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One of my few quibbles with this season is that Deanna Troi has been a mostly non-presence. She got one good breakout scene in the penultimate episode last week, but beyond that was the damsel in distress/symbol of Riker's grief. I wonder how much of that was just intentional writing, or if there were scheduling/pandemic conflicts.
The signal ID said "Anton Chekov," so I figured it was his son or another descendant.how old is Chekhov?
how old is Chekhov?
The signal ID said "Anton Chekov," so I figured it was his son or another descendant.
I believe it's a reference to the end of Voyager.I feel like I missed a chapter of Borg history. The Queen says that she was left at the edge of space, alone. When and how did that occur? Is this somehow tied into the Jurati Borg situation? (I'm honestly glad that wasn't brought up, as I'm disinterested in spending time on PIC continuity when there's so much else to do.)
Terry Matalas has said in no uncertain terms that as of right now, there are no spin-offs in development right now; that it hasn't been greenlit or in production. But it's very obvious that this is his pitch for a spin-off. And depending on fan reaction, that may be enough to get CBS to greenlight a spinoff in the same way what happened fairly organically with SNW spinning out of S2 of Discovery. It took the CBS bigwigs about a half a year to greenlight and announce to the public SNW. I assume it'll take a while before we hear anything about a "Star Trek: Legacy" spinoff since it'll take the bean counters time to crunch numbers and for Matalas to better script out a pitch.They are very clearly setting us up for a Captain Seven spinoff, which I guess will take Discovery's place once that wraps up. I'm all for it.
I feel like I missed a chapter of Borg history. The Queen says that she was left at the edge of space, alone. When and how did that occur? Is this somehow tied into the Jurati Borg situation? (I'm honestly glad that wasn't brought up, as I'm disinterested in spending time on PIC continuity when there's so much else to do.)
I think all of them did a marvelous job in this respect through the season (and Picard in particular through the whole show) but Data is where the change is most stark and noticeable.Brent Spiner does an amazing job of sounding like Data while also sounding completely changed. Dude has the best acting gig on Star Trek by far. He apparently hesitated at the role when he was originally cast because he was worried he'd be stuck playing a one note character. He plays sooo many different characters!
I think this is a very unfavorable evaluation of a man of immense talent, who wouldn't have been able to imbue such life into a character for so long without having a core understanding of who the character is that he's playing. Like, you don't do the kind of work Stewart has done for over 30 years through sustained coincidence/happy accidents. I could probably write a graduate thesis on this very subject. But I'll leave on the fact that while a lot of the superfluous trappings of S1 and S2 were retired from PIC as a show, the emotional and thematic core of the show and its characters directly informs the events of S3 in ways that just wouldn't have been as convincing or impactful without using S1 and 2 as its foundation. Especially the emotional climax that used S1&2's exploration and rehabilitation of a broken Picard to put him in a position to really convincingly sell the thematic final defeat of the Borg, and the spiritual rescue of his son.It's very good. I have a lot of thoughts, not all positive. While I sleep on em, I'll just say... Stewart doesn't really understand the appeal of his character. So while he was fighting against this very thing, this is the spot it should of started. I also think that the show pretty much memory holes the first two seasons. Especially perplexing as 2+3 done back to back.
In one of the Wheaton Ready Room segments, he suggests a Star Trek: Data spinoff where he plays every character.
He apparently hesitated at the role when he was originally cast because he was worried he'd be stuck playing a one note character. He plays sooo many different characters!
Matalas said in an interview yesterday that he wanted to bring Janeway back for Seven's promotion, and a bunch of other ideas. But his line producer told him no and that a lot of his ideas wouldn't be in budget or feasible for their production schedule. I don't know if that's true or he's just trying to use producer-talk to address fan complaints. But I'm pretty ok with this particular one. Janeway as a character, and Kate Mulgrew as an actress, deserves the spotlight and to be more than a short cameo footnote in someone else's story.Also goddamn Terry Matalas, you troll. Janeway was namedropped SO MANY times all season, and the Borg Queen directly references the events of the series finale of Voyager where Janeway dealt a deathblow to the collective that she is still smarting from and despite all that you don't bring Kate Mulgrew in for even a voice cameo. I'm honestly kind of impressed.
I get that perspective and understand where it comes from. At the same time, I 1) don't actually think those things were counter to idea of who Picard is as a character as you state, and 2) I don't put those decisions squarely at Patrick Stewart's feet either. To elaborate:More than fair. But he has often bristled against it. I think he knows the character, but wanted things that I would say are not always value adds. Ie Picard the action hero in the movies. And it seems he needed convincing to do what they did in S3. I assume maybe he got bored, or "we've done that"
FYI, to anyone interested in this sort of conversation, I highly recommend The Fifty Year Mission, an unauthorized oral history of the franchise. If the accounts there are to be believed, Stewart indeed pressed the writers to give Picard more cool stuff to do, which is how you end up with Die Hard in space. Which is fine! It’s good when actors can influence their characters, even if they don’t get the final say.
I know, I should watch these videos myself to learn, but I honestly don't want to torment me with this nonsense. Why do people have a problem with that? Do they think Picard should never stop being angry at Q, or what? I really don't understand. I loved it.I know a lot of Big Youtube Talking Heads absolutely despise the Q-Picard hug in the season finale
I like the first two seasons. They are way too ambitious and flub things quite a bit, but they also expand the lore in fun ways and lay out some toys for future shows to play with. Discovery had fun with the Qowat Milat, for instance.
Agreed on pretty much all counts. Chabon is an incredible novelist and thinker. I think it was probably a poor idea to give him the reigns of running a TV show which was so far out of his skillset and comfort zone. In a different future, they probably would have had him write out all this lore stuff and an outline or novelization version of what happened in S1, and then let talented screenwriters adapt all those ideas into a TV show instead.I do hope future series take some of the better ideas from Picard and flesh them out in a way Picard wasn't capable of doing. The Qowat Milat is a great example, as is honestly most of Chabon's Romulan lore - These are ideas that can be made great, given a good writing team and perhaps a move away from the season-long story arc format that hasn't worked great for Disco or Picard.
A few good stand-alone stories with any of these Picard threads - Jurati's Borg, the Qowat Milat, the Romulan Free State, the Federation's fall into Fox News / Section 31 conservative ideology, maybe even a final conflict against Section 31 as an idea - would be perfect material for Star Trek Legacy.
Captain Shaw was Seven of Nine's Roy Focker and I'm totally ok with that/happy with how that worked out.Annoyed they killed off Captain Shaw like that.
However that is minor in the face of how much I've otherwise enjoyed this season.
I turned it down at first. And then I thought about the offer and decided I would do it, but I made two conditions. I didn’t want to wear a uniform, and it must not be a series that is fundamentally a sentimental reunion of “The Next Generation.”
I looked forward to those scenes where Picard was not just anxious but actually frightened. Or confused. Or not knowing what to do. I got great satisfaction out of playing those things, because they allowed me to investigate, and release, aspects of Jean-Luc that had really never appeared in “Next Generation.”
There are moments when I look at scenes in “Picard” and think, “Poor guy, [laughing] he looks terrible. He’s having such a bad time.” That wasn’t my intention, but that was what was being communicated. Anxiety, stress, irritation.
It's A Macross reference, but more broadly, he's the flawed, mentor character that's a bit of an ass but also likable and has a good core. And he dies to both signify to the audience that nobody in the story is safe/the stakes are high, but also as motivation for the main character as they're now suddenly thrust into carrying on their mantle/responsibilities. Obi-Wan Kenobi was a more wholesome version of this in Star Wars to Luke. Imagine if Ben had a bit more Han Solo in him.I don't get your reference. I enjoyed the tension he provided to the "heroes." His development was promising and then ended abruptly with what I'd call a "cheap" death.
*quietly applauds*Overall wasn't nuts about this show, but I'm glad to see there were a lot of people that enjoyed it.
I'm gonna put my wall o' gripes under a spoiler block here.
In general, I think the cast did great work across the series, despite really rough material, and it can't be understated how far a good actor to elevate a character. We've seen it a lot in Discovery, and the same power-of-charisma was on display through every season of Picard.
I think overall, just a lot of the story didn't hit, and it really has to make sense story-wise for me to feel something. By contrast, the recent ending to His Dark Materials - a 3 season show - had me completely sobbing, because lord, that show earns it.
Picard did have a lot of good ideas - Hugh rehabilitating the XBs is something I loved, a refugee crisis with the Romulans was perfect for Jean Luc, Riker and Troi's losing a son was perfect for Frakes and Sirtis - and though they weren't done well, I was happy to see them, and hope to see some of them followed up later.
Bleak Future for the Federation
There’s this continuing throughline to all Picard - particularly S1 and S3 - about like, how the Federation is completely unwilling and/or unable to do good in the galaxy, and it’s up to rogue groups like the ex-borg Fenris Rangers or Section 31 or even medical supply/arms sellers (like Beverly) to make any difference out there.
2400 Earth is 2023 America, right down to it operating and condoning an ICE-like secret agency that is accountable to nobody. Lord almighty, that is a bleak place to put Star Trek. I caulk this up to this, in essence, being a CBS drama that isn't really about Star Trek, it's a vehicle for Patrick Stewart to explore a tortured character who was maybe meant to be in the modern era, and having that idea sorta awkwardly wrapped in Star Trek.
The part that really drives me up the wall with this is that like, every other Trek show, even the good ones, all now have to operate under the lore that, no matter what kind of universe they build in Lower Decks or SWN, it’s all doomed to come apart in the 20 or so years between LD and Picard, as the Federation collapses into ignornace and fear and conservative isolationism. Feels bad!
Villains Want Revenge
Picard and Discovery have been operating off the formula that you always need a villain to drive the action of a story, no exceptions. That villain has to die or be completely defeated by the end for the heroes to succeed. I think, in both DS9, TNG, and other sci-fi shows I've enjoyed like Babylon 5, there aren't clear-cut, mustache-twirling villains that are the main boss monster for each story. There are certainly antagonists - Gul Dukat is a great example of a Trek villain, a banal, fascistic strongman politician who the cast must work with and work against time and time again, just like in real-life politics.
As much as it would rule to blow Ted Cruz up with a photon torpedo, it's not going to unravel the entire conservative death cult we have today. It's just boring and pointless for a usually heady series like Trek to pretend that having Seven of Nine shove Rizzo off of a ledge to her death, or big dogging Commodore Oh into running away with a big warship fleet, solves any actual problem in this series, or would satisfy anyone.
Kill Your Enemies, Win the Day
The stories in each season of Picard has been really mind-numbing shlock, and since Trek is a series you tend to come to for the story, that sucks.
The first season had some kind of promise with the Romulan factions possibly going somewhere interesting, or the synth factions going somewhere interesting, but instead, the Romulans were, once again, the bad guys, and the Federation was in fact shown to be 100% justified in abandoning their humanitarian mission after the Mars attack, because the Romulans are indeed always scheming to destroy the Federation and were responsible for the attack.
Now, a better show would've shown some internal politics to the Romulans and possibly expanded on the difference between the Romulan Free State and the Tal Shiar (are they the same organization, for example? Using Star Trek Online lore doesn't count), but Picard got pulled down two separate rabbit holes and lost the plot completely. Anyways, the Romulans are revealed to be scheming, a Federation fleet shows up to show them that having a massive standing military is great because you're always going to need it to fend off the latest fate-of-the-universe existential threat, and we come away from this season with the lesson being "always have a gigantic military" and "don't trust the refugees".
As a side note, I can imagine a vastly better version of Picard that is just about Jean Luc leading the effort to protect and resettle the refugees during the Romulan supernova crisis. It would've taken everything he has learned, every relationship he has built up, to navigate this political hellscape, establish alliances, fend off rivals coming to strike the Romulans while they're down... it would be a perfect story for this series to explore.
Season 2 of course was about how Q wanted to mend Picard's unresolved issues with his mother, so he created a vast, doomed alternate universe, where thousands of years of suffering occurred, then were blinked out of existence. I think we're supposed to imagine this as not having any weight or not being "real", which, if that's true, makes it just not seem like a plausible threat to the Trek universe. About halfway through the season, we're introduced to Brent Spiner's character, who is a mustache-twirling bad guy that tries to kill an innocent woman so he can be famous in the far future, long after his death. When they defeat him, the driving action of the season is resolved.
Season 3 was about changelings justifiably wanting revenge for being tortured by Starfleet at Starfleet Intelligence's Federation-sanctioned black site. Picard and Beverly then try to execute their prisoner (as Raffi and Worf did earlier), which sorta makes you realize that, yeah, the Federation are pretty evil in this. All the other races should indeed fear them, as they do indeed keep a vault of all the worst, most illegal weapons they've ever encountered, presumably to refine them into weapons and deploy them upon their rivals. This was the stated purpose for the changelings they were experimenting on, and I had to image the purpose of rebuilding Data.
Anyways, Vadic is killed, the changelings are all killed, solving that war crime and making it so nothing is needed to be done to account for or address this great sin of the past. We are then introduced to a second villain in the final two episodes - the Borg Queen - who is at her weakest, is desperately lashing out in revenge for the second biological weapon the Federation has deployed on their enemies. I actually recall that Geordi and Data came up with this same idea back in the ep that introduced Hugh, and Picard decided it was immoral, and did not use it. But! This war crime is put before Picard this season, and he proceeds to blow up the Queen and all remaining Borg, and that is our solution to all problems this season. The moral is, "you have to kill everyone who is aware of your war crimes".
I dunno, this is all to say that I don't really blame most of the villains for wanting revenge on the Federation, and that's kind of a big problem, especially if you don't intend on having any kind of apology or consequences or restitution for these great sins of the past.
Raffi
Not entirely sure why this character was in the show. I think the actor did a great job, it was just, looking back on her arc, he was disappointed with Picard for S1 and S2 for his fairly insane decision to leave the Romulan refugees on Planet Sad Hooverville to turn himself in to the cops, get stripped of his rank, and get exiled to his vineyard.
This is never really resolved. Picard feels regret, but he feels regret that the Federation has being a Fox News-brained conservative organization that does not assist their allies or fight evil in the universe.
You'd think this tension would be the subject of an episode, or a story arc, but it's just sorta forgotten. Raffi is then moved into a strange, unearned romance with Seven, then into a similarly unearned maternal role with Elnor, then into real reckless action hero stuff for the rest of the S2 and S3. I guess she's supposed to be the take-no-names badass now? Just seems so random.
Picard
While Patrick Stewart does fantastic work as always, his character arc is just so strange. He has never, in TNG or the movies, been a character filled with regets. I think we actually see all of his existing regrets resolved or addressed within TNG and its movies, and he sure as hell doesn't seem like he's got any regrets in Nemesis. So when we see him in Picard just constantly overwhelmed with a lifetime of failures, well, it's very unearned.
The big regret he has is that he let the Romulan refugees down when they got dropped off a Planet Sad Hooverville. He then went to Starfleet HQ and turned himself in, and got stripped of his command, so he couldn't go back and help them. So that was a pretty big fuckup on his part, but, the show doesn't seem to present that as being his mistake. Instead, it presents his mistake as having, I dunno, gone against the will of the Federation? And that's why everyone's mad at him? Or in Raffi's case, she's mad at him for going against the will of the Federation and then leaving the job half-done and getting fired.
Beyond that, what does he have regrets about? There's the unresolved trauma of his mother dying, and then... I think that's it. There's the stuff with Beverly but he wasn't aware of that until the middle of S3.
So, looking into the interviews with Patrick Stewart, he wanted to do a version of this character that was different that we'd seen on TNG, and he wanted to show Picard wracked with doubt and regret.
And we do see that, it's just, they never come up with a good reason as to why he's feeling this, and without the reason, it really does not hit at all, beyond what the actor to push on charisma alone.
The takeaway here is, "please do not let your actors drive the story"
Data Dying 3 Times
Look nobody liked his death in Nemesis, and we all wish he got a better send-off, but every time they revive him, it just makes it hard to take seriously, because he keeps coming back.
He got "clones from the single neuron" in S1, existing on a hard drive, so Picard was able to visit his clone and give him a pretty nice sendoff. While a little shaky, it was nice to undo that bit from Nemesis.
But, he gets brought back again in S3, and they don't really come up with a reason/source for Data's mind this time around, and yeah, the S1 death just doesn't hit at all anymore now that he's back in S3.
I did like the Data/Lore merging though! And it's fun having Brent Spiner back all the same.
Terminator-ass Seven
I am really not sure where the writer's got this idea that Seven of Nine loves to be a take-no-names action hero badass who vaporizes people all the time. Her entire arc in Voyager is about her having BEEN a murderous, dispassionate killing machine for the Borg, and finding her humanity. It was a great story!
I truly cannot believe that this series saw that story arc, and decided the direction Seven should go was "more bitter" and "more gritty" and "more cold", because like, she started cold! That was her thing! And then she warmed up with her found family! It was great!
I don't think this writing team knew how to write someone who was both strong and not bitter or not tortured, and that hurt the character.
Sorta chalk this one up to the writers not knowing much about Seven of Nine as a character.
Shaw
Looooved this actor, loved the potential this great character had. He is a dick and a professional and I just loved watching him on-screen.
Clearly the show never wanted him to be anything more than a grumpy guy that deadnames Seven and gets killed off so she can become captain.
TNG Character Deaths
So, any time a non-core-cast TNG character shows up in Picard, they are killed off. This happens every time. It sucks!
Maddox: Died screaming when he lover, Jurati, shut off the machine that would've saved his life.Icheb: Famously tortured to death by having his eyeball torn out of his skull, and all borg parts peel from his body, in a gruesome cold open to an ep where Patrick Stewart puts on an eyepatch and does a goofy french accent for yuks.Hugh: Tortured to death by Narissa, a character the show forgot was the main villain. Hugh was forced to watch his fellow XBs first executed one by one before his eyes, then collectively vented into space, ensuring none of the work he struggled for all this time amounted to anything. Thankfully, Seven had an ADRed-in line after killing Narissa that said "this is for Hugh".Q: Died for reasons that were never explained, which made it hard to feel anything but confused when he's spending his last moments with Picard. But! Then he came back, and he was old there, so it wasn't him from before his Picard adventure, so I guess he didn't die? Alright, good story with that "I'm dying" thing in S2.Ro: Ultimately forced to suicide bomb her own ship after having it overrun with changelings. This was caused by the Federation allowing Section 31 to perform war crimes on the changelings during the war, and then never doing anything to address it, instead covering it up until it killed Ro and like half a million people during Picard.Shelby: Shot twice in her gut by her own bridge crew, confused and shocked.
There were pretty bad! Not sure why the show really wanted to do this.
Mass Death Events
Because Picard needs to have big end-of-the-world stakes each season, there's quite a number of high-casualty Wolf 359-type events in this show. It really puts it at odds with this "fun adventure" vibe they keep trying to go with when the tone whips between that and "spectacular numbers of people died here".
For yuks, I came up with some numbers for the mass-death events in this show:
Mars and the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards: 92,143 dead as the Romulans blow up their own rescue fleet and activate all androids to bomb (?) the planet and wipe out the shipyards.Cause: The Romulans have an ancient cult that discovered an ancient artifact called the Admonition that drove them to suicide if they ever touched it. They saw visions of synthetics, so they decided to kill all synthetics. As a result, apparently, the Romulans never use AI. The use of Maddox’s synths on Mars made them attack.In truth, the artifact was meant for artificial minds, and it described an ancient synthetic civilization 1 that could summon a Reaper from Mass Effect will come through a portal and wipe out all organic life. So, the Roms were kind of right! The Reapers get summoned but are then immediately sent away so it’s not a big deal.The Venting of the XB Borg Cube: 179,000 XBs died when their cube was intentionally opened to the cold void of space.So there was this odd sub-plot where a borg cube had assimilated a member of the Romulan cult that had seen the visions, and “the weight of their despair” caused the “matrix to collapse,” leading to an inert borg cube. The Romulans they started recovering the borg, now called XBs for Ex-Borg. This project was helmed by Hugh.Cause: Seven of Nine decided to sneak onto the borg cube, plug herself into the “Queen Chamber” where the queen would typically be, and this caused a bunch of fail-safes to kick in to stop the borg cube from ever re-activating. This killed like… everybody that show has introduced us to up until that point. They later flew this ship into a planet so I don’t actually know why they needed to cube at all.The Creation and Destruction of the Confederacy Universe: Trillions of lives are brought into being and then snuffed out as a disasterous fascistic timeline is created and then ended.Cause: Q makes a doomed alternate universe in order to get Picard to deal with the time his mom hung herself. I'm gonna take this out of the equation because Q might've already done this that one time he showed Picard an alternate universe where he didn't get stabbed in the heart.Changeling Infiltration: Hundreds killed through sabotage of the transporters and through replacement. I’m gonna say 200.Cause: During the Dominion War, Starfleet let Section 31 perform grisly torture experiments on the changelings in order to make “the perfect weapon” that would be “deployed onto the planets of our enemies”.Frontier Day Uprising: For the starbase, that’s 15,000 officers and 35,000 civilians. For the fleet, it’s EVERYONE ON EVERY SHIP ABOVE THE AGE OF 25.So that’s like, there’s 250ish ships in that big wide shot they have (“The entire fleet”), and each ship has like, roughly, 820 crew members on it (using the Sovereign-class as a baseline), so that’s 205,000 people, which I’ll cut in half, based on the fact that age doesn’t seem to really matter much in the Federation ships we’ve seen before, so let’s say that there are 102,500 over-25 Olds on these ships.That would put us at 152,500 total killed during this season finale.
92,143 + 179,000 + 200 + [I’m not counting the doomed universe] + 152,500 is…
GRAND TOTAL DEATH COUNT FOR PICARD: 423,843 DEAD DUE TO PICARD MISADVENTURE
Conclusion
I don't want to imply I didn't love seeing the core cast back in S3, that was wonderful, particularly Dorn and Frakes. I do really wish the show had started there, even if it wasn't what Patrick Stewart wanted.
Seeing the D back was also moving, and though it wasn't really used well (it was turned into the Millenium Falcon for a re-do of the Return of the Jedi scene), it's a cool-ass ship and it was great what they did to bring it back.
Riker, and everything his character did in this show, was a real delight for me, and reminded me how much I love that actor.
So, there were things here I enjoyed, I just feel that overall, this team should not be involved in any future Trek projects, hopefully. I think the best-case-scenario is, like Strange New Worlds, a Star Trek Legacy series could be handed off to a series of writers for episodic stories, with Goldsmith coming in to present an incredibly underwhelming finale episode from time to time. Obviously, we all pray Berman never has anything to do with any Trek series again.
My hope is that the success of Strange New Worlds will show to CBS that there is a big appetite for good, tight, well-told stories that carry an impact. I think if those lessons are taken from SWN's success, Legacy would be in a good place.