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Tomm Guycot

(he/him)
Thanks Zef, I keep seeing so many "what a trash fire" reviews online and your take matches up with mine. Phew.

I've liked all 4 of these movies "for what they are" and have incredible respect that each movie was allowed to have its own tone and pace, suited to the director's vision. Took Marvel a while to clue into that with Guardians and Ragnarok, even.

My favorite will probably be 2014 Goji. I even like King of Monsters for its "big things hitting each other" but GvK is so much more fun and breezy about it. I'm just glad my fears from the trailer were unfounded.

It's just a big dumb monster movie - but it's okay to be a big dumb monster movie sometimes.
 

Tegan

dirtbag lesbian
(She/Her)
As underdeveloped as the human cast was, Kong's escorts didn't bother me too much, and they served the simple purposes they were meant to. But whenever we cut to Madison and Bernie and the other kid, I just groaned. That other kid was intensely annoying and his only purpose was to wreck the computer at the end, which Madison or Bernie himself could have figured out just as easily (and would have fulfilled that arc of Bernie's character.) I'm also always deeply uncomfortable when conspiracy theorists are made heroic figures, because they always, always, pepper their legitimate plot-related conspiracies with real-life ones in a way that gives them equal credence.
Largely loved the film but I completely agree on this point. Like it's bad enough that Bernie is an extremely uncomfortable character in 2021 but he and Josh were played like special guest characters from Transformers 6 or some shit. Their irritating antics are so painfully unfunny and wildly out of place.
 

Sprite

(He/Him/His)
I loved it, and thought it was a great capper to this series. Making Kong the protagonist and heart of the film was a good decision, especially since he’s the underdog in the titular fight by a wide margin. I’m also extremely glad they didn’t go with a dumb “it’s a draw” thing where the fight is interrupted, but decidedly gave the win to Godzilla.

Side note, it’s a little annoying that ASL often makes its way into movies because monkeys are involved. And it’s very annoying when they cut away in the middle of a sentence so you’re forced to rely on the subtitles. At one point subtitles are the only indication that someone is talking because the camera is too far away.
 
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My first thought wasn't other monkey/ape movies, (though I can remember some now) but several other recentish genre movies (A Quiet Place, Resident Evil: Retribution) with young deaf protagonists, probably also with mixed execution in terms of presenting sign language on screen accessibly, though I haven't them watched recently. Wait, the little girl in RE:R was also the other, non-evil little girl in Orphan. Must rewatch.
 

Sprite

(He/Him/His)
I edited “only” to “often,” clearly there are movies I haven’t watched which feature no monkeys. Oops!
 

Tegan

dirtbag lesbian
(She/Her)
My copy of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes was somehow missing the subtitle track for the ASL and I spent the first twenty minutes thinking "THIS IS SO BOLD. THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE WAY TO DO THIS MOVIE" and then was so bummed when I figured it out.
 

John

(he/him)
I'd somehow gone my whole life without seeing any of the old Godzilla movies, and a bunch were added to HBO Max, so I decided to rectify that.

Godzilla (1954) - I can see why this is a classic. A somber allegory on man's folly with Atomics, I was surprised that they had quite a lot of silent shots as the humans are trying to parse the horror.

Godzilla, King of the Monsters - I only clicked on this for curiosity sake, to see what the Americanized version turned into. Remove most of the criticism of nuclear weapon use, and oh, the guy who would eventually play Perry Mason was also there. Didn't watch this the whole way, just enough to see it's not necessary.

Godzilla Raids Again - Same movie as Godzilla, but replace most of the Atomic Weapon criticism with a light rebuke of capitalism (that darn lizard's impacting our fishing company's bottom line). Throw in a fun Ankylosaurus for Godzilla to fight, and now you've got a formula. Godzilla gets buried in hotel ice machine ice.

Mothra vs. Godzilla - I haven't seen the first Mothra movie, but this one was silly fun. I loved the twin faerie girls, and the big bad corporation that gets swindled by the even bigger big bad corporation (more light Capitalism jabs). Some genuinely funny lines, like "Are you saying you have power of attorney from Mothra?" The little Mothra caterpillers were adorable in a tardigrade way.

Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster -The human part of the story shifts more into the fantastical, as the princess of a fake country gets inhabited by the ghost of a being from Venus, whose civilization was destroyed 5000 years ago by the titular monster. This one was more dumb than fun, which was a shame.

Invasion of Astro-Monster - Now we're getting back to equal parts dumb and fun. Tone gets shifted again into a pulp sci-fi story, with silly aliens from Planet X using the monsters against us. They really bumped up the mobility of the Godzilla suit, he's doing dances now, hopping around like a boxer. I think this is the first one with an American actor besides the inserted ones in KotM. The HBO Max version was the Dub, which probably has its own nostalgia, but it didn't sound right to me (aside from the one American guy speaking English the whole time). I signed up for the Criterion Channel trial and watched it in the OG language instead.

Only one I haven't seen so far is the first King Kong vs. Godzilla, because it's not on any legit streaming or digital platforms. I did find the dubbed version on a dodge streaming site, but I'd rather find the subtitled version. I would've thought Warner/Toho could've worked out a deal for this one to tie into the new movie, but it's only available on the Criterion box set.

I'm going to keep going until I get burned out on silliness. I like the human portions of the movies more than the end final battles, which just turn into miniature destruction. It's fun to see the tech improve with each movie, but giant rubber suits fighting for 30 minutes gets old.
 

Tegan

dirtbag lesbian
(She/Her)
Invasion of Astro-Monster - Now we're getting back to equal parts dumb and fun. Tone gets shifted again into a pulp sci-fi story, with silly aliens from Planet X using the monsters against us. They really bumped up the mobility of the Godzilla suit, he's doing dances now, hopping around like a boxer.

SHEEEEEEEH!



(yes, that's really what Godzilla is referencing)
 

Paul le Fou

Pickle Bus Owns Tulip Town
(He)
I enjoyed Godzilla vs Kong, but I thought it was the weakest of the Monsterverse movies so far.

-This had some of the best MONKE PUANCH LIZARD big-monster fights of the series, although once or twice (especially during the last fight with Mechagodzilla) the monsters lost a bit of their massive weightiness and felt a little CG-light. The boats carrying both of them (and not immediately capsizing) beggared belief a bit, too.
-I liked that Kong was an actual character, and the sign language was obvious in retrospect but still a good moment.
-I'm still not entirely sure why Godzilla was after him except just because "Godzilla goes after other titans." I guess they did have that ancient war etc etc, but even with the lore they peppered around it felt like a flimsy excuse to bash the action figures together.
-Madison/Bernie/Josh served literally no purpose in this story and should have been cut from the script. Also they did Madison dirty after the last movie by making her a conspiracy nut.
-Dollar Store Tom Brady and scientist lady's story felt really loose too but at least they went along with Kong; with the development time wasted on the conspiracy arm redirected to them, they could have actually had good development.
-I have just been informed/reminded that Dollar Store Tom Brady is Alexander Skarsgard, which I think is very unfortunate for Alexander Skarsgard.
-I realized toward the end of this movie that what I really want is a movie starring giant monsters with as little human presence as possible, preferably the absolute bare minimum to establish the scale and presence of the monsters. Kong here proves that it could totally work.
-Despite going 100% comic book wacky sci-fantasy full of "Don't bother asking" questions, at least Hollow Earth was pretty cool. I do wish that Mechagodzilla had factored into the plot more than just being a macguffin-cum-final-boss.
-Was the Apex second-in-command seriously supposed to be Serizawa's son? Talk about a bad story decision that didn't get paid off, and about doing earlier characters dirty.


Someone above mentioned wondering what Kong's axe was made of, but I thought it was perfectly clear: The shaft was a huge bone, so probably a godzilla or big-monke bone, and the axehead was definitely made from a Godzilla back-plate. (Not necessarily from Godzilla himself, but definitely from a godzilla.) It glowed the same blue, channeled and blocked the same Godzilla Energy both in the carvings and during the fight, etc.

My copy of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes was somehow missing the subtitle track for the ASL and I spent the first twenty minutes thinking "THIS IS SO BOLD. THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE WAY TO DO THIS MOVIE" and then was so bummed when I figured it out.
I think this exact same thing happened to me, including the appreciative awe -> disappointment.

Similar to when I started Battlestar Galactica at the first episode of the TV series and thought it was a brilliant, bold, incredible way to launch a series, only to realize there had been a very normal pilot movie/miniseries I hadn't known about.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
-Madison/Bernie/Josh served literally no purpose in this story and should have been cut from the script. Also they did Madison dirty after the last movie by making her a conspiracy nut.
Hey man. They broke the computer so Kong could beat Mechagodzilla.
 
Alexander Skarsgård has never looked hotter or been more recognizable. (he looks like Alexander Skarsgård) Loved his kinda beta weasel voice here. Although he was a Kong character he fulfilled the Godzilla film role of handsome dweeb for whom I wished the best. (no previous Legendary Monster film had that) (though again, cannot remember Kong: Skull Island)
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
Which, TBH, feels like a cop-out. Neither of the titular monsters could fight the man-made monstrosity until a computer was smashed, which somehow did something to a satellite, which somehow did something to Mechagoji's weapons? I thought the whole point of Kevin's head was to use the telepathic connection stated just minutes before. This whole bit could be sidestepped if said characters didn't exist and the two main stars would look even better.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
Those characters exist to give us a point of view on Apex and unravel the mystery of why Godzilla is acting differently, and see what the bad guy's full plan is. I don't know that all of that stuff was needed with Team Kong already adding the human element, but that's really why it's there.
 

Sprite

(He/Him/His)
-I'm still not entirely sure why Godzilla was after him except just because "Godzilla goes after other titans."
Godzilla has to be every monster’s dad because otherwise they just wreck stuff for no reason. Kong doesn’t wreck stuff for no reason but G-dad doesn’t know that.

Basically, Godzilla was on his way to Target to get Monster Zero/Mechagodzilla, then saw Kong on an endcap and decided, well, while I’m here I might as well. Kong’s on the level of those lesser monsters we saw at the end of KoM which submitted easily, so G thought it’d just be a matter of showing up and getting K to bend the knee.
 

Paul le Fou

Pickle Bus Owns Tulip Town
(He)
Which, TBH, feels like a cop-out. Neither of the titular monsters could fight the man-made monstrosity until a computer was smashed, which somehow did something to a satellite, which somehow did something to Mechagoji's weapons? I thought the whole point of Kevin's head was to use the telepathic connection stated just minutes before. This whole bit could be sidestepped if said characters didn't exist and the two main stars would look even better.
Yeah, that resolution was awful - a cheesy cop-out that didn't really make any sense at all.
Those characters exist to give us a point of view on Apex and unravel the mystery of why Godzilla is acting differently, and see what the bad guy's full plan is. I don't know that all of that stuff was needed with Team Kong already adding the human element, but that's really why it's there.
Maybe, but we didn't need them at all for that; we could have followed any of a number of other characters, like Serizawa (thereby actually developing the link to one of the key characters of the previous Godzilla movies instead of including him almost offhandedly), or just one of them - Madison investigating and infiltrating entirely on her own, for example. As for revealing the bad guy's plan, beyond a few very simple intimations, they cut it short and left it unexplained and made a joke about it, so, so much for that. Hell, most of the times we saw Apex Dudes with any actual revelatory/expository stuff, it didn't include those characters at all, emphasizing how easily they could have handled that without them.
 

Tomm Guycot

(he/him)
Yes, I would have much preferred
having an arc where Serizawa had some kind of reason for doing this but was then (apparently) subverted by Gidorah's will. If it was a well-meaning but misguided motivation, Mecha's defeat is a roundabout revenge on behalf of elder Serizawa, which has some pathos to it. Much better than just misusing Madison.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
For the record here's my MonsterVerse ranking

1. Godzilla
2. Kong: Skull Island
3. Godzilla vs. Kong
4. Godzilla: King of the Monsters
 
Godzilla vs Kong is generally a good time. But what's flying under everyone's radar and shouldn't is Godzilla S.P. last posted about in this thread a half a year ago. I've watched the first two episodes and it slaps.


I read some trepidation at the beginning of this thread since Netflix's last few Godzilla anime wasn't all that great. Fear not, this is being made by completely different people. Those previous ones were by Polygon Pictures - purveyors of intensely mediocre anime made exclusively with bad CGI. This one is being made in a joint collab by Studio Bones (probably the best large studio in the industry) and Studio Orange (best CGI-house in anime). It's stuck in Netflix Jail for now, so you can either sail the seven seas or wait until like August at the earliest to binge it.
 

Kirin

Summon for hire
(he/him)
Yeah, I'm down, but my sailing skills are rusty so shoot us a reminder when it's out of jail in the US. 😁
 

John

(he/him)
Ebirah, Horror of the Deep - Now Godzilla shifts to a James Bond type scenario, where an Evil Terrorist Organization is harvesting Heavy Water in order to make nuclear weapons. Oh, and there's a giant lobster guarding the island, which is only deterred by lemon juice. They introduced a scoundrel type character who can pick any lock, and Mothra's back for some reason. Pretty good.

Son of Godzilla - Here's the dumb fun again. The giant praying mantis' are really well done, and Baby Zilla's adorable. The spider’s a great puppet as well, their non-rubber suits are top notch. I liked all the fake-outs, from the spider faking its death to the submarine at the end. Baby Zilla had to be an inspiration for Baby Sinclair.
 

John

(he/him)
More old movie impressions!

Destroy All Monsters - For a team up movie, I was hoping this would've been better, but the human plot was just kinda blah and boring. It felt like a reprise of what they did in Invasion of Astro-Monster but slower. The actual monster team-up beatdown was solid though, seeing Godzilla brutally curb stomp King Ghidorah's heads was satisfying.

All Monsters Attack - I had read it was a clip show and considered skipping it, but I'm glad I watched it. A nice small scale story about a little kid who's bullied, and how he gains some confidence by being kidnapped by bank robbers. He imagines that Minilla (Son of Godzilla) is his friend, because he doesn't have many, and his parents aren't home most of the time. Only thing I didn't like was he solves his bully problem by becoming one himself.

And some new-ish movie impressions:

Godzilla (2014) - This was fine. Watched it a week ago, don't remember much from it. Neither good or bad, just was there.

Kong - Skull Island - No Godzillas. Fun Vietnam movie, as much as the Vietnam war could be considered fun. It was nice seeing Marvel people work outside of their lanes.

Godzilla - King of the Monsters - There was a whole lot of dumb in this movie. I did like all the references to earlier movies, but every human was a caricature of what an actual person would be in their situation. Also, Rodan taking the heel turn and killing Mothra was a shitty move. I think I conflated the plot of this one with Destroy All Monsters, and was confused why Rodan would do that if Ghidorah no longer was controlling everyone, but then I remembered that one scene when Rodan bowed to the King. Kinda fun movie, but everyone was too dumb.

Only a few more Showa movies left, hope I can get through them before Godzilla vs Kong is removed from HBO Max.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Godzilla (2014) - This was fine. Watched it a week ago, don't remember much from it. Neither good or bad, just was there.
This was a movie that did some great things and dumb things. Killing Bryan Cranston and making the very boring (in this movie) Aaron-Taylor Johnson the lead. is one of the bad. Wasting Ken Watanabe as basically the same character as Bryan Cranston and being an exposition machine. Not good. News chirons at the ends saying "Godzilla.... Hero?" Hilariously inexplicable considering while he killed bad monsters, the movie makes it SUPER clear he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents (this feels like a last minute edit not from the director). But I loved the film's sense of scale and some cool surprise moments.
 

John

(he/him)
Godzilla vs. Hedora - Environmentalism? In a Godzilla movie? It's more likely than you think.

This one's weird, feels like a hippie student film that got the budget for a kaiju movie. Instead of a ton of miniatures work, they spent the budget on body counts and camera effects. They kill thousands of people, some on screen getting disintegrated by sulfuric acid gas. Godzilla gets torn up in this one! Acid burns to the face and hands, blinded in one eye.

This one definitely doesn't fit the mold of the others, it feels like someone watched The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and liked its cinematography, but also was really high at the time and didn't quite remember how it went. I liked this one a lot.
 
Losing my mind listening to people (on podcasts, whatever) complain that there was no winner in Godzilla vs. Kong. Godzilla won! This seemed clear to me...
 
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