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This is not my beautiful Hyrule! This is not my beautiful Zelda! Talking Genshin Impact

muteKi

say "fish don't exist" to my face, motherfucker
paimon is quite possibly named after a demon from the ars goetia and really obviously is only pretending to be a fucking idiot (though doing a good job at it)
I am now fully convinced that should they exist that hell looks exactly like heaven except one of these things is constantly escorting you around. They did a good job indeed.
 

Alixsar

The Shogun of Harlem
(He/him)
It's your fault for using English voice acting, cry some more. Think on your sins. I'm also into the absolute negative amount of fucks the localizers give sometimes. Most of the dialogue is straight, but then every so often it gets completely bananas. I wish they'd lean into that wacky tone more honestly.

Good job on the Jean/Sucrose pull. I'm rank 23 and threw 20 bucks at the game and have done as many free pulls as I can and still don't a single five star weapon or character. Then I see shit like this


Clearly, there is no God.

It's fine, I've gotten one dupe of Kaeya, two of Barbara, and FOUR of Fischl, so they've all got some constellation bonuses. I've been using Noelle a lot too once I started moving into harder areas and leveled the world up. There's still some characters I'd rather have (Razor, Diluc, Mona, Qiqi, etc.) but...whatever it's fine. I'm also impressed that on top of a monthly pass and gatcha pulls, this game has a BATTLE PASS too. Like...Jesus, guys.

Anyway this game is still really fun. It's BotW but with gatcha/MMO gatekeeping and grinding, more/better combat, and a constant but slow drip feed of gear and items. It was basically made in a lab to get me addicted to. I'm curious what the future of this game will be though...people are already complaining (understandably) about the gatekeeping of the resin economy, and I'm curious how many people are gonna stick with it after a month or so...
 

YangusKhan

does the Underpants Dance
(He/Him/His)
I started playing this today. Got to Adventure Rank 8 and finished the first set of prologue quests before stopping. Did my 2 draws and got a bunch of weapons plus the free Noelle. It looks like I'll get another pull's worth at AR10 from their gifts? Otherwise... how do you even gain gacha currency? I keep getting those crystal things from doing everything but you don't spend those on pulls? What is that about?
 

Becksworth

Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
You can trade those in for both of the pull currencies. I think you can buy other things with them, but using them for pulls is supposed to be the optimal use of them I think.
 

ThornGhost

lofi posts to relax/study to
(he/him)
If you try to pull without having the specific currency for it, the game will ask you if you'd like to use Primogems instead and will automatically trade them in for the conversion rate.
 

Alixsar

The Shogun of Harlem
(He/him)
The new Wish-focus or whatever is on Klee, so they put this out


English voice acting aside, uh, this is my kinda goofy shit
 

YangusKhan

does the Underpants Dance
(He/Him/His)
So I did some math to determine how long it would take to save up enough for 90 pulls to pity a 5* character. If you pay for the $5 monthly thing and do all of your dailies, you get exactly 30 pulls every 30 days. So it would take 90 days and $15 to save for 90 pulls (outside of other primogem income). If you don't pay for the monthly thing, then it drastically increases how much time it takes to save up 90 pulls -- 240 days. Again, this is without accounting for other primogem income, or the premium battle pass which includes more gems and also Fate currency.
 

BEAT

LOUDSKULL
(DUDE/BRO)
Wait, so you can't just BUY the things you want to buy?

Like.

If I think character X looks cool, I can't just go "Yes I would like to purchase that one for 4 human dollars please.

I HAVE to gamble?
 

Bongo

excused from moderation duty
(he/him)
Staff member
Wait, so you can't just BUY the things you want to buy?

Like.

If I think character X looks cool, I can't just go "Yes I would like to purchase that one for 4 human dollars please.

I HAVE to gamble?
First time playing a gacha?
 

MetManMas

DNM-123
(He, him)
Some F2P games let you buy what you want from a store with gems or whatever. Some with a fixed stock, others with a rotating stock.

Some F2P games have a subscription service of some sort that will seem like a better deal than the other stuff if you're an active player.

Many F2P games have gachas of some sort where you spend gems or whatever to try and win the prize you want.

Most F2P games have a combination of these things. The more ways to part man from money, the better for them.

If you want to play an F2P game, don't try to be a completionist. That path only leads to rage, sorrow, and bankruptcy.
 

aturtledoesbite

earthquake ace
(any/all)
So I did some math to determine how long it would take to save up enough for 90 pulls to pity a 5* character. If you pay for the $5 monthly thing and do all of your dailies, you get exactly 30 pulls every 30 days. So it would take 90 days and $15 to save for 90 pulls (outside of other primogem income). If you don't pay for the monthly thing, then it drastically increases how much time it takes to save up 90 pulls -- 240 days. Again, this is without accounting for other primogem income, or the premium battle pass which includes more gems and also Fate currency.
I'm interested to see your math.
My understanding is that daily, with the sub card, you can get 150 primogems a day. 10x4 commissions, 20 commission set bonus, 90 card.
That's not *quite* a pull. In 30 days, you have 4500 gems, which will get you 28 pulls with 20 gems left over.
 

YangusKhan

does the Underpants Dance
(He/Him/His)
I'm interested to see your math.
My understanding is that daily, with the sub card, you can get 150 primogems a day. 10x4 commissions, 20 commission set bonus, 90 card.
That's not *quite* a pull. In 30 days, you have 4500 gems, which will get you 28 pulls with 20 gems left over.
You also get 300 of those other crystal things from buying the monthly card, which are 1:1 to turn into primogems. So you're effectively getting 100 gems per day from it. (Why does this game have a secondary currency you can buy for real money and then turn THAT into primogems which you then THOSE into the fate currency for actually pulling on something?)
 

Alixsar

The Shogun of Harlem
(He/him)
(Why does this game have a secondary currency you can buy for real money and then turn THAT into primogems which you then THOSE into the fate currency for actually pulling on something?)
1) to obfuscate things more
2) So you can get one Fate as a quest reward or giveaway, and have it limit what you can spend it on.
3) Conversely, so you can get Primogems as a reward or giveaway and have it feel "more valuable" since you can spend it on anything.

Some F2P games let you buy what you want from a store with gems or whatever. Some with a fixed stock, others with a rotating stock.

Some F2P games have a subscription service of some sort that will seem like a better deal than the other stuff if you're an active player.

Many F2P games have gachas of some sort where you spend gems or whatever to try and win the prize you want.
Genshin has all of this; spending "gems" on "fates" gives you "Wishes" aka an item or character. But getting wishes gives you one of two currencies (starglitter and like...master glitter or something), and you can spend glitter on various things. But certain rarities gives you certain glitter and the items for sale with each are not the same. Some have a limited stock and others don't. For instance, this month you can buy Razor with glitter, but it's the glitter that you get when you get 4 or 5 star rarities only.

This game DOES have rarity "protection" though; every 10 wishes you are GUARANTEED a 4 star weapon or character, and every 90 wishes you are guaranteed a 5 star.

It also has a monthly subscription; 5 bucks gets you 300 crystals upfront (which is the real money currency that is exchanged at a 1:1 ratio with gems and exists solely to confuse things) and a daily allotement of 90 crystals.

It also has a Battle Pass, which has you completing daily and monthly objectives to level, which gives you stuff. There's multiple levels and a 10 dollar fee to access the "better" rewards, and a 20 dollar version that gives you a bunch of free levels (you can also just buy levels outright like other Battle Passes).

There's ALSO an ingame currency called Resin that regenerates over time, but is required to do some of the endgame activity. You can get "Fragile Resin" from leveling up which restores 60, but you're capped at 120 so even if you take a few days off you can still only do a few things before you run out (most activites cost 20 or 40). You need the things you get to ascend your character (characters have caps on them so you can only level them so much until you need items to uncap them, same with weapons), ascend your weapons, get artifact equipment from any of the sets that aren't the super basic ones, and level up your characterer's talents all from activities that use resin, so you're basically permanently in need of it once you hit a certain point in the game.

People are mad about the resin system, understandably. It sucks, but it basically serves as a way to time-limit how much you can progress through the game so you stick with it over time...orrrrrrrr spend real money to recharge your resin. Hopefully they increase the cap or lessen the amount of time it takes to regen (I think it's 8 hours for a full restock? Something like that).

Anyway, that's how gatchas work and I'm sure BEAT is reading this now and like WHAT THE FUCK because that's how all non-gatcha people react whenever I tell them how a gatcha works.
 

aturtledoesbite

earthquake ace
(any/all)
People are mad about the resin system, understandably. It sucks, but it basically serves as a way to time-limit how much you can progress through the game so you stick with it over time...orrrrrrrr spend real money to recharge your resin. Hopefully they increase the cap or lessen the amount of time it takes to regen (I think it's 8 hours for a full restock? Something like that).
So, for a followup here.
You can replenish resin with Primogems up to 6 times a day, for increasing cost each refill each day. So if you spend infinite money, you can increase 180 resin/day up to 540 resin/day.
8 hours will let you recover 60 resin, normally.
 
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