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Cyberpunk 2077
- Thread starter Mr Bean
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My immediate thought was
CDPR: "use PSN's refund system"
PSN's refund system: "Did you install it? Fuck you."
I fully expect at least some people to run into trouble trying to refund on Sony's end because of this crap.
You know what? Same
You know... I actually kind of thought CDPR communicated with Sony about accepting refunds, but I guess that was wildly optimistic.
CDPR basically going "tag, you're it!" to distributors without actually having set up a proper communications channel is just the exquisite cherry on this creamy sundae of project management.
I thought I had read some headline that CDPR's stock value had dropped due to CP77's terrible reception, but I may have dreamed it.
I thought I had read some headline that CDPR's stock value had dropped due to CP77's terrible reception, but I may have dreamed it.
It did, but it dropped to like, 2019 levels.
Okay fuck the glitches, this is the REAL shit. This is the real funny stuff
Fuck yeah dude, it's punk as fuck to salute our heroes in blue who shoot first and ask questions later if you don't do what they say cuz they're HEROES and heroes are NEVER WRONG also we said they were corrupt two sentences earlier but nevermind that I guess
Fuck yeah dude, it's punk as fuck to salute our heroes in blue who shoot first and ask questions later if you don't do what they say cuz they're HEROES and heroes are NEVER WRONG also we said they were corrupt two sentences earlier but nevermind that I guess
Y’all realise that it’s common for wheelchair users to be able to stand/walk/even run, right?
They need a wheelchair cos it gives them independence cos they can’t be ambulatory for long. A wheelchair simply makes it easier for them to either conserve their energy or help manage pain.
They need a wheelchair cos it gives them independence cos they can’t be ambulatory for long. A wheelchair simply makes it easier for them to either conserve their energy or help manage pain.
Yeah, my mom uses a battery-powered chair at work for those very reasons.
Absolutely, but I thought the zinger of the video was how after sprinting away, they magically teleport back to their chair like nothing happened.
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
I thought this was based on the Cyberpunk P&P RPG, not the Mage one.
This new title that I'm going to refer to this game as is just chef's kiss.
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
Cyberpunk 2077 is the Blink 182 of Cyberpunk: More pop than punk, thinks nudity/sex is high comedy, and some of the people involved are probably conspiracy nuts.
madhair60
Video games
In the interests of journalistic integrity, I played this game for a bit. I promise you, friends who are rightly boycotting it, I am not memeing when I tell you it's fucking bad. It's bland, boring, mechanically substandard and held together with well-worn duct tape. Putting aside politics, it's quite simply a badly-made, unenjoyable game. But you shouldn't put aside politics.
Edit: I am told it "picks up" later in the game, but I have felt no urge to return whatsoever.
Edit: I am told it "picks up" later in the game, but I have felt no urge to return whatsoever.
Regulus
Sir Knightbot
I was gifted this for my birthday a couple of days before it came out, and have been playing it quite a bit the last week. I was interested in the game because I enjoyed the Witcher III (which, while not without problems, handles the writing for its women much better than "collectible sex cards" Witcher I), but I was pretty much unplugged from the hype otherwise and didn't really follow the news until a few days ago, after popping my head into this topic. Yikes.
2077's honestly not that bad. Yes, it's pretty buggy, but not appreciably more than your standard Bethesda game. Outside of sneaking and quickhacking, the actual game mechanics have not been that interesting (and might be broken in some cases), but the writing in the main story missions is reasonably compelling in the same way that the Witcher III often was. It can be more crass than I usually like, but I'm really enjoying getting to know some of the characters. I've mostly been on the Evelyn Parker/Judy Alvarez questline so far, about 30ish hours in.
I don't blame anybody for boycotting it in light of transphobic marketing, exploitative development practices, cultural stereotyping, or literally anything else, because they're all definitely problematic. But I do feel like the cultural reaction (at least in the left-leaning circles that I spend my time in) is being driven mostly by out-of-context takes from people who have no interest in spending any time with the game. Which, again, I don't really blame anyone for. My relatively blind experience with the game doesn't quite match up, though. Setting aside the irony that this is a AAA-budget game that was released before it was ready to capitalize on the holiday season after months of worker-exploitation, it's still relatively critical of capitalism. Yes, you can do optional missions for the NCPD, but they're mostly portrayed as awful (and I think a lot of people are mistaking Regina Jones, one of your mission contacts, as a cop herself, but she isn't. On the contrary, she seems to be hiring you because she doesn't trust the NCPD to handle things without killing people). One of the side missions I've done was critical of toxic masculinity and has a pretty depressing ending if you don't confront it. I've also encountered one trans character so far -- the bartender at The Afterlife, Claire Russell, is a pretty neutral portrayal, which feels pretty positive? ...if that makes sense. She's a gearhead and street racer with a trans pride flag painted on the back of her custom racer. I haven't finished her side missions yet, so I don't know if it takes a turn for the worse or not, but the text exchanges you can have with her about the upcoming races are pretty cute.
I think estragon is probably on to something in the other topic in regards to CDPR's clumsy politics. At least the corporate side seems to be aiming for a "try not to alienate any potential customers" stance on things. That unfortunately (unforgivably?) includes alt-righty GG types. I do wonder about the creative side, though, if only because there's been a noticeable improvement in the portrayal of women with each CDPR game I've played. It feels like someone is making an effort to be better, even if they're tripping over things they should have seen coming and then doubling down (or feigning ignorance) when called out on it.
2077's honestly not that bad. Yes, it's pretty buggy, but not appreciably more than your standard Bethesda game. Outside of sneaking and quickhacking, the actual game mechanics have not been that interesting (and might be broken in some cases), but the writing in the main story missions is reasonably compelling in the same way that the Witcher III often was. It can be more crass than I usually like, but I'm really enjoying getting to know some of the characters. I've mostly been on the Evelyn Parker/Judy Alvarez questline so far, about 30ish hours in.
I don't blame anybody for boycotting it in light of transphobic marketing, exploitative development practices, cultural stereotyping, or literally anything else, because they're all definitely problematic. But I do feel like the cultural reaction (at least in the left-leaning circles that I spend my time in) is being driven mostly by out-of-context takes from people who have no interest in spending any time with the game. Which, again, I don't really blame anyone for. My relatively blind experience with the game doesn't quite match up, though. Setting aside the irony that this is a AAA-budget game that was released before it was ready to capitalize on the holiday season after months of worker-exploitation, it's still relatively critical of capitalism. Yes, you can do optional missions for the NCPD, but they're mostly portrayed as awful (and I think a lot of people are mistaking Regina Jones, one of your mission contacts, as a cop herself, but she isn't. On the contrary, she seems to be hiring you because she doesn't trust the NCPD to handle things without killing people). One of the side missions I've done was critical of toxic masculinity and has a pretty depressing ending if you don't confront it. I've also encountered one trans character so far -- the bartender at The Afterlife, Claire Russell, is a pretty neutral portrayal, which feels pretty positive? ...if that makes sense. She's a gearhead and street racer with a trans pride flag painted on the back of her custom racer. I haven't finished her side missions yet, so I don't know if it takes a turn for the worse or not, but the text exchanges you can have with her about the upcoming races are pretty cute.
I think estragon is probably on to something in the other topic in regards to CDPR's clumsy politics. At least the corporate side seems to be aiming for a "try not to alienate any potential customers" stance on things. That unfortunately (unforgivably?) includes alt-righty GG types. I do wonder about the creative side, though, if only because there's been a noticeable improvement in the portrayal of women with each CDPR game I've played. It feels like someone is making an effort to be better, even if they're tripping over things they should have seen coming and then doubling down (or feigning ignorance) when called out on it.
This is an incredible thread (lightly misplaces blame on developers who are definitely not primarily at fault relative to company management) kind of going over yes, it is not as buggy as it appears. Because the weird bullshit is often working-as-intended features meant to act as a stopgap to make the game playable at all, and results in one of the worst open worlds to date. "less going on under the hood than GTA 2" is how I saw it characterized in a quote tweet at some point and from everything I've seen that doesn't appear to be wrong. There is apparently a TON of nonsense about how half of the stats from perks and equipment are just non-functional though so I imagine that's fun in an RPG of this type.
I've also seen a lot of criticism about the endings and it sounds awfully close to another Mass Effect 3 situation. The big difference here being that the ENTIRE game missed the point rather than just its endings so having terrible endings is just on-theme for the game's apparent goal of pretending it isn't spitting in the face of Cyberpunk.
I am not personally playing it, but I have friends who are and they agree with basically every critical take I've put in front of them so I'm not getting the feeling that anything is particularly out of context. One of said friends told me about that toxic masculinity quest and both our reads on it from that and other interactions with the NCPD was that the game is trying incredibly hard to humanize horribly corrupt, murderous cops in the same breath as it tells us they're horribly corrupt and murderous. That's not to say there isn't any quality writing present in the game. But in this example it's heavily tempered by some really insidious shit like wanting you to celebrate the immediate source of perpetuated toxicity asshole cop of all things who moments ago wanted to just shake some sense into the SEVERELY DEPRESSED person grieving the loss of their reason for getting out of bed when he goes into pure fantasy territory and acts like a caring human for ten seconds.
I've also seen a lot of criticism about the endings and it sounds awfully close to another Mass Effect 3 situation. The big difference here being that the ENTIRE game missed the point rather than just its endings so having terrible endings is just on-theme for the game's apparent goal of pretending it isn't spitting in the face of Cyberpunk.
I am not personally playing it, but I have friends who are and they agree with basically every critical take I've put in front of them so I'm not getting the feeling that anything is particularly out of context. One of said friends told me about that toxic masculinity quest and both our reads on it from that and other interactions with the NCPD was that the game is trying incredibly hard to humanize horribly corrupt, murderous cops in the same breath as it tells us they're horribly corrupt and murderous. That's not to say there isn't any quality writing present in the game. But in this example it's heavily tempered by some really insidious shit like wanting you to celebrate the immediate source of perpetuated toxicity asshole cop of all things who moments ago wanted to just shake some sense into the SEVERELY DEPRESSED person grieving the loss of their reason for getting out of bed when he goes into pure fantasy territory and acts like a caring human for ten seconds.
Regulus
Sir Knightbot
Oh, that particular quest is definitely not gracefully written. I was just surprised they went there at all.
I think that twitter thread is only half-right about how the game handles traffic. It's clear that they have very little AI. Maybe it's platform related (I'm playing on PC), but it definitely does not despawn stopped vehicles if you look away, though. I've parked just off the street and done entire side gigs nearby only to return to the exact same stopped vehicles 10 minutes later. This is... not necessarily preferable.
I think that twitter thread is only half-right about how the game handles traffic. It's clear that they have very little AI. Maybe it's platform related (I'm playing on PC), but it definitely does not despawn stopped vehicles if you look away, though. I've parked just off the street and done entire side gigs nearby only to return to the exact same stopped vehicles 10 minutes later. This is... not necessarily preferable.
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I'd been looking forward to this game because a couple of my work friends had been talking it up as it neared launch, having forgotten that it was the same game with all the transmysogynist bullshit from a while back. Everything I'm seeing in this thread is just one big yikes after another, and I'm pretty sure now that I'm going to pass.
I said it elsewhere before, I think in reference to Ion Fury (coincidentally, another game tainted with transmysogyny), that I have enough of a collection now that it's not hard to turn my back on something that's problematic in a way I don't care to try negotiating, because there is guaranteed to be an alternative available (quite possibly in my own backlog already) that doesn't engage in toxic nonsense. It has never in my life been easier to stick to my moral and ethical guns.
It occurs to me that I've been sitting on a couple Deus Ex games for a while now. Maybe I should finally get around to those.
I said it elsewhere before, I think in reference to Ion Fury (coincidentally, another game tainted with transmysogyny), that I have enough of a collection now that it's not hard to turn my back on something that's problematic in a way I don't care to try negotiating, because there is guaranteed to be an alternative available (quite possibly in my own backlog already) that doesn't engage in toxic nonsense. It has never in my life been easier to stick to my moral and ethical guns.
It occurs to me that I've been sitting on a couple Deus Ex games for a while now. Maybe I should finally get around to those.