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Yeah, no question. Kong got what he wanted because he earned Godzilla’s respect and won’t be forced to submit, but in terms of the actual fight, Godzilla trounced him. It seemed pretty decisive to me!
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Godzilla Threads Again!
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I could see thinking it was a bit ambiguous because after Godzilla won, he then was about to lose another fight without Kong's help, and Godzilla gave him the nod and went out to sea and left Kong standing, so you MIGHT be forgiven for thinking that they ended on equal terms. But no, Godzilla won, but was thankful to/had respect for Kong after he saved G's bacon.
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I love it because it gives Godzilla an arc of coming to terms with his hubris. He didn’t need to slap down two monsters in one day, but assumed he could, so why not? Then this freaking monkey puts up such a good fight that Godzilla is too beat up to deal with the actual threat, which helps G realize that maybe, just maybe, he doesn’t have to be everyone’s dad.
Singular Point is on Netflix now.
I am watching the first episode now; that’s how you can tell I am speaking truthfully
I am watching the first episode now; that’s how you can tell I am speaking truthfully
It's really good. I dug the conclusion. This is easily the best Godzilla-thing since Shin.
If you're gonna watch it subbed, and aren't afraid of sailing the seven seas, consider downloading the fansubs for this. Netflix's subs aren't the worst thing in the world, but they're kinda bad, riddled with errors, and make understanding a lot of the more technical aspects of the show harder.
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elementary my dear baxter
Godzilla vs Kong
is one of my favorite Godzilla movies now. I say this every time a new American film comes out and I don't know if that makes me a traitor or something but I'm pretty bored with Toho's insistence on Godzilla doing as little as possible and be as far from a character as possible. Even accounting for the original '54 classic they seem repeatedly intent on swinging the needle way too far past it because even though 54 Godzilla is more of a thing than his later more cartoonish Showa incarnations he wasn't a mindless zombie and had a mournfulness to him that gave him personality.
That's not a fucking problem in Godzilla vs Kong, because he is a fucking character here. Part of that is because it's not even his movie!
That's right, despite getting top billing in the title, Godzilla is not the main monster. It's Kong's film. It's his hero journey. Godzilla already got that stuff back in King of the Monsters, so here he just gets to be the straight up antagonist. But they handle it in a brilliant way. He's the bad guy, but not like The Villian, the Threat that Must Be Defeated for a happy ending. It's a way for Godzilla to just be this relentless and sometimes terrifyingly powerful asshole that just won't stop insisting on trying to Kill Kong. It even makes it feel kind of fun to watch Mechagodzilla give him a taste of his own medicine.
Also the movie is a ridiculously stupid CARTOON and I love it. It feels like that oldschool flavor Showa Goodness with a coat of Marvel Movie Polish thrown on top. It's even got a group of Likeable Idiots headed up by Monarch Daughter, who is an absurd charicature of a conspiracy theorist now but is correct to be so because this is a ridiculous cartoon universe now with mustache twirling supervillains who toy with science and put things in the drinking water and also the Hollow Earth is real and it's like some kind of awesome Conan Monster Island Shit.
The only thing that fell flat for me was the ridiculous attempt to have that "tearful reunion" scene with Monarch Dad at the end, who could have been cut from the plot completely because there is nothing dramatically potent about Monarch Daughter clumsily idioting her way into the secret lair of some powerful yet strangely incompetent super villains. Not after you made a movie about lizard vs monke and then robot vs lizard and then monke vs robot. That's where my heart was. That's the story I cared about.
I do mean it by the way, there are interesting layers to this film.
is one of my favorite Godzilla movies now. I say this every time a new American film comes out and I don't know if that makes me a traitor or something but I'm pretty bored with Toho's insistence on Godzilla doing as little as possible and be as far from a character as possible. Even accounting for the original '54 classic they seem repeatedly intent on swinging the needle way too far past it because even though 54 Godzilla is more of a thing than his later more cartoonish Showa incarnations he wasn't a mindless zombie and had a mournfulness to him that gave him personality.
That's not a fucking problem in Godzilla vs Kong, because he is a fucking character here. Part of that is because it's not even his movie!
That's right, despite getting top billing in the title, Godzilla is not the main monster. It's Kong's film. It's his hero journey. Godzilla already got that stuff back in King of the Monsters, so here he just gets to be the straight up antagonist. But they handle it in a brilliant way. He's the bad guy, but not like The Villian, the Threat that Must Be Defeated for a happy ending. It's a way for Godzilla to just be this relentless and sometimes terrifyingly powerful asshole that just won't stop insisting on trying to Kill Kong. It even makes it feel kind of fun to watch Mechagodzilla give him a taste of his own medicine.
Also the movie is a ridiculously stupid CARTOON and I love it. It feels like that oldschool flavor Showa Goodness with a coat of Marvel Movie Polish thrown on top. It's even got a group of Likeable Idiots headed up by Monarch Daughter, who is an absurd charicature of a conspiracy theorist now but is correct to be so because this is a ridiculous cartoon universe now with mustache twirling supervillains who toy with science and put things in the drinking water and also the Hollow Earth is real and it's like some kind of awesome Conan Monster Island Shit.
The only thing that fell flat for me was the ridiculous attempt to have that "tearful reunion" scene with Monarch Dad at the end, who could have been cut from the plot completely because there is nothing dramatically potent about Monarch Daughter clumsily idioting her way into the secret lair of some powerful yet strangely incompetent super villains. Not after you made a movie about lizard vs monke and then robot vs lizard and then monke vs robot. That's where my heart was. That's the story I cared about.
I do mean it by the way, there are interesting layers to this film.
One tradition that occurs in most Kong movies is the fact that nobody ever actually refers to him as King Kong. There'll be a scene where someone references him as a King, but never uses the full title. This movie doesn't do that verbally, but it sure as shit does it visually at one point.
The fact that Mechagodzilla instantly gains sentience and turns on his creators is FUCKING WONDERFUL and everything I ever wanted. These 👏guys 👏get 👏it 👏 Evil Mechagodzilla is Best Mechagodzilla.
Some people have complained about the fact that there isn't any backstory given to the pilot, named Serizawa but otherwise not acknowledged that he's the son of the Dr. Serizawa that sacrificed himself in the previous film. I don't think it's necessary though. It's more than easy to put the pieces together. Dr. Serizawa spent his life studying Godzilla and neglected his son, who in turn grew up to want to pilot Mechagodzilla to kill Godzilla. Then Kevin's Head gave Mechagodzilla sentience and he goes on a rampage. Easy peasy now let them fight.
Some people have complained about the fact that there isn't any backstory given to the pilot, named Serizawa but otherwise not acknowledged that he's the son of the Dr. Serizawa that sacrificed himself in the previous film. I don't think it's necessary though. It's more than easy to put the pieces together. Dr. Serizawa spent his life studying Godzilla and neglected his son, who in turn grew up to want to pilot Mechagodzilla to kill Godzilla. Then Kevin's Head gave Mechagodzilla sentience and he goes on a rampage. Easy peasy now let them fight.
I don't know if they're going to make more of these movies. I honestly am ok if they don't, I loved the 3 we got enough to not get greedy. But I can't help but think it would be fun if the Hollow Earth eventually ends up serving as this universe's Monster Island, with Godzilla controlling one land mass and Kong controlling the opposite landmass and the monsters loyal to each being on each side. Rodan and Mothra both should be on Godzilla's side for the record, but Mothra would likely act as peacekeeper as often as she can. Are these layers or just me geeking out about stuff?
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I completely agree. There's a brief camera shot at the end as he's leaving that tells me his "mercy" in not attacking Kong again is actually him just being too damn old and exhausted to want to fight more.
When Kong and Godzilla roared into each other’s open mouths, I genuinely expected them to start making out
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I got a bit burned out on the Showa era films, but took advantage of a Vudu sale on Funimation products and finally bought Shin Godzilla. I really enjoyed this, but thought it was a bit too heavy on the bureaucracy parts. They totally nailed the Otherness of this Godzilla from the start, with the first form's strange unblinking eye up to what the 5th form would've been. I wasn't expecting to hear Evangelion music mixed with traditional Godzilla tracks, but it worked.
(As an aside, I've been rewatching Eva recently, after I binged out on early Godzilla movies, and there's so much in the early episodes that borrows from those flicks. It's fitting he got to do a Godzilla movie, too bad it wasn't as well received as others.)
If anyone wants a digital copy, it's still $4 on Vudu, but they did separate out the English dub vs the subtitled version. I went with the English dub after reading some recommendations, and had zero issues with it. People had said the sheer amount of subtitles could be overwhelming, and I definitely see that.
(As an aside, I've been rewatching Eva recently, after I binged out on early Godzilla movies, and there's so much in the early episodes that borrows from those flicks. It's fitting he got to do a Godzilla movie, too bad it wasn't as well received as others.)
If anyone wants a digital copy, it's still $4 on Vudu, but they did separate out the English dub vs the subtitled version. I went with the English dub after reading some recommendations, and had zero issues with it. People had said the sheer amount of subtitles could be overwhelming, and I definitely see that.
Godzilla Singular Point is amazing. Recommend watching the credits every time to have the best experience...
Adding to the Singular Point praise. Kirin summed it up nicely above. Also, I really like how the human characters are written in this and how they respond to the insanity around them.
Really weird that they decided that the one blue ogre kaiju
Really weird that they decided that the one blue ogre kaiju
is not Gabara. All of the other returning kaiju are drastically different from their classic iterations, what is it about this one that makes it the only "new" critter of the series? I don't have any special fondness for Gabara, but poor guy deserves a cool update.
Glad more of y'all are getting around to S.P.! I really adored the show. The first part of the first episode makes a lot more sense rewatching it after you've finished the show, so that's fun.
TBF, they've gotta save some kaiju for the sequel.
Just started watching Singular Point. I just started episode seven (I watch an episode on the treadmill) and yeah it's great. I love the new takes on all the old monsters and I love that theyre using all the old roars.
If you like all of the old roars, just wait until they start using the old music too
I've certainly picked up hints of it in the music so far! And yes, very happy for that!
A Godzilla MonsterVerse series is coming to Apple TV Plus
Co-created by Hawkeye’s Matt Fraction
www.polygon.com
You had me at Godzilla and Matt Fraction
So in a roundabout way I just became aware of the fact that Toho released new 'zilla films in 2016 and 2022 that I've heard nothing about, and even weirder there seem to be hardly any pictures of online. Anyone know anything about them? Are they just not good and that's why nobody talks about them?
Are you talking about Shin Godzilla in 2016? That was great and there have to be pictures of it online. I saw it in theater in my random flyover state. No idea about the 2022 one.
John
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I thought there was just the Netflix anime ones, and the Legendary live action ones? Besides Shin Godzilla, which is the better version of the Evangelion Rebuild movies.
I did just see that AppleTV+ is creating a Godzilla live action show, partnering with Toho/Legendary, so it may be a continuance of the Legendary movies. Didn't see a potential release date, so I'd say a year or two off.
It did just get Kurt and Wyatt Russell cast in it, and is set in the post-Godzilla 2014 era.
I did just see that AppleTV+ is creating a Godzilla live action show, partnering with Toho/Legendary, so it may be a continuance of the Legendary movies. Didn't see a potential release date, so I'd say a year or two off.
It did just get Kurt and Wyatt Russell cast in it, and is set in the post-Godzilla 2014 era.
...oooooh! That...interests me. I really liked the Legendary 'Zillas, even the pretty mediocre last one. (I still think King of the Monsters has one of the best trailers of all time, which of course the movie never could have lived up to.) I'm interested in seeing what they'll do with a TV show. That said, the human parts of those movies have always been the weakest, and I'm worried a TV show might end up with even more focus on them.
Also yeah Shin Godzilla is pretty great, check it out if you can.