A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy: The Star Wars Thread

[Jeanie]

And I highly suspect the reason why he just stands there and lets him go is because he's so disappointed in the moment and in Obi-Wan.

And because he's enjoying Obi-wan's fear at the moment. Vader this whole episode has been good, he's been a Horror Movie villain, slowly stalking after his prey. That's damn good Vader.

The scene on the truck where Leia realizes that Ben knows her real mother and asks him if he's her dad breaks my heart every time I see it.

 

[Octopus Prime]

I always like reminders that Vader is the scariest god damn thing in the galaxy, his impacts kind of diluted over the years, and then you get stuff like this episode or the finale of Rogue One and you say “Oh right… he’s a monster”.

 

[Phantoon]

I always like reminders that Vader is the scariest god damn thing in the galaxy, his impacts kind of diluted over the years, and then you get stuff like this episode or the finale of Rogue One and you say “Oh right… he’s a monster”.

Which is a really good reason to not use him much. You can have too much of a bad thing.

 

[Egarwaen]

I'm still not overly up for multiple Vader duels with Obi-wan; the Clone Wars managed to never have Grievous and Anakin meet because of two lines of dialogue and I'm not sure they're being half as careful here.

I don't think we're likely to get another; I'm pretty sure this one was the product of... Well, first, clearly the writers wanted to use Vader. But secondly, I think they realized that Obi-wan needed some basis for "he's more machine now than man; twisted and evil". I hope they tick the pipe laid checkbox and move on with the story.

I always like reminders that Vader is the scariest god damn thing in the galaxy, his impacts kind of diluted over the years, and then you get stuff like this episode or the finale of Rogue One and you say “Oh right… he’s a monster”.

Which is a really good reason to not use him much. You can have too much of a bad thing.

Rebels also does a fantastic job of this.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

Like the show was written such that she is able to run away from adults and avoid capture for at least a few moments, and this little girl with her little legs cannot believably do that on camera

I mostly find this video funny and am not as bothered by it as the video is, but it is definitely more than a little awkward.

 

[Phantoon]

How dare you, it turns out that small branch is actually the true hero of Star Wars

It's called Twiggus Piett. Also it's the first Force Sensitive vegetation and once defeated Darth Jar Jar

I should've written for the EU, I missed my vocation

 

[Adrenaline]

Some more weird stuff in this one. I thought the secret passage would lead one way directly to the port, but Indira Varma left without bumping into Reva, and Reva somehow got in front of Leia? And then fire prevented Vader from capturing Obi-Wan, even though he had just used the force to extinguish basically the exact same fire?

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

I’m not particularly bothered by both/there are reasonable explanations for both with a little bit of imagination. Vader let Obi-Wan go because he was disappointed in him and the tunnels I just assume she realized what was going on, left the tunnels, traveled to their exit first, read the pilot’s mind (recall he was already dead when the two walked by him) to find the other cave entrance, and caught Leia because her stubbly little legs means she can only run at turtle speeds. I’ll definitely grant though that the editing and visual conveyance of these ideas should have been much more clear.

 

[Phantoon]

I’m not particularly bothered by both/there are reasonable explanations for both with a little bit of imagination. Vader let Obi-Wan go because he was disappointed in him and the tunnels I just assume she realized what was going on, left the tunnels, traveled to their exit first, read the pilot’s mind (recall he was already dead when the two walked by him) to find the other cave entrance, and caught Leia because her stubbly little legs means she can only run at turtle speeds. I’ll definitely grant though that the editing and visual conveyance of these ideas should have been much more clear.

Yeah, Reva worked out where it went because it was blatantly obvious and went there overground because it was faster.

I thought that was pretty clear to be honest.

 

[Adrenaline]

There's a lot of stuff that can be easily explained that wouldn't need explanation if it was shot more clearly.

 

[RT-55J]

I will say, regardless of the faults I've had with the show so far, that I've really enjoyed how Reva's (that's the 3rd sister's name right?) main character trait appears to be "actually does research." That seems like a very rare skill in the Star Wars universe.

 

[4-So]

There's something about Reva that I find duplicitous. When Vader says he knows what she wants - to be Grand Inquisitor - I wonder if she only wants that as a means to an end to get closer to Vader and kill him, presumably taking his place at the Emperor's apprentice.

 

[Phantoon]

There's something about Reva that I find duplicitous. When Vader says he knows what she wants - to be Grand Inquisitor - I wonder if she only wants that as a means to an end to get closer to Vader and kill him, presumably taking his place at the Emperor's apprentice.

Or to get revenge for all that youngling murdering

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

All of which makes me assume she’s going to die or do a face turn or die during face turn.

 

[4-So]

Another thing occurred to me. I think we now understand why Leia would name her son Ben. Before this series, she didn't seem to have any specific connection to Obi-wan, and only knew him as someone her dad knew, but Leia's son being named Ben now makes more sense than just winking at the audience.

 

[Adrenaline]

It does make it kind of odd in her holo-message that she mentions Obi-Wan working for her father but not the time he personally rescued her from kidnappers

 

[4-So]

It does make it kind of odd in her holo-message that she mentions Obi-Wan working for her father but not the time he personally rescued her from kidnappers

That's what I thought. Unless they do some kind of Jedi mind-wipe to make her forget and then she remembers later on. Or the son's name as Ben is a kind of fluke because JJ Abrams and his audience flirting. Guess we'll find out.

 

[YangusKhan]

I am interpreting that incongruity as her not wanting to bring up a kidnapping in a somewhat official message she's sending as a Princess/politician, so if ever the R2D2 message got intercepted, it would just be her talking to a "friend of her father's"

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

Just started up episode 4 of Obiwan. One thing I was thinking about was the fact that I really enjoyed how in episode 3, Leia's precociousness and devil-may-care-attitude - that she inherited from her father and that Luke also inherited - was shown to be innate to her as well. And when it gets her and Obiwan in serious hot water, she's cognizant of it and deeply remorseful. And I really like that as a mildly subtle bit of character work, that explains why she's different from her family and usually played the straight-man/voice-of-reason in the original trilogy in many situations. She learned from Obiwan from a very early age to temper her wild-side. Also is nice for Obiwan too, since he's very conscious of how him not being a more firm moral guide for Anikin, and how he often indulged his wild-side like a brother, instead of properly as a Jedi Master/mentor helped enable him being led astray.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

It's very convenient that bad things are always color-coded red in Star Wars land.

 

[Phantoon]

So that's how she knew they were being tracked in A New Hope

 

[Adrenaline]

Yeah it couldn't be because she's just... smart

 

[Sarcasmorator]

I don’t think having past experience with something would mean she’s not smart.

 

[Adrenaline]

That's not what I said.

 

[Phantoon]

It's like poetry, it rhymes.

It's a very Star Wars thing to do, have a familiar plot point but with different results. In an episode where Leia repeatedly outwits an Inquisitor it invalidates the "why can't she just be smart" criticism.

 

[Octopus Prime]

The shows have, on average, done a way better job of showing why the Empires bad than the movies did.

Nazi iconography is one thing, and blowing up planets to make a point (and… umm… building things with names like “Death Star”) are abstract enough that it doesn’t really sink in.

Strapping a screaming child into an execution chair in a torture chamber is something else entirely.

Also, pretty clear at this point that, no, Reva isn’t going to do a face turn and become good; she’s pretty much all in on hating Jedi. And y’know… child murder

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

Also, pretty clear at this point that, no, Reva isn’t going to do a face turn and become good; she’s pretty much all in on hating Jedi. And y’know… child murder

I mean, Anikin murdered countless younglings and made a face turn at the end. Who knows with Star Wars.

 

[Sarcasmorator]

Really makes me wonder about the solo show she’s apparently getting

 

[Phantoon]

She's basically proxy Darth Vader, angry in a very similar way for similar reasons and blaming all the wrong people for the situation she's in

 

[RT-55J]

so what are the odds right now of kenobi destroying a death star* at the end of this?

*if not literal, at least figurative