Pajaro Pete
(He/Himbo)
i note, with dismay, that one of the selling points attached to this was not "fixed joycon sticks"
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Let's brainstorm names for the Switch Pro
- Thread starter Positronic Brain
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But they want people to buy it, or why would they have made it? And switches are very ubiquitous at the moment. So who is this for?
I imagine this will replace the OG model at some point.
karzac
(he/him)
Honestly, this is exactly what I wanted. A better handheld experience, not too much more expensive than the base model. The seeming lack of 4K isn't important to me, since I don't have a 4k TV.
Purple
(She/Her)
A lot of people seemed to get it into their heads that they were going to announce an outright next generation system, and I'm still totally baffled by why anyone anywhere thought that.
When the Wii U came out Nintendo realized they had a dud on their hands. They realized they couldn't just dress up the Wii and add 1080P to it and call it a new system. Yes they innovated with the controller which argumentatively could have been sold as an accessory for any game console. The Wii U flopped and Nintendo and the world knew it. Now I have a Wii U and enjoyed it for a couple months before never touching it again. I also have every handheld and home system they have made in the last decade, each variation even. I love to Love Nintendo...but today I had to step into reality. After months of waiting and drooling over the rumors of a 4K switch, to play BOTW and soon Dread on a 4K display...today I was furious. Who asked for this variation of a Switch? Which focus group did they wander upon that said THIS was the Switch the fans wanted this holiday season? 4 years later and the "innovation" they came up with was an OLED display and a stand? A display the PS Vita had TEN years ago? And don't get me started the feature that is a LAN cable...I actually rewatched the entire announcement video in search a number and letter because I thought I missed it, there was NO WAY they would not have it...and 4K was nowhere to be seen.
How are they getting away with these gimmicks??
How are they getting away with these gimmicks??
How dare Nintendo not give me an incentive to spend $300!
ArugulaZ
Fearful asymmetry
I've already spent $450 on Switches; it's not like I need more.
I'm of mixed minds about this. I do hate having to buy upgrades and even worse, sidegrades of existing hardware to continue to enjoy a game company's output. It's pretty well known at this point what I think of the Sega CD and 32X. Having said that, I did come around on the New 3DS after some initial skepticism. It has very few exclusive games, and it improves the experience for games that already exist. A "New Switch" that improves overall performance without splintering the user base would have been the sweet spot for me.
A Switch with a larger OLED display and nothing else seems like such a minor step up as to be inconsequential, extraneous, and ultimately pointless. Yes, it wasn't Nintendo that was spreading all the rumors about a concentrated Super Switch that's so fun to play you'll explode, but after all that hype from semi-credible sources, and Nintendo's refusal to address or correct it, such a trivial enhancement is kind of a letdown.
I'm of mixed minds about this. I do hate having to buy upgrades and even worse, sidegrades of existing hardware to continue to enjoy a game company's output. It's pretty well known at this point what I think of the Sega CD and 32X. Having said that, I did come around on the New 3DS after some initial skepticism. It has very few exclusive games, and it improves the experience for games that already exist. A "New Switch" that improves overall performance without splintering the user base would have been the sweet spot for me.
A Switch with a larger OLED display and nothing else seems like such a minor step up as to be inconsequential, extraneous, and ultimately pointless. Yes, it wasn't Nintendo that was spreading all the rumors about a concentrated Super Switch that's so fun to play you'll explode, but after all that hype from semi-credible sources, and Nintendo's refusal to address or correct it, such a trivial enhancement is kind of a letdown.
Sprite
(He/Him/His)
Okay, this confuses me. They should respond to YouTubers and rumor sites by de-confirming features they’re not putting in a system they haven’t announced?
Far and away; the biggest letdown in the reveal was that nobody was playing it at a rooftop mimosa party.
Playing checkers with grandpa, while a delightful childhood memory, is the exact opposite of a rooftop mimosa party!
Playing checkers with grandpa, while a delightful childhood memory, is the exact opposite of a rooftop mimosa party!
ArugulaZ
Fearful asymmetry
I mean, they weren't just rumor sites, were they? Who was reporting on a possible Super Switch... Forbes? The Wall Street Journal? Reputable tech sites? We're not talking about run of the mill gossip merchants. Some of these outlets have a solid reputation, and people listen when they publish reports. They're not your friend's uncle who works for Nintendo.
karzac
(he/him)
It was Bloomberg that made the report saying that the new model would have a bigger OLED screen, which was dead on the money. They also said it would be able to output in 4K, which was obviously, wrong but I don't think I see anything about improved performance otherwise in the original report (on my phone so linking is a hassle, but Google "Bloomberg Switch Pro")
Seems like a lot of the imagined upgrades were just wishful thinking. I don't really understand why people are so disappointed in this when it seems of a piece with say, the DS Lite. Is it just that we're closer to what feels like the end of the Switch's life cycle?
Seems like a lot of the imagined upgrades were just wishful thinking. I don't really understand why people are so disappointed in this when it seems of a piece with say, the DS Lite. Is it just that we're closer to what feels like the end of the Switch's life cycle?
Thing is, these scoops rarely are somebody's uncle at Nintendo talking to a reporter, but somebody finding things like that Company X has ordered Y parts from Supplier Z and putting 2 + 2 together. The 4K thing might not be wrong - it could be that Nintendo is working in a 4K console that is not the OLED Switch. I wouldn't be surprised if the OLED screen used by this Not Pro Switch is also used by the Son of A Switch.
EDIT: Because I think I didn't make my point - people are mad because they think either Bloomberg or Nintendo were lying, which is silly. And we don't even know if Bloomberg was wrong.
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Sprite
(He/Him/His)
Okay, but I don’t see why it’s Nintendo’s job to correct those sites for getting bad intel about something Nintendo didn’t want them to know in the first place.
ArugulaZ
Fearful asymmetry
I'll be honest with you, I don't have a response to that. I just hear months of rumors about a new product in the Switch product line, and it's my first instinct to blame Nintendo for ending those rumors with a whimper instead of a bang. It's probably not fair or even logical, but when you're told over months, even years that something exciting is about to happen, and that something you were promised isn't exciting at all, well... that frustration and disappointment has got to go somewhere.
I'm actually still pretty bitter about this.
When the PlayStation 3 was a flop, people put effort into learning how to develop for the thing and its weird setup. And while it had some crappy ports here and there it still ended up being another viable gaming option, especially with its Japanese support.
When the Wii U was a flop, everybody went all in with the Nintendo bashing. Never mind that it had a launch line-up most consoles would've killed for (albeit a port-heavy one), or that the platform had a lot of great first party games over its brief life. No, it's time to beat the dead horse that is "Nintendo should die already" into a fine paste.
I don't deny the platform had problems (another user-unfriendly UI for games development was a big one) but I really think the system could've been successful if nigh every big gaming and tech website didn't have so much venom to sink into Nintendo post-Wii. You still see people getting excited for Wii U games that made the move to Switch, and the Switch's best-selling game is an enhanced port of the U's iteration of Mario Kart.
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
Like I alluded to in the general Nintendo thread, there is a whole cottage industry of influencers competing with each other for views who invariably jump on rumors without proper checking of their audiences expectations. Now that things didn’t turn out as expected, rather than acknowledge their role in setting expectations too high, many of them are instead riding the backlash train for more views.
IIRC, most of the more credible 4K Switch rumors postulated that the resolution target would be hit by fancy AI upscaling tech in the dock. Part of me wonders if Nintendo has decided to spin that part off into its own, stand-alone product (compatible with all models of Switch).
Hard to say. Could be (dumb) wishful thinking on my part.
Hard to say. Could be (dumb) wishful thinking on my part.
For me, who at this point is a pretty lapsed Nintendo person, I thought them doing 4k was not credible. I mean they would save that for a full separate product at this point. BUT this late in game, I would expect it to have more guts in it, run stuff faster, or a non minimal amount of onboard storage, or non shit joy cons. Like not MASSIVE EARTH SHATTERING CHANGE, but def quality of life upgrades. Now people saying that they are glad Nintendo is not putting out something they "have" to buy. I mean, you don't have to buy anything. But more importantly, the fact that you don't have to get OLED Switch is because they are bad at their job? I mean why even announce it as a thing? This isn't an upgrade in anyway, but a replacement product? It's like the 2nd and 3rd wave of Genesis. Except it costs more, not less. The fact it costs more indicates they wanted someone to want this. Like if my switch was in terrible condition (aside from the joy cons, ha) and my usage was high.. I'd get another switch. But screen already huge. Would I save 50$ and get OG model?
Really it's baffling. I'm not furious as some people are, I have no skin in the game here, but I do wonder who this is for. And if it's for the stragglers, why wouldn't you save the 50$? If you are not concerned about 4k, you probably don't care about OLED either.
Really it's baffling. I'm not furious as some people are, I have no skin in the game here, but I do wonder who this is for. And if it's for the stragglers, why wouldn't you save the 50$? If you are not concerned about 4k, you probably don't care about OLED either.
Purple
(She/Her)
Within this context, everything you listed is absolutely a rumor site.
"Financial news" publications in general tend to build hype around totally ephemeral rumors, because I mean if you actually know a company is going to do a thing they haven't announced yet and act on it/tell other people to act on it in the form of investing/selling investments, that is an actual crime.
IMO if a news site reports that something is definitely going to happen, and it doesn't happen, you should be mad (if u have 2 b mad) at the news site, not whoever they were speculating about
tl;dr: how can 4k be real if our eyes aren't real
tl;dr: how can 4k be real if our eyes aren't real
muteKi
Geno Cidecity
The best argument I've seen for this redesign: It's for Nintendo themselves. No doubt at least part of the reason the Switch was designed the way it was is that it has a lot of components that are (or perhaps at this point were) pretty stock hardware for mobile phones and could be sourced pretty cheaply. OLEDs are becoming significantly cheaper to manufacture, to the point where I would not imagine any brand would put an LCD on their flagship device. I would not rule out the possibility that the screen on this new Switch may actually be cheaper to manufacture than the old Switch screen at this point, partly because OLEDs are seeing greater use in general, and also because the actual process of manufacture can be cheaper.
I know this is kind of a bit here, but just like console generations have seen diminishing graphical returns since the 6th gen, going from 720 to 1080 on its own is already a barely significant difference for most of us, and the difference between 1080 and 4K is even harder to discern. Add to that how much money you need to spend to get a 4K tv and a new system, and for most people it's just not going to be that big a sell on its own.
For Sony and Microsoft, a large enough portion of their user base does care about 4K to make it viable to base an upgraded version of a current system around that. Nintendo does not target that subset of the gaming population, and never has. However, portable gaming has been a huge part of their identity for over three decades now, so addressing that display makes sense. I can definitely see being mystified by why that's the only change, since, as someone mentioned above, they also made some changes to the insides of the New 3DS, but expecting 4K from them was a bit pie in the sky for several reasons.
Yeah this is what I think too. But I do think it should either be same cost as base model, or base model gets repriced lower.
This. A number of Switch games were designed more with the TV more in mind than the handheld mode (especially in terms of font size), so if a screen that's bigger and easier to see helps out with that even just a little bit it's definitely a plus.
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
One thought I had is this could be Nintendo testing the waters with OLED screen costs/production capacity on a relatively lower risk hardware SKU before going all out with it on a next gen Switch a year or two from now.