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Elemental Who Would Win!

Torzelbaum

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Johnny versus Iroh is an interesting one. I think Johnny would be immune to Iroh's fire but I'm not sure about the lightning. If this is an experienced Johnny in the battle then Iroh's mind for strategy might not be much help.

Can Iroh affect Johnny's flames or vice versa? Would Iroh try to convince Johnny to have some type of contest or competition instead of a battle? Would Johnny be willing to do that or could Iroh talk him into it?
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Can Iroh affect Johnny's flames or vice versa? Would Iroh try to convince Johnny to have some type of contest or competition instead of a battle? Would Johnny be willing to do that or could Iroh talk him into it?
Definitely questions I've asked myself. My feeling is yes except each can pull back on the others. Johnny's power is innate and I feel like it takes relatively less effort than a bender to do big moves with fire so if Iroh needs a chance, it would be lightning bending and martial arts and using other fire bending more defensively rather than risk him absorbing his flame (I feel like it wouldn't take Iroh too long to figure that out).

In the mighty Marvel Manner, when a Marvel character meets another hero there's usually a misunderstanding and a fight. But that's in part because a lot of the heroes they meet are antisocial grumps (especially in the 60s and 70s). I feel like Iroh would be pretty quick to try to diffuse a fight, setting him apart from most fire benders. Would Johnny listen? Hard to say but while he is a hothead, he's not the Hulk, per se, and I think is more likely to listen to reason because Iroh is smart enough to find an effective solution.

I could definitely see both enter into a friendly competition, one where Iroh would want to use it as an opportunity to teach (and maybe have fun) and Johnny satisfy his ego. And really, whatever happens, I think this is a close one. It's a very different match one with raw power with surprising ability to use the power in unique ways while Iroh is cautious and clever. Johnny isn't always the brightest nail but I think he will refuse to let it come to a fist fight and would stick to fighting from a distance. Iroh would be sweating but could probably handle the fireballs. It would be one of the best battles we've seen so far, in my opinion. But for all his experience, I think Johnny comes with too many tricks and variables in the end. He might humble Johnny a bit but unless the competition is more specific than "fight fire with fire" (Iroh might be able to win if he states the terms and Johnny could be arrogant enough to accept), I think Johnny takes it.

But I think afterwards, both of them will be exchanging notes on fire manipulation ideas.

I love Angry Sun but I'll give any RPG playable over a Mario monster. Konomaru takes it.
 

Purple

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While the sun can possess a statue of a good dog and save the world from stuff, and that's all well and good, I really just don't see a world where a more or less regular dog can do anything against a malevolently animated sun. Which no, you can't just throw fireballs at.

Meanwhile I generally believe the kindly old uncle who knows how to do fire stuff and also is prone to teaching hotheaded teens to mellow out and improve themselves is definitely going to do that when posed with an absolutely textbook one of those, and that's clearly a win. Teach that punk to work at a restaurant or something.
 

Violentvixen

(She/Her)
Koromaru! He's also immune to fire once he gets powerful enough so he can just poison the sun with his demon summon Cerberus. Or stab it since he carries a knife.

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And Iroh. Human Torch always seemed to make mistakes and be overconfident from what I read of the comics.
 
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Olli

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Konomaru seems way more versatile than the angry sun. If Mario can bonk it, then surely one of the dog's attacks will do as well.

I nominated the Fantastic Four, but seems that Iroh would be more or less immune to any of Johnny's fire-based attacks and generally have better control and presence of mind to subdue the single-minded Human Torch - possibly with a simple knock to the head if need be.
 

Mogri

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Angry Iroh.

The sun is nearly invincible. Mario can kill it with a star, but that's it.

Johnny is a strong fighter who's immune to Iroh's primary form of attack -- but he's also not super bright and is easily manipulated, whereas we never see anyone get the better of Iroh that I can recall. Iroh can also easily deflect Johnny's primary attack.
 

RT-55J

space hero for hire
(He/Him + RT/artee)
According to Super Mario Wiki, the angry sun can be defeated with a koopa shell and the hammer bros suit, and also several other things in Mario Maker 2. Heck, I'm almost certain that Mario's butt when sliding down a slope hurts it as well (steadfastly refusing to do the research here).

Koromaru's kit looks much more impressive in comparison, so I'm gonna have to give it up to the clever boy.

As for Torch vs. Iroh, I'm getting the vibes that the Human Torch would eke out a win in a battle of strength, while Iroh would handily win a battle of wits (which, given any appreciably-sized arena, seems more likely). For this reason I'm gonna have to give this match to Iroh.
 

Kirin

Summon for hire
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The Sun is scary, but it’s ultimately a mook with a single plan of attack. Koromaru is smart enough to learn the pattern and dodge quickly, though he does still have to beat it and fire magic isn’t going to work here, plus the Sun seems more susceptible to blunt damage and all his physical attacks are slash type. Fortunately he has more tools in his kit and the sun might turn out to be poisonable or susceptible to almighty damage… and if all else fails, since the sun can be taken out by star Mario it stand to reason its not immune to Instant Death, so Koromaru can just keep trying one of those skills ‘til it sticks.

On the second match, I agree with most of Johnny’s long exposition up there, except for the final outcome - I’m still gonna give it to Iroh’s experience and level-headedness over the younger hothead, but I do think they’d leave on good terms after a great match.
 

Johnny Unusual

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Konomaru defeats an angry sun while Iroh defeats the Human Torch.

Third Card

Guy Fieri


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Just going to copy-paste Wikipedia here.

Guy Ramsay Fieri (US: /fiˈɛdi/,[6] Italian: [ˈfjɛːri]; né Ferry;[7][8] born January 22, 1968) is an American restaurateur, author, and an Emmy Award winning television presenter. He co-owned three now defunct restaurants in California. He licenses his name to restaurants in cities all over the world, and is known for hosting various television series on the Food Network. In 2010, The New York Times reported that Fieri had become the "face of the network", bringing an "element of rowdy, mass-market culture to American food television" and that his "prime-time shows attract more male viewers than any others on the network".

After winning the second season of The Next Food Network Star on April 23, 2006, Fieri was awarded a six-episode commitment for his own cooking show on Food Network. Guy's Big Bite premiered on June 25, 2006, with the most recent episode airing on November 16, 2016. Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives, his second series, premiered in April 2007 (a one-hour special aired in November 2006), with Fieri traveling the country visiting local eateries. The New York Times called the series "not a cooking show as much as a carefully engineered reality show”.

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Calcifer

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From the Ghibli wiki

Calcifer is bound to the confines of Howl's Castle after he struck a deal with Howl years prior. He later strikes another magical bargain with Sophie, hoping she can break his curse. Calcifer cares about Howl, Sophie, and their makeshift family despite his grandiose threats and prickly demeanor. He worries about Howl's penchant for war and that it will inevitably change him.

Calcifer is confined to the castle's hearth, and after he strikes a deal with Sophie, does a good job in cooking their meals.

Calcifer is in a magical contract with Howl. He was originally a falling star, which Howl could catch before he fell to earth and extinguished.

He promises to use his magic to break the curse on Sophie, provided she breaks the contract between him and Howl. Howl describes Calcifer as "his weakest point" because Calcifer wouldn't give away another demon if it entered the castle, even if it had hostile intentions. However, Howl's statement is true in more ways than one.

Calcifer's role in the film is similar to that in the book moving Howl's Castle. Unlike in the book, however, he is forced out of the hearth by Sophie, causing the castle to collapse and breaking its connection with Market Chipping in an effort to find and save Howl. By consuming Sophie's hair, he is able to have enough power to move the castle across The Wastes to find Howl.



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Karnov


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Jinborov Karnovskio is a circus strongman from Soviet Union's Central Asian republics. In the first game, he uses his fire breathing ability to battle monsters and collect a treasure in the nation of Cleamina. In the NES game, he was summoned by God himself to battle Alakatai the wizard. When he beats the game with a high score, he becomes the god of war.

In the games, he most uses his fire breath but also gets a number of tools and weapons such as a bomb, a boomerang, jump boots, a ladder, the “clapper”, a shield, and a “super flame” (depending on which game you play). He appears later in Karnov’s Revenge, a fighting game where he gets a “Super 100 Kick” and a “Balloon Attack” where he is invincible to conventional striking attacks for a moment after he inflates his body.

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Marty McFly

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Marty McFly is a teen from 1985 who was best friends with scientist Doc Brown. Brown invented a time machine out of a Delorean and Marty, having to escape some terrorists (yeah, it was a wild scene) uses it to travel back in time. Accidentally preventing his parents “meet cute”, he is forced to convince them to get back together to save his existence. Soon after, he has several time travel adventures with Doc Brown, even travelling to the old west.

Marty McFly is a brave young man and until the last movie can be easily provoked by calling him a “chicken” (which they act like was a thing the whole time but is just in part 2 and 3). Marty is clever and tough. Though often punches above his weight class with mixed success, he tends to be more successful when he forgoes fighting and uses his wits to escape via skateboard. The submitter also says he has access to his Delorean, so it will also allow him to travel in time, though in his experience altering/correcting the timeline is a pretty rocky road. The Delorean itself travels only when it can hit 88 miles per hour.
 

Mogri

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Mundane humans take this round for me.

Guy knows his way around a cooking fire. This might be the only contender where he has an advantage relative to other contestants.

In the second pairing, I don't see how Karnov avoids death by vehicular manslaughter. I don't remember him being particularly agile, and the DeLorean can withstand a little fire breath.
 

Violentvixen

(She/Her)
I don't think Guy Fieri would technically defeat Calcifer but he'd absolutely just use him as a tool and win and everyone would have tasty food. If this also results in Guy Fieri going around various Ghibli worlds in the Castle doing a cooking show I am 100% watching that show.

abstain on the second, at least for now. Marty could absolutely escape but I'm debating on if he could win.
 

Torzelbaum

????? LV 13 HP 292/ 292
(he, him, his)
Guy does have a lot of kitchen experience so he's probably used to dealing with unruly fires but has he ever dealt with a fire demon before?

And what can Calcifer do? I see he is vulnerable to water and running out of food/fuel so Guy could maybe use that to defeat him or take him out.

In the second pairing, I don't see how Karnov avoids death by vehicular manslaughter. I don't remember him being particularly agile, and the DeLorean can withstand a little fire breath.
But would Marty really try to do that? Runing someone over seems very out of character for Marty.

Karnov is about as agile as the average fighting game character if using that version. In his action platformer version he is a bit slow and also floaty when jumping but he's not as bad as NES Belmonts but he's not as agile as Mario.

On a side note has Marty ever really won a physical confrontation?
 
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Olli

(he/him)
Guy Fieri can definitely take out a small fire who's often on the verge of being snuffed out anyway.

Karnov has offence for days. Marty would have the edge in a race or a talent contest or a beauty pageant or almost anything else, but he's not a great fighter by any means.
 

RT-55J

space hero for hire
(He/Him + RT/artee)
I agree with all the above arguments for why Guy Fieri has an advantage over Calcifer.

As for Marty vs. Karnov, I don't see Mr. McFly having any counters against Mr. Karnovskio's rapid-fire triple fire breath, let alone any of the other bits of his bizarrely eclectic kit. If Marty tried running him over with the DeLorean, Karnov could just summon a ladder to gain an elevation advantage and gracefully fall back to the ground like a balloon, or just grow some wings whilst continuously belching fireballs. Marty's best chance of survival would be to escape (whether spatially or temporally), but at that point he's just forfeiting the match by going out of bounds.

Karnov
 
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Johnny Unusual

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I think there are some situations where an escape is a win but I think it is dependent of the context of the two challengers and their goals. Karnov would see it as a win to avoid the fight. Marty would be happy to get away (I feel like this happened in the movie, it would be an amusing visual and minor set piece before a big scene that matters to the story) but I don't think he'd view it as a win. In addition, as powerful as time travel is Marty rarely leverages it in a Doctor Who way to really stop a problem before it starts (and the one time he tried with a sports almanac, it nearly destroyed history). So this goes to Karnov.

Yeah, I get the feeling from reading the wiki Calcifer can be powerful but he is also show. So he'd probably immediately acquiesce to Guy Fieri's big personality.
 

Purple

(She/Her)
I am incapable of picturing any world where Guy Fieri and Calcifer meet that doesn't just lead to them hitting it off and collaborating on a a spicy rack of ribs or something. Just a big win for both of them really.

Meanwhile, yeah, Karnov, no contest. Further more I question Marty's affiliation with fire. I mean he's been known to travel in a time machine that produces a small amount of flame when activating, but never in a way that causes any longterm concern, and more importantly that time machine belongs to his friend. I suppose he has the firey passion of youth, but that's no help against a big shirtless guy who spits fireballs.
 

Kirin

Summon for hire
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So here's the thing on match 1 - yeah, Fieri is experienced in handling cooking fires, but he's only used to the non-sentient kind. Calcifer, meanwhile, though generally blustery but good-hearted, can definitely be a little sneak and isn't above getting a cheap shot in. So here's how I see it going down: Calcifer chats up Guy, who's intrigued by the idea of what could be done with a cooking assistant literally made of fire, and convinces him to feed him a steady stream of fuel while they cook up increasingly heat-requiring tasty dishes. Then, after he's built up plenty of power from all the fuel, some time when Fieri is distracted by all the cooking, he shoots out a little stream of fire and lights up Guy's rather flammable-looking spikey hairdo. Guy runs out in search of a fire extinguisher and Calcifer takes the win.

I don't think I can be as contrarian on the second card, though. Karnov obviously has every advantage in a face-to-face fight (even against the car I think he could handle himself with floaty dodges and projectile attacks), so Marty's only recourse would be to time travel and try to arrange something to alter or avoid the match altogether... which we seem to have decided constitutes going out of bounds. So Karnov by default.
 

Johnny Unusual

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Karnov and Guy Fieri take the wins!
Fifth Card

Rachel Amber

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I know nothing of this character so here’s what it says in Wikipedia.

Her character is introduced in the eponymous Life Is Strange as an affluent, popular student who is the former best friend of character Chloe Price. She attended the protagonist Max Caulfield's school and has mysteriously vanished, serving as one theme of the story. In the prequel game Life Is Strange: Before the Storm, Rachel is a main character and forms a relationship with protagonist Chloe, which is optionally romantic.

Rachel is initially introduced as an affluent and popular student of Blackwell Academy who mysteriously vanishes without explanation. Rachel is stated to be the best friend of character Chloe Price and is implied to have had illicit romantic or sexual relationship with art teacher Mark Jefferson. Throughout the town of Arcadia Bay, missing persons posters depicting Rachel, including those put up by Price, are seen.

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Ifrit

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Ifrit is a summon from Final Fantasy based on the same-named mythological creature. The Ifrit first appeared in Final Fantasy III. It could do heal or do damage based on how it is summoned. In later games, it is largely an offensive attack figure, casting powers like Hellfire. In most version, he does damage to all enemies.

Throughout the series, the Ifrit had various designs but it has had some similarities in most versions. Its horns are often very long (or at least big) and it has a tail. Sometimes it looks more humanoid but in other times it can be a strange monster. The version *I* most remember is in Final Fantasy VI (AKA III) where is actually is a character, near death before being found by the protagonists and becomes one of the team’s summons.



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First Card

The Loch Ness Monster

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The Loch Ness Monster was famously sighted in 1933 and was called Monster Fish, Sea Serpent and Dragon before being called the Loch Ness Monster. It lives in Loch Ness in Scotland. There have been tales of it in centuries prior but this is the one that got public attention. Descriptions of it generally are of a plesiosaur-like dinosaur. It is believed prior to public knowledge of the plesiosaur, earlier legends may have had it resemble something more akin to a kelpie.

Public interest has made the Loch Ness Monster a popular local legend and definitely has resulted in a cottage industry. Look, I’m not even verifying the truth of it, I’m just confident, making me a cryptozoologist in my own right. The creature has since appeared in pop culture and usually is show if not outright friendly, is a shy gentle giant, though there are some rare exceptions.



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Draygon

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There’s a lot I’m not sure of here. I know in the mythology of Metroid, Samus fights a lot of monstrous Space Pirates but this seems more akin to a straight up alien animal. It appears in an underwater level. Samus encounters what I assume are it’s children before attacking you personally. The creature slimes the player with weird mucus before grabbing you but the player can defeat it by using its grappling hook to connect to an electrical current until it is destroyed. There are other ways to beat it, too, with the vulnerable tummy being the usual focus.

The original design for Draygon was apparently supposed to be nastier but it’s horrific enough as is. When defeated, it apparently is eaten by its own children. Nasty!
 

Torzelbaum

????? LV 13 HP 292/ 292
(he, him, his)
So what does Rachel Amber have to do with fire?

Does Nessie have any special powers or are they just a regular plesiosaur?
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
So what does Rachel Amber have to do with fire?
No clue.

Does Nessie have any special powers or are they just a regular plesiosaur?
I don't think in the larger Nessie mythos there's much different than a regular dino. I will say, of course, with a cryptid, mythos can be murkier than a regular fictional figure. In the TV show Mountain Monsters, there are psychic bigfeet with magic powers that can only be destroyed with a magic sword or something.

I think it's a "what do YOU think" scenario. And to me, regular sea dino.
 

Mogri

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For me, it's a slam-dunk win for Team Claws and Sharp Teeth.

I never realized the Draygonlings were meant to be consuming their parent's corpse. That's... neat?
 

Torzelbaum

????? LV 13 HP 292/ 292
(he, him, his)
I don't think Nessie can do much to Draygon unless she gets in a lucky hit to a vital area. And while there is less of a size difference and Nessie won't take as much damage from Draygon as Samus would, Nessie will still take damage - just not as quickly. So I think in the end Draygon has the over in this underwater battle.

(I don't know how similar or different aquatic environments are between Earth and Zebes so there is a small chance that could play a factor here. But without any proof or reasoning for that happening I am going to assume that there is no impact to either contestant in that regard.)
 
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Torzelbaum

????? LV 13 HP 292/ 292
(he, him, his)
So what does Rachel Amber have to do with fire?
So I did a little research on TV Tropes and found out that people believe that Rachel might have the ability to summon fire (or maybe wind or maybe weather control) but it seems like she doesn't have conscious control of it. There is also nothing I can find which says that she is immune to fire. So based on that I think Ifrit wins this firefight.
 

Issun

(He/Him)
Yeah, Rachel's link to fire is tenuous but it's there in Before the Storm. I was going for some variety (like when I threw in Michael Scott last time) and also I assumed we'd be doing tier rankings like last time.
 

Olli

(he/him)
Teenage girl with no obvious weapons vs a mid-rank fire demon? Rachel wins, and it's going to be a slam dunk. It's like you guys never saw an anime?

I think Nessie's most notable strength is being hard to find, which is not something that wins fights. Draygon.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
I guess the Ifrit is going to destroy a teenager.

Draygon has some nasty tricks but it's underbelly seems fairly exposed. I feel like Nessie is not super aggressive but if a monster attacks it, it will strike back. I think Nessie takes it, though it will be a bloody battle.
 
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