved the very last bit. Can't wait, to find out where we are going here. This will become another long, long arc, won't it?
Oh, and the other favorite bit is the flashback to when Luffy and Usopp promised to go to Elbaf. It just felt so good.
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Last thing we heard from Loki was him saying he wouldn't spill the beans about Shanks's recent visit for free, so maybe the deal started from that. Though we already saw another Giant talking about Shanks this chapter, so doesn't seem like a very worthwhile bit of info so far, certainly not to be sworn to secrecy over.
FelixSH
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I get the feeling that Oda really enjoys drawing places in Elbaf. So many big shots of huts and stuff. And I feel like he totally succeeds, it feels like a cozy place.
I'm so much looking forward to when stuff gets wrong.
Oh, and I think I didn't talk about the last chapter? It was very nice, having Robin meet Saul again. Don't have anything deep to say about it, it was just really nice. I'm glad she had something good happening to her. She has earned it.
I'm so much looking forward to when stuff gets wrong.
Oh, and I think I didn't talk about the last chapter? It was very nice, having Robin meet Saul again. Don't have anything deep to say about it, it was just really nice. I'm glad she had something good happening to her. She has earned it.
FelixSH
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I guess we have our answer now. Evil Shanks is a thing. I kinda wished, I hadn't watched the videos that suggested this, but oh well. What a weird thing.
This is the top power ceiling, I imagine. After the Five Elders, the Holy Knights, all on a level above an admiral. We came a long way.
Looking forward to Luffy, Zorro and Nami meeting these two. Gives us a chance for Zorro vs Gunko and Luffy vs Evil Shanks, maybe? Or not. I can only see them losing, if it happens at this point in the arc.
I'm not quite sold on Gunkos design? It feels weirdly not quite like a design from One Piece? Can't describe it, and maybe I'll get used to it. But normally, even if I don't like a design much, it feels like part of that world. And with Gunko, I don't really feel it?
This is the top power ceiling, I imagine. After the Five Elders, the Holy Knights, all on a level above an admiral. We came a long way.
Looking forward to Luffy, Zorro and Nami meeting these two. Gives us a chance for Zorro vs Gunko and Luffy vs Evil Shanks, maybe? Or not. I can only see them losing, if it happens at this point in the arc.
I'm not quite sold on Gunkos design? It feels weirdly not quite like a design from One Piece? Can't describe it, and maybe I'll get used to it. But normally, even if I don't like a design much, it feels like part of that world. And with Gunko, I don't really feel it?
Ah, so that was a good guess. As for power levels I dunno if I’d put them above admirals. We haven’t really had a great way to judge these highest level types against one another, so it’s hard to say. Certainly for plot reasons if nothing else it feels like Akainu would be at or above Gunko’s level, and Shamrock’s is doing a lot of borrowing from how strong we imagine Shanka is.
FelixSH
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Yeah, fair enough, we don't really know anything there, really. I think part of this was that we are past Egghead. If Evil Shanks and Gunko aren't at least on Kizarus level, I just don't see how they can stand up to Luffy, considering that Luffy seemed like Kizaru wasn't much of a challenge anymore.
But this is One Piece, so that isn't everything, anyway.
But this is One Piece, so that isn't everything, anyway.
Not sure how I feel about finally confirming an evil Shanks. It's something that has been theorized for a long time, at first mostly just from people who would have loved the drama of Shanks actually being evil, but then there were moments like him casually visiting the Elders, and then when we saw young Garling in Kuma's flashback, and his resemblance to Shanks, the 'Shanks is Evil' theories really took off. At the very least all that seems to be confirmed right now is that the rest of Shanks' family is pretty dang terrible, not that Shanks himself is on the same page as them.
FelixSH
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Agreed on prefering Shanks having an actual twin, and his family just being godawful people. But I never bought that he himself might be evil. Just felt wrong.
Also, dunno, the celestial dragons are pretty clearly garbage creatures. One Piece generally gives good explanations, to why people become horrible, but they can certainly become awful. Evil isn't an ideal word here, Shamrock wasn't born a monster. But he became one, unlike Shanks. Our decisions define us, and when you decide to put your strength under assholes like the celestial dragons, you decided to do evil deeds.
It's too early to say anything specific anyway. But especially with some people, like Shanks, getting that having slaves and similar stuff is wrong, I don't see an easy way to redemption for his family.
And I mean, someone like DoFlamingo might have had reasons for becoming an asshole, but calling him evil is fair, I think. Or Kaido. Because the decisions they chose were horrible.
Also, dunno, the celestial dragons are pretty clearly garbage creatures. One Piece generally gives good explanations, to why people become horrible, but they can certainly become awful. Evil isn't an ideal word here, Shamrock wasn't born a monster. But he became one, unlike Shanks. Our decisions define us, and when you decide to put your strength under assholes like the celestial dragons, you decided to do evil deeds.
It's too early to say anything specific anyway. But especially with some people, like Shanks, getting that having slaves and similar stuff is wrong, I don't see an easy way to redemption for his family.
And I mean, someone like DoFlamingo might have had reasons for becoming an asshole, but calling him evil is fair, I think. Or Kaido. Because the decisions they chose were horrible.
For the most part One Piece shies away from pure evil characters, sure. There's usually something in their past that informs why they're doing whatever it is they're doing. But there's definetely a few characters that are pretty damn close to being outright villainous, Doflamingo probably more than any other.
FelixSH
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Well, that was a chapter. Liked it a lot.
Even if Luffy misremembered her name, I'm very surprised that he remembers Belmere at all. That implies, that he actually listened, back when Nami told her backstory.
Shamrocks sword is weird and awesome. But I now really want to see Loki be free and able to fight. I want to see how strong he is.
That mural was awesome. A lot of room for interpretation there. And I guess, it means that Luffy is only the third incarnation of the sun god, after Nikka forever ago, and Joyboy in the void century. I'll try an interpretation, because why not.
The first world seems to be one, where people got too greedy, and developed the Devil Fruits, But there was also a lot of social injustice, elsewise you wouldn't have slaves. And the slaves got their hands on the Gumo-Gomo, and got Nikka. Who enracged "the Earth", or the old elite, and a big war created an era of darkness.
The second world confuses me. People of the halfmoon are the minks, I guess. And people of the moon are whoever created those beings from Enels cover story, I assume. So maybe, in the first world, people even had reached the moon? And at this point, they could communicate with earth? That humanity killed the sun and ascended to divinity is obviously Imu winning against Joyboy, and the kings deciding to become the Celestial Dragons. And I guess, the god of the sea becoming enraged references the giant landmass that once was to become mostly ocean. Considering the giant tree, maybe the world was full of forests? Maybe injustice? Maybe Joyboy created the chaos?
The Rhird World shows Nika, so Luffy, together with the giants, that old robot, those winged people (Lunarians, right?), seapeople and minks, and a grand fleet, fighting against Imu, holding the sun in his hands.
Anyway, we really need to wait for the official translation here. But this give us some weird and vague info. If nothing else, I'm more assured than ever, that this world is a post apocalyptic one, where there once was an advanced society. The skyscrapers on the right, and the machinary, seem prety clear there.
Even if Luffy misremembered her name, I'm very surprised that he remembers Belmere at all. That implies, that he actually listened, back when Nami told her backstory.
Shamrocks sword is weird and awesome. But I now really want to see Loki be free and able to fight. I want to see how strong he is.
That mural was awesome. A lot of room for interpretation there. And I guess, it means that Luffy is only the third incarnation of the sun god, after Nikka forever ago, and Joyboy in the void century. I'll try an interpretation, because why not.
The first world seems to be one, where people got too greedy, and developed the Devil Fruits, But there was also a lot of social injustice, elsewise you wouldn't have slaves. And the slaves got their hands on the Gumo-Gomo, and got Nikka. Who enracged "the Earth", or the old elite, and a big war created an era of darkness.
The second world confuses me. People of the halfmoon are the minks, I guess. And people of the moon are whoever created those beings from Enels cover story, I assume. So maybe, in the first world, people even had reached the moon? And at this point, they could communicate with earth? That humanity killed the sun and ascended to divinity is obviously Imu winning against Joyboy, and the kings deciding to become the Celestial Dragons. And I guess, the god of the sea becoming enraged references the giant landmass that once was to become mostly ocean. Considering the giant tree, maybe the world was full of forests? Maybe injustice? Maybe Joyboy created the chaos?
The Rhird World shows Nika, so Luffy, together with the giants, that old robot, those winged people (Lunarians, right?), seapeople and minks, and a grand fleet, fighting against Imu, holding the sun in his hands.
Anyway, we really need to wait for the official translation here. But this give us some weird and vague info. If nothing else, I'm more assured than ever, that this world is a post apocalyptic one, where there once was an advanced society. The skyscrapers on the right, and the machinary, seem prety clear there.
Considering the talk of trees and devils in the second world, I assume devil fruits came about then rather than in the first world - so maybe the devil fruits are channelling the memories and powers of the people from the first world, or some such? The first world sure looks like skyscrapers and modern earth stuff, tho presumably more advanced if they were building moon robots and such