32X mini confirmed! =D
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You Say TurboGrafx, I Say CoreGrafx (Let’s Call The Whole Mini Console Thing Off)
- Thread starter Positronic Brain
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32X mini confirmed! =D
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
I't take that for 32X Virtua Fighter and Star Wars Arcade! A Mega / Sega CD Mini would be way better than some may expect too
muteKi
Geno Cidecity
Honestly a Sega CD mini would fucking rule especially if they can get a batman game or two on there and Robo Aleste. A lot of the most interesting (if not necessarily classic) stuff is Core Design. What I really want deep within my heart of hearts, though, is a remastered version of Wirehead.
Also on the 32X side don't count out Virtua Racing Deluxe!
But what I really want, seeing how I have both of those consoles already (even if there's no good hardware replication of 32X with hi-res HDMI out a la Mega SG or MiSTer) is definitely Saturn mini...
Also on the 32X side don't count out Virtua Racing Deluxe!
But what I really want, seeing how I have both of those consoles already (even if there's no good hardware replication of 32X with hi-res HDMI out a la Mega SG or MiSTer) is definitely Saturn mini...
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
As I can't like posts I'll have to say I agree with all of this. Core Design made some really impressive stuff on the Mega CD and the driving bit of Batman Returns is amazing. SEGA really screwed up, they should have done Super Scaler conversions rather than FMV stuff. It was a great piece of hardware that wasn't used properly.
And I'll say once more, that while I'm playing it the Saturn is my favourite console. I remember the official Saturn magazine telling its readers to mod the console, and they had a point. Once you had access to Japanese games it was one of the best consoles ever.
I thought the Master System was the SG-1000 Mark III?
Sarge
hardcore retro gamin'
I think it's just easier to emulate the Dreamcast at this point, oddly enough.
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
Yeah, as someone who knows little about how emulation really works it'll always strike me as weird. I'm guessing it's because early on in 3D there were lots of bits of esoteric silicon and now non standard approaches to console design, and that's the bit that's difficult to emulate correctly. Regardless, the N64 mini and Saturn are probably a few years off still.
That would suit me just fine.
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
I thought I heard once the Saturn apparently used quad polygonal meshes, whereas most other consoles and PC GPUs went the route of triangular polygonal meshes, so emulating how the Saturn rendered 3D objects is just fundamentally different as well.
Also developer interest in emulating one device other another is not always equal. With the original XBox having a more PC like architecture than the GameCube or PS2, one would think its emulation on Windows would be farther along than it is.
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
I'm guessing there's a number of reasons for that, partly the Xbox fanbase. There's plenty of people desperate to play PS2 and GameCube stuff, I'm not sure the demand is the same for original XBox. Which is a shame.
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
I kind of get it. Outside of a half a dozen or so Sega published titles, most noteworthy OG XBox games have PC ports already...
...But those Sega games...
...But those Sega games...
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
There's a lot of great original XBox games outside of the Sega stuff, so it's a real shame the emulation isn't more mature.
The Saturn was harder to program than the Playstation, and the market wasn't there to learn, so I don't think we ever saw quite what it was capable of. It had two CPUs and VDPs so programmers had to learn how to deal with that for the first time for a starter. Sony had decent libraries which let you program in C, I believe you really had to use Assembly to get the most out of the Saturn.
The Saturn was harder to program than the Playstation, and the market wasn't there to learn, so I don't think we ever saw quite what it was capable of. It had two CPUs and VDPs so programmers had to learn how to deal with that for the first time for a starter. Sony had decent libraries which let you program in C, I believe you really had to use Assembly to get the most out of the Saturn.
Oh yeah. I would do things to get OutRun 2/2006 widely available again...
It probably also helps that Microsoft has actually prioritized backward compatibility to an extent. A lot of the classic games for older Xbox systems are playable on modern hardware without having to emulate. I suspect one of the things that drives the emulation scene is the desire to revisit older experiences, or to unearth hidden gems from an older era. Backward compatibility makes that easier for a lot of folks.
As I understand it, the Saturn offered Assembly as the only option for programming. That, combined with the multiple processors in a time when that was unheard of, and the lack of readily available documentation, was I think a large part of what doomed the console.
Sarge
hardcore retro gamin'
According to this, there were C/C++ compilers for the system. I'd be shocked if there weren't - even the Genesis had C compilers! It does appear, though, that early on there weren't good tools for the system.
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To get the most out of the system, though, you definitely had to use assembly. It's part of the reason Grandia took so long to create; I'm pretty sure Game Arts did code that one with pure assembly.
Regardless, a dev could use C as a starting point, but any worth their salt would go in and optimize that code with some assembly in the bottlenecks to improve performance.
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To get the most out of the system, though, you definitely had to use assembly. It's part of the reason Grandia took so long to create; I'm pretty sure Game Arts did code that one with pure assembly.
Regardless, a dev could use C as a starting point, but any worth their salt would go in and optimize that code with some assembly in the bottlenecks to improve performance.
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muteKi
Geno Cidecity
OutRun 2 might only be on XBox but you can probably find a disc copy of 2006 for PC for not much money, and I'd bet that nearly anything that came out this console cycle should run it. But Panzer Dragoon Orta, man...
Yeah there's a sort of irony in that the Dreamcast also has a few really forward-thinking features that make it difficult to emulate as well, especially that in particular I'm thinking of order-independent transparency rendering (something the Saturn was known for distinctly not supporting)
I'm set for PC, but I'd still rather have it on my TV. I am just not much of a PC Gamer. I mean, I play them, but it's not my first preference if I can get the same on console.
Anybody has fooled around with USB controllers for their Turbografx mini? I was eyeing a 8-bitdo M30 2.4g for my Mega Drive mini but I was wondering if they work in a TurboGrafx mini as well.
Hey I just bought one of these - the Japanese PC Engine Mini specifically - and I was wondering for anyone who owns that version of the system - is Ys Book I & II available in English? It's not a huge deal if not, there's plenty to play on this without that game, but it'd be nice.
Also what's up with the hacking scene for this (or lack thereof, apparently)?
Also what's up with the hacking scene for this (or lack thereof, apparently)?
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
I don't have mine plugged in to double check, but I believe the english version is on there.
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
The wiki has the differences between the versions, which there aren't that many.
Most of the TG-16 content is intact. Basically you're missing Splatterhouse and Salamander, but getting a Tokimeki Memorial and a Tengai Makyo game, which while interesting both are text heavy.
Most of the TG-16 content is intact. Basically you're missing Splatterhouse and Salamander, but getting a Tokimeki Memorial and a Tengai Makyo game, which while interesting both are text heavy.
That was the list that confused me (not because it's poorly written, but because I'm a moron). If I'm reading it correctly, that means the one game on there I want in English (within reason - I know they were never going to translate the PC Engine Snatcher) is in English, meaning the only thing I'm really missing is Salamander, because I could not care less about Splatterhouse. Hooray!
Sarge
hardcore retro gamin'
I'm not sure what's happening on the hacking side. I know it was supposed to have been hacked a while back, but it wasn't released and I believe isn't a safe process due to not being able to get into FEL mode easily since it doesn't have a reset button like the other mini consoles.