I mean - just from inflation alone, a price increase is understandable. $60 in 2010 is $71.40 in 2020 dollars
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the next next gen: talking about the ninth generation of videogame consoles
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Man, I still don't know what to do. It occurred to me that, as someone who didn't own a PS4 and who prefers digital games, I have to reason to pay extra for a PS5 with a disc drive. At $500cdn, the disc-free option is actually pretty appealing! But I've been a PC-first guy for the last 7 years and I really like it here. That said, upgrading my graphics card to a 3070 (which I think will be comparable in power to the new consoles) will cost more by itself than buying a PS5. Thankfully, I'm not in a big hurry - it helps that there are almost no big releases for the new consoles this year. I'll wait a bit and see how I'm feeling towards December, or maybe even March.
Sarge
hardcore retro gamin'
I tried to help the bro score one last night. I was unsuccessful in my efforts, but he did manage to get it in on Best Buy eventually. I'm probably going to hold off a bit, personally. I honestly don't have to have one right now, and given how almost all my efforts this year have been in the retro space, anyway, I'm not hurting for games to play.
4-So
Spicy
Sony claims there will be more PS5 launch units available than there were PS4 launch units in 2013, so people should be able to find one with just a bit of legwork. I'm sure pre-orders will open again periodically. Anybody looking for one may want to monitor Twitter - and I hate saying that, fuck Twitter - or somewhere like the forums at CAG.
Slickdeals alerts are where I want to be
Sooo... I don't know if this question applies to the ninth gen, or eighth, or whichever, but even though I'm not interested in any Xbox games past the 360, I'm also fretting that my 9 year-old Xbox 360 is on borrowed time (it's the latest version, but I sent enough RRoDs back for repairs to know this one ain't gonna last, and it has only lived this long because I turn it on maybe once a year.) With the smart speaker-looking Xbox coming out, which is my best option if I want a console where I can keep playing Crackdown 1 and Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon and so on?
4-So
Spicy
If you're only interested in playing older Xbox titles, I'd look at the Xbox One S or look at the Xbox Series S.
I have a One X and it's a fairly slick system; feels more powerful than the PS4 Pro (slightly better aesthetics in 4K, faster load times), doesn't sound like a F15 in my living room. The X series is probably overkill, however, if you're just trying to maintain an older library.
I have a One X and it's a fairly slick system; feels more powerful than the PS4 Pro (slightly better aesthetics in 4K, faster load times), doesn't sound like a F15 in my living room. The X series is probably overkill, however, if you're just trying to maintain an older library.
Xbox One S should play any backwards compatible 360 games that you have on disc. The Series S doesn't have a disc drive, so that's no use for you, unless all your old games are digital. The Series X would probably do the trick, but of course that's more expensive.
I would absolutely not presume that. As my Exhibit A: the PS2 games on PS3 are not playable on PS4, even though many of them are, in fact, THE SAME GAMES.
Virtua Racing, too! And a lot of Square RPGs on SNES were in the $70-$80 range. Hell, this 1992 EB catalogue has SF2 at $75 (that's $138 in 2020 bucks).
I got a preorder in for a PS5 at Walmart. I’d rather have not ordered from them, but they’re also the only business that announced a schedule for preorder, stuck to it, and offered enough stock so that I could actually have a chance at getting one over the script kiddies. I’m looking forward to it! I should maybe put a preorder down for some games and accessories I guess.
4-So
Spicy
Not sure about pre-ordering them since I don't expect a rush but the controller charger will be handy; I bought one early on for my PS4 and it's convenient to not have to futz with a wire. As far as games, I'll probably pick up Demon's Souls and AssCreed: NordicThunder. I'm interested in Spider-Man: Miles Morales but it feels like a wait-for-a-sale thing to me. I also need to finish up Ghost of Tsushima, so may as well do it on the PS5.
I have wireless chargers scattered around my room/home for charging cellphones because of how convenient it is, but with game controllers I'd rather stick with a wire tbh. I can deal with tiny little pads a few inches across, but big single-use cradles are a step too far for my conservation of space. I also like to stick to wires in case a controller dies on me in the middle of playing, and you can just instantly hook it up and continue playing.
I honestly don't have a lot of launch games I'm all that interested in. The new Asscreed is about it. Maybe Cyberpunk if I run out of things to play and the zeitgeist remains positive about it. I mostly want the PS5 to be able to swap out my launch PS4 (which I'm worried is on its last legs) and play all those games I have to catch up on in native 4k.
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It looks like a bunch of soon-to-be-disappointed people accidentally bought Xbox One X’s
The discontinued console skyrocketed up Amazon’s charts today.
www.theverge.com
I like the theory that part of this is because poorly calibrated bots, but it's still a predictably groady outcome to Microsoft's shitty naming conventions.
I just don't understand how I can't even remember which model of iPhone I'm currently using, yet I can get all of this Xbox stuff with no problems at all.
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
I wouldn't assume that the newest 360 is about to die; as far as I'm aware they fully fixed RROD. If it's that you want to play the games in better quality though, definitely go for it.
As an English man I can beat that easily. Street Fighter II at release here was £64.99 which in today's money is £133.28 or $166.76. I'm pretty sure Virtua Racing was even more.
LOL probably not. RRoD happened when the solder in the 360 broke down over time on the connections on the graphics chip, causing the chip to lose its connections to the board and lift off of it. The reason this happened was because:
1) The 360 was the first wave of home consoles that used leadless solder (thanks EU) on its circuit boards. Leadless solder is a lot less durable in high temperatures and will degrade and eventually snap if exposed to heat for long periods of time.
2) The 360 was the first wave of home consoles that ran so fast and hot that it required beefy heat dissipation to keep the machine's temperatures low, versus previous consoles relying on tiny fans or moderate heatsinks.
Microsoft's later hardware revisions did add stronger cpu/gpu fans to help ameliorate the problem. But like all computers, environmental factors matter. If the heatsinks/fans build up dirt from the environment, their efficiency at dissipating heat goes down, meaning your internal temperatures go up. If efficiency goes down to the point where internal temps begin to hit critical levels to damage the solder, then RRoDs are inevitable given enough use. Also if you are running your 360 in hot rooms, and/or are stashing it inside an entertainment unit with poor air circulation, that's going to raise ambient temperature which means less efficient heat dissipation.
This is something that all modern consoles experience, btw. The PS3's YLoD was the exact same issue, born from similarly inadequate temperature regulation. The 360's felt more prolific early in that console's life because of some very specific architecture issues, like the launch consoles basically having just a heatsink on the GPU and not even a fan; never mind a fan that channeled hot air out of the machine and optimized airflow. The PS3 had better heat solutions at launch, but they still eventually caused the same problem - especially in post-launch PS3s that were made in China with inferior fan units compared to the launch units manufactured in Japan. (Chinese fans could be easily identified from the Japanese ones because the Chinese fans only had like 11 or 13 blades on them compared to the Japanese ones having more like 18 blades.) Even the Wii could brick eventually if given the right circumstances. The standby mode for the Wii (so it could download updates and Miis while you slept) kept the system power on inside the Wii, but the fans were hard-locked off, regardless of the system temperature. So if your Wii sat in a poorly ventilated area or had objects on top of/near it, heat could build up while it was in standby to the point where it would brick.
PS4s and XBones are a lot less likely to croak because both Sony and MS learned a lot about temperature regulation during the last console cycle, but it still can't really do anything fundamentally about the dust that builds up in our machines, or about gamers not giving their consoles the proper room to breathe over long periods of time. If you've noticed your PS4's or XBone's system fans slowly becoming louder and louder as you've owned them (mine was quiet at launch, and now sounds like a jet engine), that's because dirt/grime has built up on the fans/heatsinks inside to the point where your machine needs to blow the fan harder and harder to compensate for the decrease in efficiency. I can't speak for long-term use of XBones (I sold mine off years ago) but I highly suspect the PS4 also has built-in failsafe triggers for when it senses system temps exceeding safe limits for the solder. Because my PS4 has gotten to the point where it just shuts off after a while when it gets too hot, and it takes time for the system to cool down before it's willing to cooperate again. This all probably extends the lives of these consoles, but not it's not an actual fix for the inherent problems.
And all of this is before you consider the fact that any experienced PC builder will tell you that the thermal paste/pads that are used to facilitate heat transfer between your microprocessors and their heatsinks/fans tend to only really last about 5 years of use before they start losing their efficiency and need to be replaced, and our consoles are no exception. So even if you keep your machines hermetically sealed so that they don't let dirt and shit inside, the thermal paste/pads will wear out eventually and there goes your machine's ability to dissipate its heat.
There are ways to prevent this all from happening, but it usually involves maintenance well above the average gamer's pay grade. If you're feeling adventurous enough to disassemble and clean your 360, you can clean the fans/heatsinks, and apply new thermal paste before it RRoDs on you. But consoles are designed to not be taken apart easily, as well as to be as physically compact as possible. So disassembling and then reassembling them is a difficult task for someone unused to doing it because the parts are complicated and delicate, and it's very easy to mess things up. My launch PS3, I did this process which probably extended its life, but in the process, one of the data cables connecting the SD card reader came loose and was a pain in the ass to put back together. And if you think the FAT PS3s can live without their card readers, think again because they're part of the system's boot cycle and they won't turn on without it connected. When the bluray disk laser crapped out on my launch PS3, I just bought a new slim one because while I could replace it on my own, or pay a pro to do it for me, it was just cheaper/less of a headache to just get a new one. I've also seen modders do things like drill new vents in 360s/PS3s, and replace stock fans with compatible, upgraded versions to increase heat dispersion efficiency, which probably works, but again that's hard stuff to do on your own unless you're used to messing with electrical stuff.
It's hard to say if or when Zef's 360 will go, it really depends on all of the factors above like how much use it's had and the environment he plays in. But RRoDs were never just magically fixed.
On a side note, I suspect one of the big reasons why the PS5 and the XSX are both so large, is in order to have the beefiest of cooling solutions inside their respective machines, considering how powerful - and thus hot - their chips must run at full load. Especially when console cycles are lasting longer and longer, and thus they'll need your machines to last longer than back in the day when console cycles turned over every 4-5 years at max.
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
The YLOD probably wasn't caused by the same issue as the XBox 360 - the reflow temperatures that are needed to "fix" it aren't enough to reflow solder so the answer is something else. It's most likely the NEC/TOKIN capacitors which are famously crap and have a really short life (ask someone with a Toshiba laptop) - and the PS3 has 8 of them. If even one goes the CPU doesn't get enough power.
As evidence the revisions that are known for this kind of failure are the CECHA all the way to the CECH-2000 Slim Model and no other revision from CECH-2100 and upwards get the YLOD. Apparently about this time they changed capacitors. Just because it's true for one console doesn't make it true for all.
As evidence the revisions that are known for this kind of failure are the CECHA all the way to the CECH-2000 Slim Model and no other revision from CECH-2100 and upwards get the YLOD. Apparently about this time they changed capacitors. Just because it's true for one console doesn't make it true for all.
Xbox Series X/S 1TB expandable storage costs $220
UPDATE 4pm UK: Microsoft has now confirmed UK pricing for its official Series X/S 1TB expandable storage - and it's £22…
www.eurogamer.net
Pajaro Pete
(He/Himbo)
well good luck on that microsoft
fucking lol (to ms not you)
It's probably just a plastic shell around a pre-formatted drive like the last time, so yeah, this'll last exactly as long as it takes for somehow to work out a bypass using existing shells and higher capacity drives. Also just like last time, lol.
That's nice and all if you have the knowhow and patience to do that kind of thing. On the other hand, I knew quite a few friends who put down stupid amounts of money on dinky 360 expansion hdd because they didn't know better. It's easy money for MS, it's one of the centerpieces of their entire business model, and I fucking hate it.
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
In this case I can believe it's a bespoke thing. The PS5 one has all kind of prioritisation levels.
Sony released a teardown video of the PS5:
There's a lot of really interesting stuff that has me both reassured and excited. Most of the console's huge size is due to the system cooling, which I'm sure is part necessity, and part dealing with the past generation's loud machines. There's some really neat bleeding edge tech in there like using liquid metal as the medium to conduct heat from the CPU to the heatsink instead of your typical thermal paste/pads. The SSD is attached to the mobo like if it were a cellphone, but the PS5 has an additional empty m.2 slot that's easily accessible so you can add more storage elegantly and easily. So if you wanted to upgrade from 1TB to 2, you'd just need a 1TB SSD instead of buying a 2TB one. That and it just being an m.2 slot is the kind of thing I appreciate Sony machines for over Microsoft ones because they're generally a lot more consumer friendly in their design choices. There's also built-in dust catchers with mesh screens that'll keep the inners from getting as clogged with dust as previous consoles did (so long as you vacuum them out). Good stuff all around.
There's a lot of really interesting stuff that has me both reassured and excited. Most of the console's huge size is due to the system cooling, which I'm sure is part necessity, and part dealing with the past generation's loud machines. There's some really neat bleeding edge tech in there like using liquid metal as the medium to conduct heat from the CPU to the heatsink instead of your typical thermal paste/pads. The SSD is attached to the mobo like if it were a cellphone, but the PS5 has an additional empty m.2 slot that's easily accessible so you can add more storage elegantly and easily. So if you wanted to upgrade from 1TB to 2, you'd just need a 1TB SSD instead of buying a 2TB one. That and it just being an m.2 slot is the kind of thing I appreciate Sony machines for over Microsoft ones because they're generally a lot more consumer friendly in their design choices. There's also built-in dust catchers with mesh screens that'll keep the inners from getting as clogged with dust as previous consoles did (so long as you vacuum them out). Good stuff all around.
4-So
Spicy
The PS5 is dummy thicc. This is the first time I've considered, and likely will follow through, setting up a console in the horizontal position, so I can maximize that all-important air flow.
I pulled the trigger on pre-ordering Demon's Souls and AC: Valhalla, so I suppose all there's left to do is wait for Nov 12th.
I pulled the trigger on pre-ordering Demon's Souls and AC: Valhalla, so I suppose all there's left to do is wait for Nov 12th.
The PS4 has a similar removable faceplate, but it's only for about a quarter of the chassis so you can access the hdd easily. There were a few times Sony had limited edition replacement plates for certain things/special events, but it was nothing like the 360 trying to be the next Nokia dumbphone from the early 2000s. I doubt Sony will go ham on replaceable faceplates and flood stores with them (it would take up too much physical shelf-space) and leave the whole thing up to third party/boutique if they want to go down that road.
I just learned about this:
As someone who plays a lot of Japanese games O to confirm was honestly a major factor keeping me within the Playstation ecosystem. With this plan to make X the norm in all regions and a no PS1-3 backwards compatibility, I feel free for the first time to seriously consider an XBox instead, if I'm going to have to relearn that muscle memory either way. (Currently have no commitment to either of these things and am unlikely to get either one until it's time for a cheaper, smaller revision...)
As someone who plays a lot of Japanese games O to confirm was honestly a major factor keeping me within the Playstation ecosystem. With this plan to make X the norm in all regions and a no PS1-3 backwards compatibility, I feel free for the first time to seriously consider an XBox instead, if I'm going to have to relearn that muscle memory either way. (Currently have no commitment to either of these things and am unlikely to get either one until it's time for a cheaper, smaller revision...)
