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Elemental Who Would Win!
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Hawkgirl and Guy chat before their match. Guy convinces Girl to be part of charity dinner along with the rest of the League. They decide the match with a coin toss. Hawkgirl wins it.
Air Man does have some pretty strong winds so he might be able to blow Calcifer out immediately. If he doesn't and Calcifer is able to be whipped up bigger and higher by Air Man's air then it's going to go a lot differently. If that happens and Air Man doesn't adjust his AI routine then Calcifer will just keep growing until he engulfs Air Man. (I'm assuming the organizers of this tournament have a way to get Calcifer under control or to calm him down so he doesn't set everything on fire.)
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
Hawkgirl trounces Fieri while Calcifer burns Air Man. Guy Fieri is eliminated
All hair vs. just a ‘stache. It’s the battle of breath. Who has the better lung capacity and stamina? Or will it come down to other factors. One of these two fighters WILL be eliminated?
The Avatar of the elemental forces of his generation vs. fire embodied in a beast. Who will burn who?
Seventh Card
The Big Bad Wolf Vs. Karnov
The Big Bad Wolf Vs. Karnov
All hair vs. just a ‘stache. It’s the battle of breath. Who has the better lung capacity and stamina? Or will it come down to other factors. One of these two fighters WILL be eliminated?
Eighth Card
Aang Vs. Ifrit
Aang Vs. Ifrit
The Avatar of the elemental forces of his generation vs. fire embodied in a beast. Who will burn who?
The Big Bad Wolf's blowing is extremely impressive for a wind power, but please do remember that it requires him to huff and puff first. Thus, it is quite likely that he'll end up inhaling one of Karnov's rapid-fire fireballs and end up with a fatal case of smoker's lung.
As for the other match, I'm going to assuming that Aang would be able to largely neutralize Ifrit's attacks with firebending (and earthbending), and do some serious damage with waterbending. The only remaining question here is that of power levels, but given that Ifrit has been subdued by a high schooler at one point I don't think that would be a concern for Aang.
As for the other match, I'm going to assuming that Aang would be able to largely neutralize Ifrit's attacks with firebending (and earthbending), and do some serious damage with waterbending. The only remaining question here is that of power levels, but given that Ifrit has been subdued by a high schooler at one point I don't think that would be a concern for Aang.
Olli
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Going again with the Bigby Wolf version, the fight is more or less Karnov's medieval knight versus an attack helicopter. Big bad wolf wins easily.
I haven't seen any of the Avatar shows, but to my understanding Aang is essentially a shonen anime protagonist; some mid-tier demon is not going to do much except spout smoke and bravado.
I haven't seen any of the Avatar shows, but to my understanding Aang is essentially a shonen anime protagonist; some mid-tier demon is not going to do much except spout smoke and bravado.
I mean, as the elemental embodiment of fire, at least *some* versions of Ifrit are extremely powerful, enough that an average waterbender’s attacks might go up in steam before reaching him. But of course Aang is the Avatar, and in the Avatar State he’s been able to control a kaiju-sized water beast, which is definitely sufficient to put Ifrit down for the count.
The other match seems to depend heavily on exactly which version of each combatant with which capabilities shows up that day. Abstain.
The other match seems to depend heavily on exactly which version of each combatant with which capabilities shows up that day. Abstain.
Johnny Unusual
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Karnov has got this. This isn't a weak wolf but Karnov takes on dragons and whatnot.
The thing about summons is they show up and do an attack and go away. Aang just needs to survive one attack and its an elemental one, so he definitely can defend against it.
The thing about summons is they show up and do an attack and go away. Aang just needs to survive one attack and its an elemental one, so he definitely can defend against it.
Was 10 the only FF game where summons stuck around in battles?
Johnny Unusual
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Karnov strong arms his way to victory and Aang is really excited about the newly announced Avatar spin-off and also wins (unrelated).
Mud Arena
A sneaky martial artist who, despite being highly skilled, excels at playing dirty vs. a big ugly water monster. The Earth Ninja never fought space monsters but he is clever. But clever enough to destroy this beast?
This will be interesting. Two heavy hitters; one with super strength and an extremely tough hide. The other with high dexterity and skill at controlling water. Both are tough but also are incredibly kind-hearted and emotionally wise, though the Thing is a bit of a self-effacing grump. In most cases, neither would probably fight a REAL fight for no good reason but neither is above a good spar (The Thing even fought for sport as a member of the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation for a period).
Mud Arena
First Card
Earth Ninja Vs. Draygon
A sneaky martial artist who, despite being highly skilled, excels at playing dirty vs. a big ugly water monster. The Earth Ninja never fought space monsters but he is clever. But clever enough to destroy this beast?
Second Card
The Thing Vs. Katara
This will be interesting. Two heavy hitters; one with super strength and an extremely tough hide. The other with high dexterity and skill at controlling water. Both are tough but also are incredibly kind-hearted and emotionally wise, though the Thing is a bit of a self-effacing grump. In most cases, neither would probably fight a REAL fight for no good reason but neither is above a good spar (The Thing even fought for sport as a member of the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation for a period).
Purple
(She/Her)
The earth ninja's whole shtick is tunneling underground to set up ambushes. I'm fine assuming that general wuxia absudity means doing this while underwater and holding one's breath indefinitely isn't an issue at all, infinite lung capacity, weighted clothes, whatever. HOWEVER, Draygon's whole deal is hanging out in an area full of high suction quicksand pits and having a bunch of children perpetually hanging out down there lying in weight, so I gotta figure the burrow down leap out strategy is going to completely backfire.
And I guess The Thing wins because his tough skin means water whips aren't really going to do anything noticable?
And I guess The Thing wins because his tough skin means water whips aren't really going to do anything noticable?
Olli
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I'm going to say Earth Ninja wins because if ninjas are good at something, they're good at hitting an enemy in their big obvious weak spot?
For the second bout, The Thing has enough experience to take the match. He'll take some hits, sure, but he's not the kind of guy to tap out just because he gets wet.
For the second bout, The Thing has enough experience to take the match. He'll take some hits, sure, but he's not the kind of guy to tap out just because he gets wet.
Oh, hmm, yeah this is a tough match for Katara. Water is not exactly a strong toolkit against Thing's tough hide - even a barrage of razor-sharp icicles would probably just tickle. And while she knows a ton of really advanced techniques, there's no way would she pull out desperation move like blood-bending in a friendly match (does Thing even have blood anyway?). Of course, Thing wouldn't be trying to do irreversible damage either, so he'd be pulling his punches a bit.
One thought I had is that water *can* crack rocks if it seeps into cracks and then freezes. Katara could certainly pull off such a move (we see her rapidly manipulating ice/water transitions in her final battle with Azula), but literally trying to break Thing apart from the inside seems a bit cruel so she might rule that out as well. Another possible angle is to cause a mudslide to try to wash him right out of the arena for an out-of-bounds win, but if the Thing has that wrestling experience, he might see the move coming.
Still, she has enough options that she could give him a good match and hold him off for a good long while. I dunno, man. I think eventually they just call it a tie and sit down to swap stories. Katara could introduce him to Toph for some real fun times, those two would definitely hit it off.
One thought I had is that water *can* crack rocks if it seeps into cracks and then freezes. Katara could certainly pull off such a move (we see her rapidly manipulating ice/water transitions in her final battle with Azula), but literally trying to break Thing apart from the inside seems a bit cruel so she might rule that out as well. Another possible angle is to cause a mudslide to try to wash him right out of the arena for an out-of-bounds win, but if the Thing has that wrestling experience, he might see the move coming.
Still, she has enough options that she could give him a good match and hold him off for a good long while. I dunno, man. I think eventually they just call it a tie and sit down to swap stories. Katara could introduce him to Toph for some real fun times, those two would definitely hit it off.
Johnny Unusual
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I see it similarly including Katara forgetting hittin' him and look to immobilize him by attacking the ground around him. The Thing is not above friendly sparring but I don't think he'd attack a kid who physically wouldn't be able to take a super punch. If anything, Ben would probably just decide to win through sheer endurance. Yeah, in the old days, the Thing was ready to throw a punch at the drop of a hat. He was kind of mean-spirited due to some bitterness of his situation. But the Thing is a real sweetheart and he'd rather work through this by letting her exhaust herself. I think this will initially be a mistake when she starts attacking the ground but that's a strategy much better for an earthbender than a waterbender, unless she's in just the right location.
So Thing wins simply by waiting the fight out. Katara is grateful for the match and for seeing this as a learning experience, which probably takes Ben by some mild surprise, since often people who want to fight him are quick to anger-types or arrogant ones. I think the Thing appreciates humble people and they' probably be good friends.
I want Earth Ninja to win this one, I really do. This sneaky creep has the skills and wits. But even if he has time to plan for a trap, I genuinely think this is a monster he's not prepared for. It's a real "one wrong move and you fail" situation and I think he will do that one wrong move. Draygon wins.
+1 to all this.
In terms of raw power and speed, Draygon has the Earth Ninja beat. Her goop is especially dangerous, since if he gets caught in it, then it's basically over for him.
Earth Ninja's main path to salvation is finding a way to electrocute Draygon. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that the tournament organizers put high-voltage sources in the arena for just this match, but I'm not sure that would be enough. Earth Ninja doesn't have a power suit, so he can't just let the electricity pass through him without being the first to die. Likewise, if he connected two voltage sources with a wire, Draygon would probably be able to approach it with enough speed to just snap it without suffering major harm. Thus, in order to win, he'd have to find a way to make a high-voltage net, which I don't think is logistically possible for him in the context of a death battle. (If the earth ninja had the foresight to acquire a plasma beam and xray scope before the match, he'd have a fighting chance, but I don't see that happening.)
Thus, Draygon is not the shrimpier opponent in this matchup.
As far as The Thing versus Katara, I don't think Katara has anything in her kit (that she's be willing to use) that would have any appreciable effect on The Thing. The Thing, on the other hand, would at least have the ability to pin her down for the count if nothing else (if he were to catch up to her). Gonna have to give this to The Thing.
Earth Ninja's main path to salvation is finding a way to electrocute Draygon. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that the tournament organizers put high-voltage sources in the arena for just this match, but I'm not sure that would be enough. Earth Ninja doesn't have a power suit, so he can't just let the electricity pass through him without being the first to die. Likewise, if he connected two voltage sources with a wire, Draygon would probably be able to approach it with enough speed to just snap it without suffering major harm. Thus, in order to win, he'd have to find a way to make a high-voltage net, which I don't think is logistically possible for him in the context of a death battle. (If the earth ninja had the foresight to acquire a plasma beam and xray scope before the match, he'd have a fighting chance, but I don't see that happening.)
Thus, Draygon is not the shrimpier opponent in this matchup.
As far as The Thing versus Katara, I don't think Katara has anything in her kit (that she's be willing to use) that would have any appreciable effect on The Thing. The Thing, on the other hand, would at least have the ability to pin her down for the count if nothing else (if he were to catch up to her). Gonna have to give this to The Thing.
My guy the Earth Ninja just keeps getting terrible matchups. 
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So poison is one of Earth Ninja's tricks but I don't know if he would have anything that would affect a large aquatic alien creature.
Really long bamboo tube.
Yes, but he's an Earth Ninja so wouldn't he be grounded?
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So poison is one of Earth Ninja's tricks but I don't know if he would have anything that would affect a large aquatic alien creature.
Or The Thing could just gently grab her and place her out of bounds after a little bit of seeing what Katara can do first.
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
Where Monsters Dwell? In the winners circle with Draygon and The Thing. Katara and Earth Ninja are eliminated.
Two nearly unkillable deadly threats! One is an undead wizard who rots the earth just by hanging around while the other is a shapeshifting metal monster. Whoever wins, we lose!
Both like to start shit but they are definitely on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Toph likes to get in a good scrap and is often willing to tease her friends but sticks by through thick and thin. Ultros, meanwhile, will starts fights he thinks he can win then leaves when it gets tough. But he’s no weakling, having a variety of magical powers and nasty tricks and also is a big octopus monster.
Third Card
Lich Vs. T-1000
Two nearly unkillable deadly threats! One is an undead wizard who rots the earth just by hanging around while the other is a shapeshifting metal monster. Whoever wins, we lose!
Fourth Card
Toph Vs. Ultros
Toph Vs. Ultros
Both like to start shit but they are definitely on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Toph likes to get in a good scrap and is often willing to tease her friends but sticks by through thick and thin. Ultros, meanwhile, will starts fights he thinks he can win then leaves when it gets tough. But he’s no weakling, having a variety of magical powers and nasty tricks and also is a big octopus monster.
Olli
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The Lich may be a very powerful foe against any living enemy, but robots don't care about death magic. T-1000 just keeps coming through any undead minions and wins with stab stab stab.
In the second fight, Ultros can use his ink attack to blind, and that's hard to recover from when you're alone, being pummeled by tentacles and magic attacks. You really need some friends to put that octopus down for good.
In the second fight, Ultros can use his ink attack to blind, and that's hard to recover from when you're alone, being pummeled by tentacles and magic attacks. You really need some friends to put that octopus down for good.
Johnny Unusual
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This is a joke, right?
yeah. isn't Toph's whole shtick that she's blind?
like, I'm sure Toph would find the ink attack annoying (insofar as being covered by any sort of goop is annoying), but it would have no functional effect against her. besides, doesn't the blindness status effect have no effect in the SNES version of the game?
like, I'm sure Toph would find the ink attack annoying (insofar as being covered by any sort of goop is annoying), but it would have no functional effect against her. besides, doesn't the blindness status effect have no effect in the SNES version of the game?
Johnny Unusual
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The T-1000 vs. the Lich would be a heck of a fight. Lich has some powerful attacks but most of them are designed to take out flesh and blood humans. The T-1000 would similarly find himself stymied by a tougher than usual opponent in an undead fiend that probably goes beyond what he has been prepared for. Nonetheless, the T-1000 would make it out of this one and after quite a while would be able to tear the Lich apart.
This is a mostly even battle. Ultros has magic on his side but Toph has her incomparable earth bending. Ultros has tentacles but very few opponents can make a move without Toph sensing them coming. Ultros will probably not figure out Toph is blind when he tries to ink her and will not be prepared for her precise retaliation. His magic will certainly cause some grief but the long and short of it is when the going gets tough, the Toph get going while Ultros tends to flee when things aren't going his way.
This is a mostly even battle. Ultros has magic on his side but Toph has her incomparable earth bending. Ultros has tentacles but very few opponents can make a move without Toph sensing them coming. Ultros will probably not figure out Toph is blind when he tries to ink her and will not be prepared for her precise retaliation. His magic will certainly cause some grief but the long and short of it is when the going gets tough, the Toph get going while Ultros tends to flee when things aren't going his way.
I think Lich's ICE2 could slow the T1K down. LIT2 could also disrupt/weaken it someway but probably not destroy it outright. I think the T1K could shrug off FIR2 but I think NUKE could be as hot / powerful as a smelting furnace so I think that ultimate spell could take out the T1K. Lich's Sleep and instant death spells probably won't work on the T1K but paralysis might. I don't think Lich is fast enough to kite the T1K while hitting the robot with long range spells. And that isn't Lich's usual strategy so Lich probably wouldn't even try to do that. The T1K is very deadly against ordinary people but decidely less so against an undead monster like Lich. I think the T1K does have the brute strength necessary to put Lich down but it would be a long and arduous process. I guess Lich gets lucky in one of the later rounds of the fight and slings out a NUKE which lets him emerge battered but victorious.
Ultros has been tricked / fooled by little girls before but I doubt Toph could keep her snarky nature in check long enough to try and put on a sweet and innocent act for doing that. I'm trying to remember - can Ultros do anything other than Inking and Tentacling?
Ultros has been tricked / fooled by little girls before but I doubt Toph could keep her snarky nature in check long enough to try and put on a sweet and innocent act for doing that. I'm trying to remember - can Ultros do anything other than Inking and Tentacling?
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Olli
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I said what I said
Purple
(She/Her)
So far as I am aware the only actual means of attack the T-1000 has is to make a finger go all long and pointy, or I guess maybe use a stolen gun. Either way though that is piercing damage, where you're just going right for a vital organ. Lich doesn't have any of those being a magical skeleton, but does have elemental magic which the T-1000 is canonically weak to.
It takes Ultros at least 5 minutes to push a 16 ton weight off of some scaffolding whereas Toph can send one flying just by like clapping. Under other circumstances though I could see the two forming a comedy duo... which might then end tragically due to sexual harassment, ruining Ultros' image for at least 5 years.
It takes Ultros at least 5 minutes to push a 16 ton weight off of some scaffolding whereas Toph can send one flying just by like clapping. Under other circumstances though I could see the two forming a comedy duo... which might then end tragically due to sexual harassment, ruining Ultros' image for at least 5 years.