I feel like Evil tonight. Let's play Dungeon Lords!

Gerad · #**151** 04-13-2012, 07:29 PM

My tunnels don't seem to have been tunneled.

Mogri · #**152** 04-16-2012, 01:48 PM

Summer 2 actions
Updated since last time: Aerdan gets 2 gold, Gerad gets 2 tunnels.

Mogri: Traps, Food, Gold
Kjara: Gold, Publicity, Room
Gerad: Gold, Imps, Monsters
Aerdan: Food, Gold, Publicity

Minions go here:
Food: Aerdan, Mogri
Publicity: Kjara, Aerdan
Tunnel:
Gold: Kjara, Gerad, Aerdan [Mogri]
Imps: Gerad
Traps: Mogri
Monster: Gerad
Room: Kjara

The long version:
Aerdan pays 1 Gold for 2 Food.
Mogri pays 1 Evil for 3 Food.
Kjara loses 1 Evil and peeks at a combat card.
Aerdan loses 2 Evil.
Kjara uses up to two Imps to mine as much Gold.
Gerad uses three Imps to mine three Gold.
Aerdan uses up to five Imps to mine one less Gold.
Mogri loses his Gold action. Here's the final nail in my coffin, ladies and gentlemen. I really didn't think Gerad would take Gold.
Gerad pays a food for an Imp.
Mogri chooses not to take a trap.
Gerad gets to pick a monster.
Kjara gets a free room.

Code:

     Food Gold Imps Evil Traps Adventurers
Mogri:  3    4    5    4     0     2
Lv8 Wizard (6, ***)
Witch (1 Food, 1 Evil): Front 4 or Any 1, Any 1
Ghost (1 Evil): Any 2 (Can't attack lead)
Dragon (2 Food, 2 Evil): All 2 and prevent healing
G++#+
##+++
##+##
##C+#
(C) Tunnel Room: 2 Imps -> 1 Tunnel
(G) Cafeteria: Goblins, Witches, Slimes, and Trolls 1 pt

Kjara:  5    4    5    4     2     3
Lv8 Priest (6, ***)
Troll (2 Food): Front 3 or 1 Food -> Front 4
Vampire (2 Evil): Any 3 or Any 2 and not knocked out
Witch (1 Food, 1 Evil): Front 4 or Any 1, Any 1
##+##
+++E#
##A##
#####
(A) Mint: 3 Imps -> 1 Gold
(E) Dark Room: Witches and Vampires +1

Gerad:  3    8    6    7     2     3
Lv8 Warrior (8)
Slime (1 Food): All 1 or Prevent conquest/fatigue
Slime (1 Food): All 1 or Prevent conquest/fatigue
Vampire (2 Evil): Any 3 or Any 2 and not knocked out
##+++
#D+##
##F##
#####
(D) Souvenir Room: 3 Imps -> 1 Gold
(F) Chapel: Ghosts and Vampires 2 pts

Aerdan: 2    5    6    3     2     3
Lv6 Wizard (5, **)
Troll (2 Food): Front 3 or 1 Food -> Front 4
Dragon (2 Food, 2 Evil): All 2 and prevent healing
+#+##
+++##
##B##
#####
(B) Magic Room: 2 Imps, 1 Food -> 1 Imp

What I need from you
All of you: Speak up if you don't want the full amount of gold.
Gerad: Pick a monster.
Kjara: Pick a room and a location for your room.

Gerad · #**153** 04-16-2012, 02:49 PM

I think you missed my imps action. For monsters, I'd like a Golem.

Yeah, I saw you all needed gold and was trying to get someone with it. Sorry about that.

I think we've only had two wasted actions (an early Rooms and this Gold). Are there usually more?

Kjara · #**154** 04-16-2012, 03:11 PM

High5 Gerad! Didn't really need to take Gold myself, but was hoping you would take it if I did

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I'll take the Hall of Fame at A2.

Edit: Gerad should be down a food for his imp though?

Edit2: You flipped your and Aerdan's adventurer's again too

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Mogri · #**155** 04-16-2012, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerad

Yeah, I saw you all needed gold and was trying to get someone with it. Sorry about that.

As the first player, I have only myself to blame.

It's easy to avoid wasting actions if you just take actions that are unavailable to other players. If you're not the last player, then you can also take comfort in the fact that your first action won't be interrupted.

It's a little more complicated for the Rooms action, where you can get shafted if you're the first one to take the action. Monsters suffer from the same problem to some extent -- you can end up with something you really don't want.

In practice, of course, you end up with situations like this where everyone wants the same action. I took Gold last so that I could take Traps this season and the next, and I ended up not being able to take a trap at all. Them's the breaks.

Mogri · #**156** 04-17-2012, 03:58 PM

Summer 2 resolution

Gerad buys a Golem for 1 Gold and 1 Trap. Kjara takes the Hall of Fame.

Kjara produces 1 Gold. Gerad produces 1 Gold. Aerdan may produce up to two Imps.

I'll keep my Gold action, making Traps unavailable instead.

Adventurers pick their dungeons:
The goody two-shoed Aerdan gets the Lv5 Priest (4, **).
The mischievous Mogri picks up a Lv5 Wizard (4, **).
The spiteful Kjara grabs a Lv6 Thief (5, **).
The kitten-kicking Gerad attracts a Lv8 Thief (6, ***).

And now it's time for taxes!

Mogri pays 4 Gold and takes one red mark.
Kjara pays 3 Gold.
Gerad pays 3 Gold.
Aerdan pays 3 Gold.

Autumn 2

The following monsters are available for purchase:
Ghost (1 Evil)
Demon (1 Evil, 1 Monster)
Demon (1 Evil, 1 Monster)

Demons deal 7 damage to any adventurer and prevent conquering and fatigue.

The following rooms are available for purchase:
Antimagic Room
Wizards can't cast their spells in an antimagic room. Or maybe they just don't want to.

Training Room
"Eye of the Tiger" is pumped continually into this room, increasing Goblin and Troll damage by 1. If your Goblin kills a dude, then the secondary attack is also 1 point stronger.

An event approaches
At the end of autumn, it's payday. Pay your monsters' costs or give them the boot!

Adventurers!
Our last group of adventurers:

Lv5 Thief (4, **)
Lv6 Priest (5, **)
Lv7 Warrior (7)
Lv7 Thief (5, ***)

Code:

     Food Gold Imps Evil Traps Adventurers
Kjara:  5    2    5    4     2     3
Lv6 Thief (5, **), Lv8 Priest (6, ***)
Troll (2 Food): Front 3 or 1 Food -> Front 4
Vampire (2 Evil): Any 3 or Any 2 and not knocked out
Witch (1 Food, 1 Evil): Front 4 or Any 1, Any 1
##+##
H++E#
##A##
#####
(A) Mint: 3 Imps -> 1 Gold
(E) Dark Room: Witches and Vampires +1
(H) Hall of Fame: Exclusive titles 2 pts

Gerad:  2    5    6    7     1     3
Lv8 Thief (6, ***), Lv8 Warrior (8)
Slime (1 Food): All 1 or Prevent conquest/fatigue
Slime (1 Food): All 1 or Prevent conquest/fatigue
Vampire (2 Evil): Any 3 or Any 2 and not knocked out
Golem (1 Gold, 1 Trap): Front 4 and not knocked out
##+++
#D+##
##F##
#####
(D) Souvenir Room: 3 Imps -> 1 Gold
(F) Chapel: Ghosts and Vampires 2 pts

Aerdan: 2    2    6    3     2     3
Lv5 Priest (4, **), Lv8 Wizard (6, ***)
Troll (2 Food): Front 3 or 1 Food -> Front 4
Dragon (2 Food, 2 Evil): All 2 and prevent healing
+#+##
+++##
##B##
#####
(B) Magic Room: 2 Imps, 1 Food -> 1 Imp

Mogri:  3    0    5    4     0     2
Lv5 Wizard (4, **), Lv6 Wizard (5, **)
Witch (1 Food, 1 Evil): Front 4 or Any 1, Any 1
Ghost (1 Evil): Any 2 (Can't attack lead)
Dragon (2 Food, 2 Evil): All 2 and prevent healing
G++#+
##+++
##+##
##C+#
(C) Tunnel Room: 2 Imps -> 1 Tunnel
(G) Cafeteria: Goblins, Witches, Slimes, and Trolls 1 pt

Unavailable Actions
Kjara: Publicity, Room
Gerad: Imps, Monsters
Aerdan: Gold, Publicity
Mogri: Traps, Food

In choosing your actions, keep the following in mind:
- Demons are awesome, but don't forget that you'll need to feed them twice.
- This is a good time to figure out which titles you might be able to grab.
- Combat is next, naturally!

Kjara · #**157** 04-17-2012, 05:42 PM

Player order there is incorrect? You should be last and I should be first?
Gerad didn't lose his trap or gold from his golem purchase.
I used 2 imps on gold/Gerad used 3 so we can only produce 1 gold in production buildings?
Finally, Gerad's Golem doesn't show up under his monsters

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Glad I'm not trying to make these posts, so much to keep track of.

Question: Is table talk allowed?

Mogri · #**158** 04-17-2012, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

Glad I'm not trying to make these posts, so much to keep track of.

You know, every single time I think to myself, "I'm sure I've gotten it right this time."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

Question: Is table talk allowed?

I don't see why not.

Kjara · #**159** 04-17-2012, 06:35 PM

The situation as I see it, Unless Mogri and Aerdan go room with their last action, then Gerad will get a room and his combat will go like this:

Slime + Golem in room
Slime + Golem in room Warrior dies
Golem in tunnel (loss of tunnel if he lacks a trap that doesn't prevent conquering otherwise no loss) Thief at either 1(if trap used) or dead due to fatigue
Golem + Vampire in room, fatigue likely kills off the last guy if he used a trap in the previous round, otherwise monsters kill last guy

Thus he loses at most 1 tunnel (and possibly 0), this gives him somewhere between 4 and 6 titles:
Monsterlord (as he has 4 monsters and no one else can get 4 monsters--Ghosts don't count and Demons are effectively -1 monsters)
Battlemaster (possibly shared) as he loses at most 1 room so if Aerdan loses at least 1 room...
Lord of Dark Deeds (possibly shared, since he will be at 9 evil after payday and might drop to 8 with the tunnel loss)
Tied for rooms (3 rooms)
Tied for "Lord of the Imps" unless Aerdan can get an extra imp (he needs at least 3 food this round to afford this and his payday, I'm willing to play in such a way to insure this happens)
Lord of Riches: He has a lot of gold, however, this one is less clear who will actually win, I can possibly challenge this one if I grab a demon to avoid having to pay food costs.

However, if you guys stop him from getting a room, he will need to lose at least 2 tunnels before he can fight in a room and use his Golem + Slime combo, thus giving the rest of us a chance (plus won't tie for the Room title, and this might cause him to lose Dark Deeds or Battlemaster).

Of course, you both may have already seen this. Feel free to rebut if I got anything wrong Gerad.

I did want to ask Mogri though: how does it feel to be a kingmaker?

Mogri · #**160** 04-17-2012, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

I did want to ask Mogri though: how does it feel to be a kingmaker?

One of my favorite experiences in all of board gamedom is a four-player game of Medici that I lost horribly. On the last day of the game, it was obvious that there was nothing I could do -- I was hovering under 40 ducati (or whatever the currency is) to everyone else's 90 or so. For reference, you start the game at 40: I was doing really badly.

One of the last lots to come up was one that was obviously desirable for another player. If she got it, she had the game in a handbag. I looked at it, realized that I could make a difference, and bid my entire bank on it.

She outbid me and went on to lose the game narrowly as a result. She was furious for the rest of the night.

Incidentally, I had planned on picking up a room this time around...

Kjara · #**161** 04-17-2012, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

One of my favorite experiences in all of board gamedom is a four-player game of Medici that I lost horribly. On the last day of the game, it was obvious that there was nothing I could do -- I was hovering under 40 ducati (or whatever the currency is) to everyone else's 90 or so. For reference, you start the game at 40: I was doing really badly.

One of the last lots to come up was one that was obviously desirable for another player. If she got it, she had the game in a handbag. I looked at it, realized that I could make a difference, and bid my entire bank on it.

She outbid me and went on to lose the game narrowly as a result. She was furious for the rest of the night.

Incidentally, I had planned on picking up a room this time around...

Heh, I have a rl friend who plays exactly the same way. As a result I refuse to play Risk with him anymore (as he tends to play kingmaker there when he gets bored even when he has a shot of winning).

Gerad · #**162** 04-17-2012, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

Listen all of y'all, it's a sabotage

I don't think I can quibble with any of this. Of course, if Aerdan and Mogri take Rooms last, Kjara locks up exclusive Lord of Halls, +2 for Hall of Fame, and doesn't have to do anything with his own actions. He also sets up well for Battlelord and can challenge for Lord of Riches (and potential +2s from Hall of Fame) with his Dark Room, witch, and vampire.

Funny how it seems to work that way.

Kjara · #**163** 04-17-2012, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerad

I don't think I can quibble with any of this. Of course, if Aerdan and Mogri take Rooms last, Kjara locks exclusive Lord of Halls, +2 for Hall of Fame, and doesn't have to do anything with his own actions. He also sets up well for Battlelord (and another potential +2 from Hall of Fame) with his Dark Room, witch, and vampire.

Funny how it seems to work that way.

Actually, Mogri also would have 3 rooms, so its only 2 points for shared Lord of Halls (which I get either way). I might be able to get Battlelord or Lord of Riches though.

Mogri · #**164** 04-17-2012, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

(or whatever the currency is)

Florins! The currency is florins.

You have no idea how much this was bugging me.

Mogri · #**165** 04-18-2012, 01:20 PM

Autumn 2 actions

Kjara: Food, Traps, Monster
Gerad: Traps, Gold, Room
Aerdan: Food, Monster, Room
Mogri: Gold, Monster, Room

Minions go here:
Food: Kjara, Aerdan
Publicity:
Tunnel:
Gold: Mogri, Gerad
Imps:
Traps: Gerad, Kjara
Monster: Aerdan, Mogri, Kjara
Room: Gerad, Aerdan, Mogri

The long version:
Kjara pays 1 Gold for 2 Food.
Aerdan pays 1 Evil for 3 Food.
Mogri mines 2 Gold.
Gerad mines 3 Gold.
Gerad pays 1 Gold for a trap.
Kjara gets a free trap.
Kjara pays 1 Food to pick a monster.
Mogri gets to pick a leftover monster.
Aerdan gets last pick of monster.
Mogri pays 1 Gold for the Antimagic room, placing it at E2.
Aerdan may pay 1 Gold for the Training Room.
Gerad gets the Training Room for free if Aerdan doesn't take it.

Code:

     Food Gold Imps Evil Traps Adventurers
Kjara:  7    1    5    4     3     3
Lv6 Thief (5, **), Lv8 Priest (6, ***)
Troll (2 Food): Front 3 or 1 Food -> Front 4
Vampire (2 Evil): Any 3 or Any 2 and not knocked out
Witch (1 Food, 1 Evil): Front 4 or Any 1, Any 1
##+##
H++E#
##A##
#####
(A) Mint: 3 Imps -> 1 Gold
(E) Dark Room: Witches and Vampires +1
(H) Hall of Fame: Exclusive titles 2 pts

Gerad:  2    7    6    7     2     3
Lv8 Thief (6, ***), Lv8 Warrior (8)
Slime (1 Food): All 1 or Prevent conquest/fatigue
Slime (1 Food): All 1 or Prevent conquest/fatigue
Vampire (2 Evil): Any 3 or Any 2 and not knocked out
Golem (1 Gold, 1 Trap): Front 4 and not knocked out
##+++
#D+##
##F##
#####
(D) Souvenir Room: 3 Imps -> 1 Gold
(F) Chapel: Ghosts and Vampires 2 pts

Aerdan: 5    2    6    4     2     3
Lv5 Priest (4, **), Lv8 Wizard (6, ***)
Troll (2 Food): Front 3 or 1 Food -> Front 4
Dragon (2 Food, 2 Evil): All 2 and prevent healing
+#+##
+++##
##B##
#####
(B) Magic Room: 2 Imps, 1 Food -> 1 Imp

Mogri:  3    1    5    3     0     2
Lv5 Wizard (4, **), Lv6 Wizard (5, **)
Witch (1 Food, 1 Evil): Front 4 or Any 1, Any 1
Ghost (1 Evil): Any 2 (Can't attack lead)
Dragon (2 Food, 2 Evil): All 2 and prevent healing
G++#+
##++I
##+##
##C+#
(C) Tunnel Room: 2 Imps -> 1 Tunnel
(G) Cafeteria: Goblins, Witches, Slimes, and Trolls 1 pt
(I) Antimagic Room: No spells

What I need from you
Kjara: Monster?
Aerdan: Room? Magic Room?
All of you: Get rrrready to RRRRRUMBLE

Gerad · #**166** 04-18-2012, 02:52 PM

Eh, I figured that would happen. I think Kjara's got the best chance of us all now. He's actually in a lot better shape for Lord of Riches than I thought he would be.

Aerdan: You don't really want a room, do you? They're all big and scary, not cozy like those nice tunnels you have now...

In hindsight, I should have been more aggressive with rooms earlier -- I had plenty of funds and actions, but was too afraid of getting edged out when I couldn't assure myself of one. Lesson learned, I guess.

Kjara · #**167** 04-18-2012, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerad

Eh, I figured that would happen. I think Kjara's got the best chance of us all now. He's actually in a lot better shape for Lord of Riches than I thought he would be.

Aerdan: You don't really want a room, do you? They're all big and scary, not cozy like those nice tunnels you have now...

In hindsight, I should have been more aggressive with rooms earlier -- I had plenty of funds and actions, but was too afraid of getting edged out when I couldn't assure myself of one. Lesson learned, I guess.

The free trap does help quite a bit resource wise I'll admit.

I don't think you can write yourself off just yet though. You still have 7 points from monsters and Monsterlord and will lose at most 2 tunnels. I feel like this is going to be close. I'd like to hope I have a chance though.

I've been wrong before though, I figured both of you would lose at least 2 tunnels in the first round of combat.

I can see my Trap choice before picking a Monster right?

Edit: Oh, and my Monster action should be free (well just the cost of the monster)? Thought it was only the 3rd one that cost a food. Nm, got confused since you didn't list all 3 people in monster. I should pay a food.

Gerad · #**168** 04-18-2012, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

I've been wrong before though, I figured both of you would lose at least 2 tunnels in the first round of combat.

I was closer to losing zero than two, I think. If I could've just gotten a Cursed Ring or Trapdoor, I think I would have had a good chance at pulling it off. Depends on the exact trap selection.

Mogri · #**169** 04-18-2012, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

Edit: Oh, and my Monster action should be free (well just the cost of the monster)? Thought it was only the 3rd one that cost a food. Nm, got confused since you didn't list all 3 people in monster. I should pay a food.

Yeah, sorry about that. I've updated it.

Aerdan · #**170** 04-18-2012, 05:52 PM

Gettin' that thar room and puttin' it at C2. No Magic Room invocation this time 'round, though.

Kjara · #**171** 04-18-2012, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerdan

Gettin' that thar room and puttin' it at C2. No Magic Room invocation this time 'round, though.

I think 2 rooms can't be adjacent?

Mogri · #**172** 04-18-2012, 07:07 PM

Right. D1 or E1.

Kjara · #**173** 04-18-2012, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

Right. D1 or E1.

I think you are confusing Gerad and Aerdan. Valid options should be A1, A2 and B2 I believe.

Edit: And I'll take the Ghost.

Mogri · #**174** 04-18-2012, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

And I'll take the Ghost.

Nooooooooh well.

I'll pass on a monster.

Kjara · #**175** 04-18-2012, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

Nooooooooh well.

I'll pass on a monster.

I did notice that if I let you have the ghost, you were ending the game with 9 Evil

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Mogri · #**176** 04-18-2012, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

I did notice that if I let you have the ghost, you were ending the game with 9 Evil

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10 Evil after payday. I had a brilliant paladin strategy (note: may or may not have been brilliant).

Kjara · #**177** 04-18-2012, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

10 Evil after payday. I had a brilliant paladin strategy (note: may or may not have been brilliant).

Ah 10, got confused since you switched your and Aerdan's Evil numbers between the last two tables?

Edit: Laf, I also see you have yourself listed as doing publicity.

Mogri · #**178** 04-18-2012, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjara

Ah 10, got confused since you switched your and Aerdan's Evil numbers between the last two tables?

Edit: Laf, I also see you have yourself listed as doing publicity.

I might have been confused, I guess? I certainly am now

Aerdan · #**179** 04-18-2012, 11:39 PM

Oh, uh. Stick it at B2, then. Grml.

Kjara · #**180** 04-19-2012, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogri

I might have been confused, I guess? I certainly am now

I think the 2nd to last table was correct, you should have 4 evil and Aerdan should have 3. I may have missed something though. (This would have you being correct about hitting 10 had you gotten the ghost)