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The All-New TT: Television Time Mini Reviews

Curb Your Enthusiasm just ended this Sunday. (If Larry David wanted to make another season, I'm sure HBO would bend over backwards, but for now it's being touted as the final season.)

The final episode has the same basic premise as the final episode of Seinfeld. The episode is fittingly titled "No Lessons Learned".

The only real difference between the two shows finales is that people in the 90s were really, weirdly, attached to the Seinfeld characters and liked them as people. Which is extra weird in hindsight because they're all weirdo sociopaths. Here, I feel like most people would be ok with Larry getting his comeuppance because no viewer is under any illusions that the character he plays isn't a loathsome pos.

Not the best season finale the series has ever had, but it's pretty solid and appreciate the meta-humor.
 

YangusKhan

does the Underpants Dance
(He/Him/His)
I haven't been keeping up with this season very well; I'm still on like episode 3 I think? Honestly I haven't enjoyed the last few seasons as much as the earlier stuff, but I don't know if that's because I've changed or if the show has (I haven't rewatched the show either; maybe it won't feel as funny to me anymore in general?), so I think that's part of what's killing my motivation to finish watching.
 

zonetrope

(he/him)
I haven't caught up yet, but I like the twist in the general premise of the season that Larry is on trial for violating a real law against helping people, in contrast to the Good Samaritan law in the Seinfeld finale.
 
I just admire the spite of doing it again. There's a moment in the finale where a mother is trying to use Larry as an object lesson for her child to learn a valuable lesson, and Larry - being disgruntled that his time is being wasted by a stranger - tells the kid "I've never learned a single lesson in my entire life." *chef's kiss*

I haven't been keeping up with this season very well; I'm still on like episode 3 I think? Honestly I haven't enjoyed the last few seasons as much as the earlier stuff, but I don't know if that's because I've changed or if the show has (I haven't rewatched the show either; maybe it won't feel as funny to me anymore in general?), so I think that's part of what's killing my motivation to finish watching.
The first season or so is a little rough before the show decides it's going to double down on/embrace Larry being a bad person, and then just gets better with literally every season from that point on until 2011, which is where the show peaked.

When it came back in 2017, I thought the Fatwa season was pretty brilliant, but it played like Larry was going through ideas he'd saved up over the course of like 6 years, and a few of them were out of date. I also thought the Spite Store season was also pretty damned good.

Last season and this season both are not the best, but it's still an enjoyable show. Solid gags on a routine basis, and also it'll never stop being entertaining to watch Larry get his just deserts.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
I thought the show fell off in season 5, then got some mojo back when they brought in JB Smoove, and then sort of fell off again in the last couple years, but even at its worst it was a fun watch. Larry David is maybe the best sitcom writer alive. I appreciate how the Curb finale played with the Seinfeld finale, but honestly I think I would have enjoyed it more if it just did the exact same ending straight with no subversion.
 

zonetrope

(he/him)
I haven't gone back and rewatched early Curb, so at this point it's surreal to me that there are five whole seasons without JB Smoove.
 
Amazon dropped the entire first season of Fallout a few hours ago. It's been getting universal critical praise, and one episode in it's pretty dang good.

Also, Ella Purnell is a superstar. Stamp it.
 

R.R. Bigman

Coolest Guy
Shogun was pretty great. Everybody was on their A game.

For a country all about meticulous decorum and honorable conduct, early 17th Century Japan had a lot of treachery and subterfuge.
The last scene with Toranaga spelling out what “Crimson Sky” actually was to lovable wretch Yabushige before killing him was riveting stuff. It was also as much of a climax to the war as we get.
 
For a country all about meticulous decorum and honorable conduct, early 17th Century Japan had a lot of treachery and subterfuge.
That's just Japan through its entire history. Honor is a stated ideal, but almost nobody actually lived up to it. The entire Way of the Samurai was almost entirely invented wholecloth - fan fiction by the real warrior class's descendents who dreamed of actually getting to use their swords while being glorified paper pushers in subsequent peaceful times in the Edo Period. 'Samurai' are almost as fictitious as dragons and elves.
 

R.R. Bigman

Coolest Guy
One other thing about Shogun that struck me was that I didn’t know any of these actors, but they’re all fantastic. Hiroyuki Sanada and Anna Sawai, especially. Cosmo Jarvis is maybe the weakest link with his sometimes Tom Hardy-esque delivery, but even he brings it when it really matters.

Watching this makes me wonder if people ever used Katanas for more than executing people or striking down peasants who looked at them funny. I know that swords in general have historically taken backseats in battle to polearms and bows, but katana have such a big pop culture image in Japan and abroad. Was that as manufactured as the Samurai themselves?
 

Paul le Fou

24/7 lofi hip hop man to study/relax to
(He)
So then how does that compare to 'Ninja'?
While sneaky violent folk called ninja technically existed, ninja as we know them are even more fictionalized than samurai, which is quite a bit.
Watching this makes me wonder if people ever used Katanas for more than executing people or striking down peasants who looked at them funny. I know that swords in general have historically taken backseats in battle to polearms and bows, but katana have such a big pop culture image in Japan and abroad. Was that as manufactured as the Samurai themselves?
The sword was, in Japan as elsewhere, a sidearm. It's something you'd use in full-on battle only if the enemy got closer than your main weapon (a spear, as you said), or something you might carry with you more casually as a self-defense weapon. Can't nip down to the izakaya with a spear and full armor, after all. And nice ones were also status symbols because they weren't cheap, so carrying one around was a way of showing off your status and wealth (or at least that of your patron).
 

Paul le Fou

24/7 lofi hip hop man to study/relax to
(He)
Double post for Fallout. It was good! I'm not a superfan of the games, I've only played 3, but I liked the show well enough and it captured the flavor pretty well I thought. I wasn't a big fan of the intrigue reveal at the end, though, but I'm willing to stick with the next season and see where it goes.
 

jpfriction

(He, Him)
I just watched the episode that involved Getting kidnapped by a homicidal robot pleasantly voiced by Matt Berry, breaking out of an abandoned supermarket by doing a conversation tree with a couple dudes and getting bitten in the ass by the choices that were made. That was as fallout as it could have been.
 
While sneaky violent folk called ninja technically existed, ninja as we know them are even more fictionalized than samurai, which is quite a bit.
This is true. However, they were still sometimes called "Ninja" -- Pretty much nobody called the warrior caste "Samurai" before the Edo Period. That was a label applied well after the fact. For the most part, they were simply "Bushi" - or warriors.
 
Pretty much my entire social circle of close friends, and work friends have been singing the praises of Shogun for a while and begging me to watch.

I've been very resistant to the idea though. The source material is pretty blatant Orientalism, nothing I've seen from the show to date has dissuaded me that the show would be any different, and most of the discourse surrounding the show has had a really strong aura of that as the underlying appeal for most people. I kept telling my friends diplomatically yes, I'll watch it in due time, I just need to find the right moment. But they don't know the real reservations I have, as a Japanese-American who resents these kinds of exoticized depictions of my ancestors culture/history, and that they must always invariably be through the lens of a white observer/lead.

Well, I watched the first episode last night. The show is gorgeous and incredibly well made. There's a lot of care and craftsmanship gone into it. Most of the surface details regarding how things look and people act are not glaringly wrong so far. I don't really feel like congratulating a show for doing something that should be a bare minimum expectation - of hiring actual Japanese people to play all of the Japanese character roles. Something that should be easy and a base standard, but isn't because America. And every actor across the board does an objectively splendid job. But there's three big things I couldn't really get over in the first episode:

1) Can't explore exotic cultures without the white man's POV guiding us: it's just inherently insulting. It's a constant reminder of what this show's intended audience is - not me. I resent that I can't get stories made about my culture without the faustian bargain of appealing to close minded white people who can't envision entertainment without them in the lead role. The entirety of the first episode's narrative is centered around extremely unsubtle commentary about WOW LOOK HOW DIFFERENT THEY ARE THAN US which is just. Not great. Ever. The tone is more travelog than anything else, more appropriate for works of science-fiction and exploring alien cultures. To do that to other humans always feels kinda icky. The show seems to be setting up the main character learning about this alien culture and growing to navigate and appreciate it. But like, that's his journey as a white guy. I don't care about that. The actual history and events of that time are inherently interesting by themselves, we shouldn't need this framing device. Which brings me to:

2) I cannot get over the show renaming historical figures: I just don't get it. As a student of history, I know most of the events and big movers and shakers of this place and era. I'm watching the first episode and trying to piece together what is going on based on the names and none of the character relationships really make much sense, until I realized oh. These are just Tokugawa Ieyasu and Toyotomi Hideyoshi and other figures with their serial numbers filed off. Everything about the plot started clicking, and yet I really don't friggin' get it. The only reason I can guess why you'd do something like this is because if you wanted to veer off of history for dramatic/entertainment purposes. But again - the history of this time is already fascinating and rich with story and intrigue! You don't need to make shit up for it to be a good show. It's just bizzare and distracting. Imagine if someone made a story about the American Revolution, but they decided to follow General Gregory Williamson as the leader of the Revolutionaries, and first President of the United States. Why? It's just like, fundamentally disrespectful.

3) This top-down view of Japanese culture is alienating and banal: And all of that brings me to this. I can tell the vast majority of this show is going to be centered around court intrigue - the strange cultural practices and social moores, the culture of the elites and powerful, the casual brutality. All of it othering, all of it a dysmorphic view of a real culture/people. The warrior caste only really made up about 5% of the total population. It's a tiny minority/subculture that barely reflected the lived experiences of the vast majority of people. It's about as good of a reflection of society as when outsiders of the States think Hollywood == America. I've heard people compare this as "Japanese Game of Thrones" -- but just like the poor imitation of a prequel that HBO is putting out, they're missing the fact that the lowkey best part of GoT is that the show gives a look at their society not just from a top-down perspective of the aristocracy, but shows all other angles of society as well - how they interact, how their lives are different, how one supports and either abuses/exploits or supports the other. Shows like Shogun likes to explore how different and peculiar the cultures of these out-of-touch aristocracies get, specifically accenting moral atrocities. And while setting aside the hypocrisy of avoiding giving us full context of how white people treated people back then too, it's just othering to not also focus on all the ways that people back then were more like us than not - which gets further accentuated when you don't give a closer examination of everyday people living everyday lives.

I'll try to reserve judgment and keep being as open minded as possible. Maybe I'm just forecasting doom and my reservations are unfounded, but one episode in, this show has all the hallmarks of things that get under my skin regarding how Western media treats Asian culture. I really want this show to betray my expectations and be something I can enjoy without caveat or compartmentalizing the bad from the good, I just... experience has taught me to not get my hopes up.
 
Pretty much my entire social circle of close friends, and work friends have been singing the praises of Shogun for a while and begging me to watch.
Following up on this. I've watched most of the show now at this point; marathoned it to avoid doing work over the weekend haha. Dramatics are still excellent, as is the acting. Most of my criticisms still hold up, but are a fair bit tempered/not as annoying as I had feared (still a bit annoying). Still can't get over them renaming the characters for no reason. Still resent the white guy POV but I'm sure he's a good audience surrogate for most folks. The plotting wants to touch on every blown out stereotype of extreme warrior-culture (they sure do like killing themselves golly!) with no semblance of balance for how everyone else lived (far less radically!). The one thing I didn't really foresee but probably bugs me the most is how dower and dreary and dull everything looks? Like, the color palate looks like there's a grey/brown filter over everything. Part of that I'm sure is just one of the age old problems of filming in Canada, and also just boiler plate prestige TV M.O. But it's just kinda regrettable to me. The artwork of high society at this time and all their lavish accoutrements were some of the world's most spectacular, colorful, and radiant in history. Japan also sits on the same latitudes as California and enjoys ample sunshine. You'd never fuckin' know watching Shogun tho. Most people will probably enjoy this show/not have the problems I do with it. But man do I still resent it.
 
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