The Cutest World War! Let's Play SD Gundam G Generation World!

It pretty much does, aside from non Grunts.

You'll need a few units with decent MAP attacks for the Secret units on the EX maps.

And multiple lockon, which is easily the best new thing about G Generation world. It makes the Gundam X an unstoppable monster, and I love it.

Turn A is a good start in that regard!

Turn A has terrible lock-ons, though. They both cost too much, one has terrible range, and the other is just RIDICULOUS conceptually.

Units with a "Buster Rifle"-like weapon have the best lock-ons, though some of them have terrible longevity as well.

Just tell me what path does it take for us to get the GX-9900 and similar units, so we can deck our heroes with the Gundam X/Double X, Airmaster, Leopard, Ashtaron and Virsago.

Bonus points if we can have the GX, DX, and GX-Divider in the same team.

I'm not sure, but I think we have a Gundam X fan in our midst.

Possibly!

Unfortunately for him, two Victory fans can out-vote him.

Gundam X, Gundam Wing, and Gundam ZZ fan, to be exact. 00 was interesting until episode 23 then I couldn't keep up any longer, and the rest either I find bad (Victory, SEED Destiny) or uninteresting (Classic).

But hey, he did get Audrey in a mech for one mission so at least my voice isn't unheard here!

I uh... wha?

You like ZZ, but you find Victory bad? Qwa?

So I picked up my playthrough of the PSP version (I stalled on it at the C rank because I had other new shinies to play with), and started dicking around with my V2 AB. There's a Wings of Light MAP attack that involves dashing in a line across the map and damaging everything along both sides.

"And then EVERYONE DIES. BLOODILY."

Yeah, that's a no to me. Victory's the apex of Tomino's depression in Gundam, and that really bothers me. So I don't really like it.

I would actually argue that Zeta is much more depressing than Victory. I was kind of surprised actually!

Victory was mostly tertiary characters dying pointless, bloody deaths, which is a thing that generally happens in war.

Yeah, I didn't watch Zeta either. Perple said it was SOOOO MUCH BETTERU than ZZ and that ZZ sucked, and after watching ZZ I disagree.

But then I see.

IIRC, wasn't ZZ something like beloved characters die for nothing, while Victory was more supporting adult characters die so that the children can have hope and fight for a better future?

It wouldn't be a Gundam thread without everyone griping about each other's respective favorite shows

(Yes, I know I started it)

If by fight for a better future you actually mean pointless, then yes. There's only one group of folks that I would accept died for that reason. Everyone else was just pointless. One was even pointed out in-show as being utterly pointless, and the guy just killed the character because he could. And then there were scenes like Uso carries around his mother's head for a few episodes.

V just seems to be mostly pointless overall, really. With stuff like that, and the Zanscare Empire's apparent plan to defeat Uso by having all their female pilots molest him. And V2AB gets literally 1 minute of screen time before it gets destroyed by a random attack.

Zeta has some deaths, but only one was silly. The rest were tactfully done, and actually had meaning. ZZ is considered worse then Zeta because it's mood whiplash; the start of the series is silly because it's a different directing crew. And then the end of the series is serious... because it's ANOTHER different directing crew. And it's a fairly jarring shift.

ZZ starting silly is also offsetting, because the show starts immediately after the last episode of Zeta, so the overall plot goes from serious to silly. It's like watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, except when you get to The Two Towers, you're watching Spamalot instead.

The creepy pointlessness of those scenes is one of the two things that come to mind for me when I think back to watching Victory Gundam. The other is the female Zanscare commander (Fara Griffon, I think?) who is executed for her failure early on in the series, in a really startling and affecting scene. Then, thirty episodes later it turns out she actually survived her execution, and now she's a cackling insane space witch with bells on her head. Teeth-gratingly dumb. The only thing that show had going for it was the totally sweet music.

Also some tremendously good battles. A great villain in the ever-crazier Katajina. A well-rounded, sympathetic cast of both kids and adults. And the pure sweetness that is the V2 Gundam.

Also this thing:



Fact: Victory Gundam was Gundam ZZ only good. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

To me, the real weight of V comes from its emphasis on Newtypes and how they might shape society and culture. There's those that handle it well (Uso and his friends) and those that handle it poorly (the Zanscare Empire). Much of the "pointlessness" in the series is intended to exercise this theme.

Even the space bikini assault scene really works with that, as an extension of the already-ridiculous metaphorical underpinnings of the genre. Giant robots aren't just literal giant robots, after all, they're a statement on the dehumanization of warfare. Katejina - a Newtype still thoroughly mired in Oldtype thinking - attempts to undermine and rattle Uso's psychology by literally throwing weaponized sex at him. Uso is affected, but, being a Newtype, completely differently from how she intended.

Plus, the Motorad fleet. How can you say no to the Motorad fleet?

This is the best thread and I love this discussion. Also I think I now need to get my hands on V Gundam somehow.

I've failed! Another innocent lost!

I *really* don't want to bother arguing because of the feeling that we'll go around on circles: everything I read about Victory only makes it clearer that I don't want to watch it, and similarly it's probably the things that interest people in Zeta (Titans being smellyfaces who commit terrorist actions with the only good guys being the crew of the Argama, and even they aren't a totally nice bunch) that drive me away from it.

...and I'll bet you lot is going to think I'm just as much a fool for being so SICK of Turn A that I'm not giving it a chance, either. (Seems like I just like the things nobody likes yet I also don't like vanilla SEED Destiny either.)

See, for everything that is said about the shows? I still enjoyed them a lot.

Gundam comes in many different flavors. There's nothing wrong with being a fan of what Wing and Gundam X have to offer (Double Zeta... uh... well... yeah)

It all depends on what you're looking for in Gundam, really. Personally, I'm a sci-fi fan first, so I hedge toward the classic movies, Zeta, UC, et al

That said, the AU units in G Generation World are generally more fun to use.

Yeah the G Gundam stuff, Domon's units in particular, are ridiculous. A base Shining Gundam with Domon in the cockpit at even High Tension will wreck pretty much anything non-boss or ship in a single hit. Super Mode Shining Finger is that ridiculous, and the Shining Finger Sword even more so if you want to blow the MP on it.

Which naturally fits G Gundam so well.

G Gundam and Unicorn Gundam are pretty much super robots.

Blaaargh, lost an hour or so of actual playtime on the Storm of Io mission in C rank because I got too cocky with one of my master robots and an unlucky crit at low health. That one's not quite as nasty as B EX especially not when you unlock the Secret unit in the first Break, but still, piles of grunts and MAP nuke missiles in the first phase alone is not a fun ride. The second phase is even more annoying, and then you can accidentally do the second Break and dump a bunch of F90 guys right in the middle of the first Break bunch like I did.

Ended up overextending myself because I had to send back some heavies to deal with the map's secret unit all the way across the map.

Corrected for you. Every single Gundam TV series is very obviously about super robots, but written in a real robot story. Or not even, in the case of the original series, which was CLEARLY written as a super robot story. It's actually only manga and OAV side stories that (for the most part) treat Gundams as not magical.

Wait what? 0079 threw away pretty much every Super Robot trope and started over from scratch.

And what's so magical about the original RX-78? Or the Gun-EZ? Or the GP-01/02 from 0083? Or the Alex from 0080?

From what I understood didn't he say that 0083 or 0080 count as the non-magical ones?