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The Matrix Thread: Stop Trying to Post and Post

Becksworth

Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
I still enjoy 2. Even if it gets up its own ass, the action scenes make up for it. I can’t say the same about 3, however…
 
Why is there another one, exactly?

According to Lana at a talk yesterday (the video is set not to embed), apparently WB had been trying to get them to make another sequel for years and offering a lot of money to do so, but they had no interest because they felt the story they told was complete and had no more to say. But, after their parents and some other close friends died, Lana had an idea for another Matrix story she wanted to tell as she was processing her grief. Lily "wanted to process her grief differently" and "was on a different path," Lana says.
 

Bongo

excused from moderation duty
(he/him)
Staff member
I still enjoy 2. Even if it gets up its own ass, the action scenes make up for it. I can’t say the same about 3, however…
I'll go even further and say that being up its own ass is at least 60% of what's good about The Matrix Reloaded, and The Matrix Revolutions would've been better if it had gone farther up its own ass.

I have a good feeling about The Matrix Resurrections, so I'm going to make a prediction right now: all The Matrix movies that are powers of 2 are good.
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
I just researched the first movie.

It remains a very good movie about taking drugs in order to talk to computers.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
In retrospect it's funny how people talked about Reloaded and Revolutions. They complained that the sequels were up their own ass too much with philosophy. I think the two movies are interesting on a story level and what they have to say about reality. I just find the action really boring and pointless.
 

Sarcasmorator

Same as I ever was
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I have never had any problem with the level of up-their-own-ass the movies are, that's sorta the point. I find the action in Reloaded quite fun. It's Revolutions I find boring (it discards the rhythm of "exposition, chase, exposition, fight, exposition, fight, exposition, chase, etc." that the first two movies established. A lot of the characters are stuck in transit or in place while things happen elsewhere. Not enough fights to punctuate things, no chases to speak of, the Zion siege action isn't a substitute, and the final fight is...a bit silly.

I like aspects of it, but as a movie it doesn't hold together nearly so well as the first two. IDK, we're rewatching it this week, we'll see if my opinion changes since I last watched it a few years ago. But probably not.
 

Phantoon

I cuss you bad
Morpheus got done super dirty too. In Reloaded everyone thinks he's nuts, and his major contribution to Revolutions is sitting in a passenger seat. Then he got bumped off in an MMO.
 

Sarcasmorator

Same as I ever was
(He/him)
I liked the development in Reloaded that he's very popular but his beliefs aren't universal (though Lock is a total one-note loser of a character and nothing at all as a foil). But yeah, he's almost entirely inconsequential in Revolutions, and it's not really fair.

I don't acknowledge the MMO.
 

Phantoon

I cuss you bad
Of the characters in the original film my favourite was Morpheus by an absolute mile, so it genuinely hurt to see him sidelined so horribly. If you're doing a subplot where a much loved character's reputation is being dragged through the mud you're generally meant to vindicate them by the end, but instead they just made him completely irrelevant.
 

Sarcasmorator

Same as I ever was
(He/him)
I mean, he was vindicated in that Neo was the one and did save everybody, but they didn't give him shit to do.
 

R.R. Bigman

Coolest Guy
Hearing that Laurence Fishburne gets done dirty in the sequels makes me a lot less interested to ever watch these movies.
 
I wouldn't say he does in the second one, and he has some extremely good action sequences.

Yeah. Structurally, he is a John the Baptist character in a movie that is focused on Jesus. He is absolutely vindicated, but he has less to do as the story shifts to primarily telling the main character's story. The herald's role is mostly over by the third movie. He's already done his job.
 

Sarcasmorator

Same as I ever was
(He/him)
They could have given him something to do in the defense of the city, though. Had him go along on the trip to 01 to bear witness. Something like that. Instead he just kinda hunkers down for the majority of the film.
 
Reloaded also has some great messaging around Morpheus and the reasons Lock treats him the way he does so I wouldn't say he's sidelined at all in that one. In Revolution that same messaging comes out even stronger to really get the point across, and the reason Morpheus gets very intentionally and purposefully sidelined is very appropriate for the thematic through-line of the trilogy. I feel like his treatment is very much meant to be frustrating and unsatisfying, and if you pin Lock for what he represents, even moreso.
 

Bongo

excused from moderation duty
(he/him)
Staff member
At least Morpheus doesn't get done as dirty as the original John the Baptist.
 
At least Morpheus doesn't get done as dirty as the original John the Baptist.

On the other hand, if the complaint in question is the amount of narrative attention, you could do a lot worse than having your death depicted in countless adaptations of Salome across basically every artistic medium.
 
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