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"It feels different this time..." - The new Doctor Who Thread

Vaeran

perfect world
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Your link wants fixing, Kazin.

Very surprising article, though! I'd have bet my house that a panicked BBC had backed a dump truck full of money up to RTD's house and begged him to come back and fix Chibnall's mess.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
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Fixed, thanks Vaeran. That's what I get for posting on mobile.

Same here! It always seemed like a corrective measure to me. I wonder what they were going to do before that happened, or if the rumors the show was just going to be cancelled (or "rested" like in 1989) were somewhat true. I guess we'll find out someday...
 

ThornGhost

lofi posts to relax/study to
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Surely a major media company wouldn't make up a cute positive story rather than acknowledge a failure. Surely!
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
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Especially not one headed by someone who is more than happy to lie to promote the show! lol

Yeah, I know. It's a weird spin on it, either way.
 

Vaeran

perfect world
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David Tennant's Doctor Who Regeneration Changed Because Russell T Davies Didn't Want to Give Bigots Ammo

“I was very certain that I didn’t want David to appear in Jodie’s costume. I think the notion of men dressing in ‘women’s clothes’, the notion of drag, is very delicate. I’m a huge fan of that culture and the dignity of that, it’s truly a valuable thing, but it has to be done with immense thought and respect,” Davies—an openly and unabashedly queer man—told DWM. “With respect to Jodie and her Doctor, I think it can look like mockery when a straight man wears her clothes. To put a great big six-foot Scotsman into them looks like we’re taking the mickey.”

This is cowardly horseshit that's beneath RTD, tbh. Didn't want to upset the transphobes? Fuck off. Thirteen's outfit wasn't even particularly femme. It would have looked -- and been -- fine.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
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Sacha Dhawan looked fine in it in the exact same episode, so I don't know what he's on about.
 

Vaeran

perfect world
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I've had a hankering for some classic Who lately, so I've begun rewatching The Invasion as my first stop, with plans to continue onward with some serials I haven't seen once I'm done with this. One thing that really strikes me as I watch is the casual physical intimacy that Troughton's Doctor and Jamie share. I don't mean that in a sexual sense, and I'm not about to start writing slash fiction, but they do have their hands on each other in just about every scene. They'll cling to each other or push/pull the other along when there's danger, and even in scenes of casual conversation you'll often find Jamie's hand lingering on the Doctor's shoulder or arm. And it all comes off as very natural, like they're just that comfortable with each other. It's something you wouldn't really see between two male actors anymore without people making a big deal out of it, and it's just... nice.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
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I love Troughton and Hines. Great double act. You're right about the physical intimacy, too - they're clearly very close. Makes The War Games all the more affecting, despite the brevity of their final scenes. Good ol' James Robert McCrimmon.
 

Vaeran

perfect world
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Finished The Invasion tonight. Fun action romp, but it really didn't need to be eight motherloving episodes long.

- I mentioned in my last post that I'm not shipping the Doctor and Jamie, but I absolutely ship Isobel/Zoe. Their chemistry comes across even in the animated reconstruction of episode one. Speaking of Zoe, her Missile Command speedrun (working out the trajectories to take out all the incoming Cyber ships with as few missiles as possible in 30 seconds) was a delight. It's a rare treat to see classic-era companions get to do something proactive and useful, entirely without the Doctor's assistance.

- Classic DW background music ranges from really catchy to unpleasant plinky-plonk synthesizer noise, but I appreciated the moody themes that accompanied sneaking around at International Electromatics. This piece popped up a number of times and added to the atmosphere.

- Why is the Doctor convinced that the Cybermen in orbit need the assistance of a terrestrial "radio control beam" to hit THE EARTH with what appears to be a one-and-done planet killer bomb?

- Tobias Vaughn is a delicious Bond-style villain, though his continued usefulness to the Cybermen is highly questionable. I have to imagine the discussion on their (unseen) end re: his repeated demands tended toward the "listen, we're going to delete this nitwit as soon as we get boots on the ground, so just keep him happy for now" side of things.

- The series hadn't yet settled on gold as the Cybermen's (goofy) weakness, and if we absolutely must have an anti-Cyber weapon then I prefer The Invasion's idea of a machine which induces emotions in a race that has forgotten how to handle them.

- As always I love a good UNIT story, as I think the existence of an organization that deals with Weird Space Shit independently of whatever the Doctor happens to be doing that week makes the world feel larger and richer in storytelling possibilities, and the Brigadier is always a welcome sight on my screen. Think I'll keep rolling right into the Pertwee era.

According to Frazer Hines in an interview on the audio CD of The Invasion, Sally Faulkner's skirt kept getting blown up around her neck whilst climbing up the rope ladder to the helicopter. To avoid the same thing happening to his kilt, he remembered reading somewhere that The Queen had lead weights sewn into the hem of her skirt to stop this from happening to her. It so happened that Frazer's dresser was a keen fisherman, who sewed some lead weights into his kilt.

Show a little leg, you coward! I never get to have any fun.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
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Finished The Invasion tonight. Fun action romp, but it really didn't need to be eight motherloving episodes long.

- I mentioned in my last post that I'm not shipping the Doctor and Jamie, but I absolutely ship Isobel/Zoe. Their chemistry comes across even in the animated reconstruction of episode one. Speaking of Zoe, her Missile Command speedrun (working out the trajectories to take out all the incoming Cyber ships with as few missiles as possible in 30 seconds) was a delight. It's a rare treat to see classic-era companions get to do something proactive and useful, entirely without the Doctor's assistance.

Zoe is great for that - one of the best scenes in the entirety of the classic series involves her and the Doctor in The Krotons (not a great story overall, but a good one, at least) where she bests the Doctor in a test and brags a bit, and the Doctor gets flustered and Troughton and Padbury act the hell out of the scene. I adore it.

- Classic DW background music ranges from really catchy to unpleasant plinky-plonk synthesizer noise, but I appreciated the moody themes that accompanied sneaking around at International Electromatics. This piece popped up a number of times and added to the atmosphere.

The 60s generally had pretty good soundtracks - either stock music from the BBC library or specially written stuff, but it was before the plinky-plonk synth that really came into heavy use in the 70s. While I love the 70s, I think the music in the show in that decade is absolutely awful, in particular the Silurians which is actively grating. It doesn't help that in Pertwee's first serial, there's a 15 second clip of fucking Oh Well part 1 from Fleetwood Mac, which always depresses me because imagine if there wasn't stupid music licensing, and we could have era appropriate 70s rock in the show instead of plinky plonk nonsense? Imagine watching Pertwee run around in those outfits to Zeppelin or something. It'd have been awesome haha

- Tobias Vaughn is a delicious Bond-style villain, though his continued usefulness to the Cybermen is highly questionable. I have to imagine the discussion on their (unseen) end re: his repeated demands tended toward the "listen, we're going to delete this nitwit as soon as we get boots on the ground, so just keep him happy for now" side of things.

Vaughn is why I watch The Invasion, when I do. Absolutely lovely performance. He kind of gets written out in an anticlimactic way, but he and Troughton are a delight to watch together.

- The series hadn't yet settled on gold as the Cybermen's (goofy) weakness, and if we absolutely must have an anti-Cyber weapon then I prefer The Invasion's idea of a machine which induces emotions in a race that has forgotten how to handle them.

Yep. I lament the show abandoning stuff like this for dumb crap like weaknesses to gold.

- As always I love a good UNIT story, as I think the existence of an organization that deals with Weird Space Shit independently of whatever the Doctor happens to be doing that week makes the world feel larger and richer in storytelling possibilities, and the Brigadier is always a welcome sight on my screen. Think I'll keep rolling right into the Pertwee era.

The Pertwee era has its charms, and while it's my least favorite classic era of the show, there are some stone cold classics in there. I've been watching The Three Doctors again lately, having a great time, and I adore all of Pertwee's first season, even if it's very strange to call that season "Doctor Who" (you'll see what I mean).

Show a little leg, you coward! I never get to have any fun.

Somewhat related - my wife likes the show "Outlander," and the author of the original books named the main character "Jamie" after our be-kilted young man, who she found quite fetching in his kilt. That show is nothing like Doctor Who, of course, but I thought it was a fun fact lol
 

Vaeran

perfect world
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Zoe is great for that - one of the best scenes in the entirety of the classic series involves her and the Doctor in The Krotons (not a great story overall, but a good one, at least) where she bests the Doctor in a test and brags a bit, and the Doctor gets flustered and Troughton and Padbury act the hell out of the scene. I adore it.

Oh, I'll definitely have to check out The Krotons then (I always want to call them The Croutons), because that sounds great.

The Pertwee era has its charms, and while it's my least favorite classic era of the show, there are some stone cold classics in there. I've been watching The Three Doctors again lately, having a great time, and I adore all of Pertwee's first season, even if it's very strange to call that season "Doctor Who" (you'll see what I mean).

I just wanted to clarify that I have seen quite a bit of the classic series already, so I'm familiar with what a near-total reboot of the show's core concept the Pertwee era was at first. (My problem is that I skipped around and watched most of the serials that people regard as legendary classics first, and now I'm sort of left with the B-tier and below stories. I really should just sit down and watch the whole thing through in order as you did, but I don't think I have the patience/attention span for that.)

Somewhat related - my wife likes the show "Outlander," and the author of the original books named the main character "Jamie" after our be-kilted young man, who she found quite fetching in his kilt. That show is nothing like Doctor Who, of course, but I thought it was a fun fact lol

This delights me. :3c
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
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Oh, I'll definitely have to check out The Krotons then (I always want to call them The Croutons), because that sounds great.

Like any scene with great characterization in the classic series, it's slight, but I still like it. It is a decent story overall, though. Blessedly short, too, half the length of The Invasion (though I like The Invasion more, still).

I just wanted to clarify that I have seen quite a bit of the classic series already, so I'm familiar with what a near-total reboot of the show's core concept the Pertwee era was at first.

Yeah - even knowing this, the 7th season sticks out. You almost forget it's Doctor Who - the TARDIS barely appears, there's no time travel, and it's even more earthbound than the later Pertwee seasons. I still love it, though.

(My problem is that I skipped around and watched most of the serials that people regard as legendary classics first, and now I'm sort of left with the B-tier and below stories. I really should just sit down and watch the whole thing through in order as you did, but I don't think I have the patience/attention span for that.)

I sincerely don't recommend it lol. I had a good time with it, but it's a damn slog sometimes. Watch what you feel like when you feel like, you'll have a much better time with the show. There's also quite a bit of garbage to sift through, and it tends to come in big batches (large swathes of the Pertwee era, most of the back half of the Tom Baker era, large chunks of Colin Baker, etc).

This delights me. :3c

I figured it would! :)
 
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