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Final Fantasy XVI
- Thread starter Mogri
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Please look forward to it!
Say goodbye to the "player-created character" theories and say hello to... Clive.
Also, unless they're all represented by single cities like in the 16-bit games, holy crap that's a lot of nations. Hope it doesn't Game Of Thronitize the typical Crystals narrative too much.
Also, unless they're all represented by single cities like in the 16-bit games, holy crap that's a lot of nations. Hope it doesn't Game Of Thronitize the typical Crystals narrative too much.
hologramblue
taxonomically dubious.
six ain't too bad considering the number of summons available to rep.
I SEE DRAGONS
I SEE DRAGONS
Looking at the countries' flags, Waloed (giggle) seems to be Odin-aligned, and Dhalmekia's woodblock-style motifs may make it the source of this game's samurai et al.
If Rosaria (no relation) has Phoenix but no direct access to the Crystal, seems pretty obvious that Ifrit comes from the Iron Kingdom.
That big ol' whirlpool in the middle of the map reminds me of that RPG parody map with its "obligatory endless maelstrom".
If Rosaria (no relation) has Phoenix but no direct access to the Crystal, seems pretty obvious that Ifrit comes from the Iron Kingdom.
That big ol' whirlpool in the middle of the map reminds me of that RPG parody map with its "obligatory endless maelstrom".
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Something about the character art and names is giving me positive nostalgia for the earlier entries in the series. This may be misplaced, but I think I'm looking forward to this maybe a little more, now...?
hologramblue
taxonomically dubious.
someone on twitter made a crack abt the art for the Dominion being the crystarium but venice and now i see the canals and between that and the whirlpool it's probably water-aligned. take that + the flag having the color-coded designations for the representative countries + we know garuda's in this bc of the character using her claws in an attack from the thing, and i feel okay assuming we're back to a nice standard elemental assignment thing, EXCEPT THAT obviously shiva exists and there's no obvious assignment if north is wind/garuda (and if north is shiva (dragon lol) then where does garuda go) and odin is kind of dark-aligned so that's a weird pick when you'd expect like, lightning or something?
so basically there'll prob be more elemental eikons than previously assumed/understood to correspond to the mothercrystals, which makes sense bc ifrit.
i'm crossing my fingers so damn hard for jill to be treated decently by the timeskip
so basically there'll prob be more elemental eikons than previously assumed/understood to correspond to the mothercrystals, which makes sense bc ifrit.
i'm crossing my fingers so damn hard for jill to be treated decently by the timeskip
Erilex
hourglass figure
It's extremely suspicious that she is the only character that doesn't have "and then their life was upended by the BIG TRAGEDY" in her bio, which I'm 99% sure means she won't survive whatever that is. Also, every character trait there screams "I'M GOING TO DIE SO THE MEN IN MY LIFE CAN ANGST ABOUT IT".
Utterly wild guess: both brothers are in love with her, Ifrit bullshit happens, both of them blame the other for her death. Big drama ensues.
Shiva is fighting Titan, so she's either the Empire's or the Dominion's Eikon. But there's also at least two other smaller crystal-like protrusions on the map, and although people were aghast that there was a second Eikon of fire, it certainly opens up the playing field for more than one rep per Mothercrystal.
What Erilex said. She's gonna be Tietra'd so hard someone's going to end up wearing buttpants to fight the other. Hopefully Shiva's Dominant will be a fully fledged-out character and that her and Clive's inevitable meet-cute during the big battle scene at the beginning of the trailer means she sticks around for the majority of the game.
What Erilex said. She's gonna be Tietra'd so hard someone's going to end up wearing buttpants to fight the other. Hopefully Shiva's Dominant will be a fully fledged-out character and that her and Clive's inevitable meet-cute during the big battle scene at the beginning of the trailer means she sticks around for the majority of the game.
hologramblue
taxonomically dubious.
yeah i'll put money on SOMETHING happening to her but i'm just pulling for her to secretly survive and come back cooler, in like, a decently-executed way, because that kind of thing happens enough that it's worth investing hope in but there's also a lot of ways to make it stupid
They already did that in XV (not that I'd mind).
Technically only once. The second one is in progress and is more the fault of the overarching villains than the PCs.
hologramblue
taxonomically dubious.
all the ivalice fanatics in my life seem to be having a really nice day today
Well yeah, but that was mostly a one-sided struggle of Lord Vayne's Manufacted Emporium vs the Floating Chess Piece Gods, with Ashe's Fashion Disasters being manipulated by both sides. The other countries were off to the side, laughing just out of frame, and were much more of an excuse to make Vayne a villain than a significant part of the political plot.
Sure. But what makes FFXVI “Game of Thrones” then? This is absolutely a pet peeve I’m having with peoples’ constant comparisons.
It really feels that if, say, Matsuno was in charge of the story everyone on TT would be celebrating about it, and not having all these constant “looks like Game of Thrones/Witcher” comments.
Because FFT, FFXII, and Vagrant Story all had art direction quite similar to FFXVI.
But because it’s being made by part of the FFXIV team and headed by Yoship it’s now “Game of Thrones”.
It’s a very stupid pet peeve I’m having but it’s really irritating me. If this is remotely like the Dragonsong War from FFXIV it’s going to be the best traditional FF for a long time.
They also did it in FFXIV
conchobhar
What's Shenmue?
Hmm, not too enthused about the characters thus far (especially as Jill looks guaranteed to be fridged), but I'm definitely intrigued by the world and its six nations— they all look distinct from each other, from how they treat Crystals and Dominants, to government, to culture. That Ironblood speaks its own language is an interesting detail, and I hope that takes the form of a language barrier in-story.
Also, cool banners.
Also, cool banners.
AFAIK this is in fact the opposite of Game of Thrones, since the whole struggle there seems to be in the pursuit of upholding empire and theocracy, just with slight adjustments.
fanboymaster
(He/Him)
As a point of order, destroying churches or kingdoms is not actually a common plot for FF which often concerns itself with warring kingdoms one of which is bad and the others are good. Overthrowing the empire is basically just 2 and I guess 12 kinda (I didn't finish 12 because the plot kinda bored me but I'm pretty sure there's an Emperor Larsa at the end) in almost every game save the ones that don't have any kingdoms you end up allying with the good one(s) against the bad one(s) and the concept that monarchies should just not exist is never brooched. Overthrowing a church is basically just X and Tactics (again kinda). Aspects of "the unjust gods" being in a number of the more recent games but the degree to which theocracy is actually common is pretty limited. Most of the time there's little rumination on how gods in FF actually interact with faith or religious sentiment in general. Hell most FF games don't even seem to have a meaningful system of worship in place and half the time the thing most analogous to gods are crystals which are typically protected. It's a nitpick but to be fair FF was partly able to distance itself from its competition by zigging into weirder plots and world spaces than its competitors in the PS1 era, many of its competitors zagging into corrupt churches.
Slightly more relevant, people are making the GoT comparison because of a tone and aesthetic assumed in the trailer, which associates it more with darker fantasy works. Clive in the key art they're leading with is maybe the first protagonist to be defined by anger as their core emotion in promotional material. The translation here is "people have misgivings about FF taking on the trappings of dark fantasy" which this might not even do, but it's definitely where at least some misgivings are coming from. I've also heard comparisons to Dragon Age if that comparison rankles less, it's a promotional tone thing given how little we know about the actual plot.
Slightly more relevant, people are making the GoT comparison because of a tone and aesthetic assumed in the trailer, which associates it more with darker fantasy works. Clive in the key art they're leading with is maybe the first protagonist to be defined by anger as their core emotion in promotional material. The translation here is "people have misgivings about FF taking on the trappings of dark fantasy" which this might not even do, but it's definitely where at least some misgivings are coming from. I've also heard comparisons to Dragon Age if that comparison rankles less, it's a promotional tone thing given how little we know about the actual plot.
Sorry about that, I have similar pet peeves regarding inapplicable comparisons and I fell right into one despite not even liking GoT myself.
More to the point, and a better description of my concern, is, ironically, the fleshing out of the six nations so distinctly and to such detail. Any other narrative, I'd love that, I'm a sucker for clever worldbuilding that gives each faction believable motivations that would trickle down to the extended cast. In the context of FF, though, having winced through Type-0's narrative once before, and seeing some snippets of political machinations in the trailer, I worry about getting too embroiled in the plotting and scheming of the respective government higher-ups while the character development of the lower-downs (the protagonists themselves) suffers. That was one complaint many people had about FFXII's cast (not mine, but common enough) and that one had a pretty straightforward conspiracy focused mostly on one country's government.
??? This just seems wrong? Of all the FF's I have intimate knowledge about:
FF6 - Overthrowing the evil empire as a band of loosely affiliated, non-state actors.
FF7 - Overthrowing the evil (corporate) empire as a band of loosely affiliated, non-state, eco-terrorists.
FF8 - Overthrowing the evil empire as a band of closely affiliated, non-state actors.
FF9 - Overthrowing the evil kingdom as a band of loosely affiliated, non-state actors.
FF10 - Overthrowing the evil church as a band of loosely affiliated, non-state actors.
FF13 - Overthrowing the corrupt theocratic future techno-state as a band of loosely affiliated, non-state actors.
In FF12 and FF15 you do represent states, but those states are already conquered and you're leading a liberating revolution.
In a lot of these games, you might receive aide from friendly states, like Esthar in FF8, or Lindblum in FF9, but you're never representing them and their support is almost never the crux of your ability to succeed. And in cases like FF8, that competing state isn't "just another kingdom" but a liberal democracy.
Revolutionary politics is hard baked into FF's DNA as far as I'm concerned.