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I want to talk about Asimov

FelixSH

(He/Him)
In TT 2.0, I made a thread about the author, because I was just reading through all his Foundation / Robots stuff, which he later merged into a single Universe, as the Foundation Cycle. Well, I'm still reading his stuff, mainly the short stories from time to time between bigger books, but I also have a few novels left. This is way too late, but I want to write a bit about each short story, just so I have something to look at. And, ideally, to have someone to talk to about these stories.

At the moment, I'm slowly (like in the time frame of over a year) making my way through the book The Early Asimov, Volume 1. As the title implies, it contains his very early works, stuff I have never seen anywhere else. And, granted, it shows. It is obvious, that he still had to get into his own, but that doesn't mean that the stories are without value. There have been a few good in there. It's just, he is trying to be humorous, and that is just not really his strength. But he also knows this - a nice thing is that there is, after each story, a short bit from Asimov, where he talks about the history of said story, if he sold it, and what he likes or dislikes about it. Generally, musings.

Spoilers, of course. Which might be bad, considering that these are short stories. I'll just put the stuff in spoiler tags.

Half-Breeds on Venus
This is an interesting case, of him writing his first sequel to another short story (Half-Breeds, have read that forever ago, don't remember it much). It's about them settling on Venus, because they are disliked on Earth. After settling in, new settlers from Earth, humans, appear, so the half-breeds scare them away. There are also sentient, friendly creatures who can communicate telepathically, and a lame romance.

Really just a typical, early story. Nice ideas, but not particularly great or interesting, and the romance is awful.


The Imaginary
Asimovs first time, where he thinks about what later would become Psychohistory - the use of mathematics in psychology. Aside from that, this story was one of the weakest I have ever read from him. The title refers to imaginary numbers, and I can't even decide, if this was a debated thing in Mathematics at the time, or if it is just supposed to be weird in the context of psychology, because no one knows what it means. Some scientist uses it, to solve some equation about a squid, about its behaviour, I guess. They apply their knowledge, weird stuff happens that might destroy the universe, and then a superpsychologist solves everything, somehow. I honestly couldn't follow, maybe because I was bored.

Said superpsychologist also comes back from vacation (or maybe a long study trip), and finds his wife to be nice, instead of the cliched, complaining housewife. Unfortunately, Asimov still often included gender stereotypes, especially with women. Which he didn't include, in general, because he didn't understand them, not knowing many. Because, you know, women are basically a different species, or something.

He did get better about this, though. It's just typical, early sci-fi.

Oh, and this story is another sequel, about an intergalactic Empire. I don't remember the first story, but it being a sequel adds nothing to this story.


I promise, I'm not trying to bash Asimov here, I love his stuff and want to read as much from him as possible. But with the amount he wrote, there is bound to be a few clunckers, especially this early.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
At this point I've only read the original Foundation. It was up my alley and I'd like to read more of that and the Robots series.
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Do you mean the Foundation Trilogy, or just the first of the three books? In case you don't know, the Mule only appears in the second part of the trilogy. If you haven't read the whole thing, but enjoyed the first one, the other two parts are highly recommended.

With regards to robots, these are mainly short stories, and also very good. "The Complete Robot" should contain all the robot stories. It includes the stories with Susan Calvin, a robo-psychologist (basically, these deal with the Three Laws of Robotics, and about the fringe cases of them, very cool) and with Powell and Donovan (similar stories, they have to deal with robot prototypes). Plus a ton of other robot stories. Aside from that, there are the books "Robot Dreams" and "Robot Visions", which include different robot stories.

Aside from that, there are "Caves of Steel" and "The Naked Sun", two detective novels, that also deal with robots - an Earth, that doesn't want them, and space colonists, who use them extensively, and the friction between the two planets.

You can choose from these books, they all include good stuff and are among Asimovs best stuff.
 

conchobhar

What's Shenmue?
Asimov is a cultural blindspot for me; for whatever reason, I never got around to reading his stuff during my obsessive sci-fi years (aka my teens). But recently I decided to rectify that, and last Christmas I got The Complete Robot as my introduction to him. I haven't actually cracked it open yet, but I'm hoping to get to it… um, sooner than later.
 

ArugulaZ

Fearful asymmetry
I honestly don't read as much as I should, but I've been consistently happy with the work of Isaac Asimov. Most of his stories are brief and don't overstay their welcome, yet manage to offer a compelling narrative in spite of their length. There was one short story about a computer that controlled all of the automated systems in the world and decided to become humanity's overlord, whether we liked it or not. Finally, some rebels managed to break into the system's core to shut it down, but the machine offered one last argument for the saboteurs... "do you really WANT to destroy me, and plunge this world into chaos? I am in control of everything, and without me, all of your modern conveniences are gone. You'll have your independence, but you'll be sent back to the Stone Age."

The rebels destroyed the machine anyway, but that harsh reality it presented made it a little harder to pull the plug.
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Asimov is a cultural blindspot for me; for whatever reason, I never got around to reading his stuff during my obsessive sci-fi years (aka my teens). But recently I decided to rectify that, and last Christmas I got The Complete Robot as my introduction to him. I haven't actually cracked it open yet, but I'm hoping to get to it… um, sooner than later.
If it helps, these are short stories, you don't need to read the whole book in one sitting. You can just, whenever you have an hour or so to kill, try one of the stories.
Just a suggestion, it makes me excited when people are going to read Asimov. Take all the time you want.

I honestly don't read as much as I should, but I've been consistently happy with the work of Isaac Asimov. Most of his stories are brief and don't overstay their welcome, yet manage to offer a compelling narrative in spite of their length. There was one short story about a computer that controlled all of the automated systems in the world and decided to become humanity's overlord, whether we liked it or not. Finally, some rebels managed to break into the system's core to shut it down, but the machine offered one last argument for the saboteurs... "do you really WANT to destroy me, and plunge this world into chaos? I am in control of everything, and without me, all of your modern conveniences are gone. You'll have your independence, but you'll be sent back to the Stone Age."

The rebels destroyed the machine anyway, but that harsh reality it presented made it a little harder to pull the plug.
Yeah, love that story. Asimov generally viewed machines as a positive thing that can help us, to make a counterpoint to the prevalent-at-the-time idea that there will be a machine uprising ala Terminator, and they will all kill us. But he still looked at robots and computers as something that, despite them not wanting to hurt us, they might still do, with the best intentions. One short story is about machines taking over more and more complex work, and people just feeling left behind, because the work they actually like to do (even high level stuff like writing scientific papers) might be taken away from them.
 
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