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Rumour that PS3/PSP/Vita store is to permanently close
- Thread starter madhair60
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I think you can also dual boot. Uh, maybe getting an external SSD drive and boot from there is not a bad idea either
I'm being reluctant to migrate my Mac past High Sierra but cloning it into an external SSD sounds really tempting.
Violentvixen
(She/Her)
Yeah, I wish I'd never done the 32->64 bit upgrade. It broke my Steam games and several other applications I use, added weird little things I don't care about or actively find annoying and seems to have just given my computer permission to harass me for updates and verifications of things constantly. I'm sure it helped something else I don't notice run better and helped security or whatever but eh.
Mr. Sensible
Pitch and Putt Duffer
These last few posts just reminded me that I had to upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 last year for college-related reasons, which probably also removed my capability to do Windows XP mode and run old 32-bit Win9x games like Earthworm Jim Special Edition...
Well, that lasted about as long as expected.
Sony has since disabled the OAuth Client ID used by the plugin and further restricted the API's used by the old store, rendering it once again inaccessible.
I was at least able to purchase a few PS1 Classics and some PS3 DLC I had on my wishlist, namely the last ones I needed for Drakengard 3.
I also spent an evening going through all of the PSP content available on the web store and making a list of remaining potential purchases. Nearly all them are playable on Vita, so I doubt they'll disappear when PSP purchasing functionality is shut down.
There is however a handful of games that are still marked as only being available for the PSP, including some Sony first party games oddly enough. It's less clear what will happen to those when the switch is flipped for the PSP at the beginning of July.
At least with the list I can search for the titles directly on various device stores... where hopefully they show up as expected.
I wonder if disabling the old store more thoroughly was the reason there was a PSN outage yesterday evening. I can't find exact time frames but reports of the the plugin no longer working started after PSN came back up.
In a weird bit of coincidence, it's been almost exactly 10 years since the PSN data breath in 2011 that resulted in the network being taken offline for almost a month. I know brief outages have certainly occurred since then (especially around the holidays when everyone is setting up new systems), but it seems like this outage was indeed perhaps tied to further disabling the old webstore.
I honestly don't know what's going through the heads of Product Management over at Sony, that they would break most of the functionality of the original Web PSN Store only to replace it with a flashy, non-functional version that everyone hates, and now they're cracking down on any attempt to make it usable with even greater zeal than they use for actual software piracy. People are trying to buy stuff! And keep track of wishlists that help them buy stuff! You'd think a marketing dept would want to facilitate the separation of customers from their money, but I haven't even bought anything of the PSN store since July and I didn't even glance at their Spring Sale because of the user-unfriendliness of the new version.
I'm only speculating. But I would assume Sony wants consumers to move onto PS5 (if they can find one) and PS4. While I'm sure PS3 and Vita generate some money for Sony, I doubt its significant.
I imagine that Sony is allowing PS3 and Vita sales to continue, not because it wants to, but because of social media pressure. I would imagine running the web store has some expense that they simply no longer want foot the bill for.
I don't think closing the web store when the console versions of the stores are open will generate significant bad press.
I imagine that Sony is allowing PS3 and Vita sales to continue, not because it wants to, but because of social media pressure. I would imagine running the web store has some expense that they simply no longer want foot the bill for.
I don't think closing the web store when the console versions of the stores are open will generate significant bad press.
I don't think moving to PS5 is necessarily driving closing down the old version of the store. After all, there is still a web store, and it sells (presumably!) PS5 and PS4 games, it's just too flashy to be usable. And the old version served the PS4 plenty for years, and used to serve PS5 as well, it wasn't exclusive to the PS3 and Vita. So if there's no functional requirement to change the store, and the store itself is console-agnostic, I can only imagine it's some marketing initiative to change the UX for branding purposes.
The new webstore is just so *atrocious*, I honestly can't fathom who approved it going live in the state that it's in, let alone disabling the old store before the new one had at least some feature parity.
Here's a brief list of things you can't do on the new store that were available on the old store:
-Watch preview videos or view screenshots for a game
-View all the DLC available for a game from the game's main listing
-Sort search results or just even content by any criteria... say alphabetically or by release date or price
-Manage a list of favorites
-Manage your download queue across devices
-Initiate downloads across all your platforms (new store is limited to PS4/PS5)
I guess the new web store does the one crucial thing it must... in that it allows you to buy games... for PS4 and PS5 only.
I mean... *Nintendo's* web store is far superior the the new PSN one, and if you are behind Nintendo in online features I think you need to maybe put a bit more effort in.
I mean, look at the store page for the "Golden Week" sale that just started. There's no branding about the sale, no indication of how long the sale lasts (though at least when you view an individual item it lists how long it's on sale), no way to sort the items in the list, no indication of how many items are on sale, no way to filter by platform. It's like the minimal amount of effort you could get by with.
There is a new UX web store which does not have PS3 and Vita games and the old UX web store with PS3 and Vita games is no longer accessible. Isn't Sony not supporting web sales of PS3 and Vita games (additionally PS3 and Vita are not on the hardware section of playstation.com) a signal that Sony wants its consumers to move on?
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
There is also possibly under the hood stuff we aren’t privy to that may drive them wanting to sunset the old store (older software being used that may no longer be getting security updates, current dev team isn’t familiar with the old store code base anymore, etc.)
Again, the old web store was console-agnostic. Unless for some reason support for PS3 and Vita was hardcoded into the product (which would be pretty stupefying in and of itself), they could have just removed support of the older platforms, while keeping a store that already provided all the above functionality for PS4 and 5.
This, OTOH, sounds more likely. If the original store was becoming legacy and harder and harder to keep up to date, it may have been more cost-effective to build a brand new one rather than keep patching the original. Though why they wouldn't reproduce basic web shop functionality is beyond me.
Apparently Sony is discontinuing production of all PS4 models except the 500 GB Slim. This on top of it being really difficult to find PS5s. This is not how you expand your install base, Sony.
Jesus, resale prices for PS4 are more than for the PS5.
Jesus, resale prices for PS4 are more than for the PS5.
I get that Sony would like consumers to move on, but it seems maybe a bit hasty considering PS5 supply is still very constrained, so the bulk of users and purchases are likely still for PS4, and the experience of shopping for and buying PS4 content is definitely inferior on the new store.
Yeah, as a developer this is a reason I can understand, and from first hand experience I can say migrating legacy software to run on newer platforms can be very time consuming and expensive.
It would have been nice if they gave a bit more warning about the old web shop going offline. There was rumbling of course and you had start using a region specific URL last year when the new shop went up, but there was no official announcement of it being removed before it happened.
Microsoft still has both it's new and old web stores accessible, and you can even buy content going back to the original XBOX, though it helps of course that said content is still compatible with the latest platform.
It always seemed like a missed opportunity that Sony didn't make the effort to support PS1/PS2 games on PS4 and maybe even PS3 games on the PS5, at least digitally. I guess they don't see their legacy catalogue as a potential source of income when they make so much money when one of their big budget blockbusters is a hit.
This is pretty normal. When the PS2 came out, all you could get soon after was the PSOne. When the PS3 came out, all that became available for a while was the PS2 slim, etc. There is zero reason to buy a PS4 Pro as a consumer when it's a halfway step of a console to the PS5 and msrp's for just as much. As for the lack of availability, that's also completely out of Sony's hands. PS5 is one of the fastest selling consoles in history, I'm sure they'd like make more if they could but literally everyone is being crushed by the pandemic microchip shortage atm. Car manufacturers are having to shut down production despite demand and prices for automobiles going through the roof.
I assume it's also heavily influenced by another side effect of the pandemic. Lotta people out of work and/or sidelined and itching for media to consume at home. The PS5 is selling more consoles faster than any other console in history and it still can't keep up with demand.
Ludendorkk
(he/him)
The fact that I can't access my wishlist on my actual PS4 is just... fucking baffling at this point. Even the 3DS lets me do this!
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
Well, I finally hacked my Vita. That... wasn't as simple as I've been led to believe. Vitashell wouldn't install after the firmware downgrade so I had to get it on through other means. Unfortunately that also didn't work as it couldn't find my account.
Worked it out eventually, but that was annoying.
Worked it out eventually, but that was annoying.
Hacking my Vita was really simple - I wonder if there was an outage somewhere while you were hacking it?
I do have a second Vita lying around that I use to buy and download from the PS Store (as oposed to the hacked one which is my portable retro emulator) - i am thinking of hacking it too, since I already got everything I wanted from the PSN store downloaded and backed up. Having my entire library in a single card and not having to swap fridges would be lovely.
I wonder if this is related to why some consoles were bricked.
I do have a second Vita lying around that I use to buy and download from the PS Store (as oposed to the hacked one which is my portable retro emulator) - i am thinking of hacking it too, since I already got everything I wanted from the PSN store downloaded and backed up. Having my entire library in a single card and not having to swap fridges would be lovely.
Really? Was this in firmware 9.00?
I wonder if this is related to why some consoles were bricked.
So I was wondering how they would keep the PS3 and Vita stores going wihout firmware updates (banking systems keep changing, you know) and now I know - I just got a mail from Sony telling me that from October 27th the only way I can pay for new purchases from those stores is by using funds from my PSN wallet (which I should top-up using the PSN website).
I got it, too. Here it is, for anyone curious:
