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Pale Fire - September 2024 Book Club Reading

Falselogic

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Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov, written in 1962, is considered an early example of 'metafiction.' The novel is presented as a 999-line poem, written by John Shade, the poem is accompanied by a forward, commentary, and index written by Charles Kinbote. Both the poet and the commentator are fictional. The story is of novel is constructed by the reader from the text and subtext of the poem and the commentary. With John and Charles being the protagonists who know and interact with each other outside the text.
 

Violentvixen

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Picked this up but am a bit behind on books for other book clubs I'm in so probably not starting it until mid-month.
 

Lokii

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Excited to be starting this one.

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lol
 

Lokii

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Iambic pentameter with a straightforward AABB rhyme scheme and no formal length to the stanzas is a pretty basic mode for a poem so venerated as this one is in the forward--surely a clue--but I there's some beautiful lines here for sure.

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Falselogic

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If I may ask, how are you reading this @Lokii ? I started going back and forth between the poem and the footnotes but quickly realized the two are only very, very tangentially related and seem to diverge further as I go on. I am tempted to just read the footnotes first and then the poem.

Curious how others are approaching the text.

I am still building out my post on why I nominated this one. I promise it will get posted before the end of the month. I am aiming for sooner!
 

lincolnic

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There's one hold ahead of me at the library, and I'm currently in the middle of another dense book, so I'm expecting to start this maybe by the end of next week.
 

Lokii

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Finished the poem. I'm no expert at evaluating poetry, but this one doesn't seem very good. There's bright spots for sure, but the many forced rhymes, sing-song cadence, "just-thinkin-out-loud" voice, and the generally low and self-obsessed subject matter don't coalesce as the important epic heralded by the forward. Which of course is the point. Eager to see what story develops from all this in the commentary. Suspect that Kinbote might be the real author. Or maybe not. But the real question is did he murder Shade? The poem is only really effective because the irony in Shade penning that tomorrow will be another mundane day the evening before his death, which in turn adds potency to his grand declaration that the only true afterlife is found in poetry. Did Kinbote kill him to make the poem better?
 

Lokii

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Jesus christ this guy.

I was not aware, given the book's reputation, that its actually a comedy.
 

Falselogic

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I finished the poem last night. It does have its moments. The parts in Canto 2 about worrying about your daughter, and some of the lines in Canto 3 and 4 also stood out. It really does fall apart near the end.

I appreciated these lines from the end of Canto 2:

"Out of of his lakeside shack A watchman, Father Time, all gray and bent, Emerged with his uneasy dog and went Along the reedy bank. He came too late."

and these from Canto 3:

"And I'll turn from eternity unless the melancholy and the tenderness of mortal life; the passion and the pain; the claret taillight of that dwindling plane off Hesperus; your gesture of dismay on running out of cigarettes; the way you smile at dogs; the trailer of silver slime snails leave on flagstones; this good ink, this rhyme, this index card, this rubber band which always forms, when dropped, an ampersand, are found in Heaven by newlydead stored in its strongholds through the years."

I had tried to read the book and the commentary concurrently with each other. But the commentary started very disconnected from the lines and only seemed to become more and more remote from the poem itself. The poem serving merely as a jumping off point for Kinbote to tell his own, confused, story.
 

Violentvixen

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Started this last night but I was a bit tired and it's clearly going to need a bit more brainpower from me and won't be a book that I go through on short weeknight spurts. This is fine and I'm intrigued.
 
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