"It feels different this time..." - The new Doctor Who Thread

Kazin · Dec 18, 2023

I don't like that quote because the Doctor is saying it about himself. It should have been delivered by someone else. It scans as boasting to me, and even though I know that's not Moffat's intent, it falls flat. And the whole simulation thing... there was just no stakes. At the end, it's basically "oh, that had no stakes at all, did it? I just wasted 45 minutes for a one sentence good idea (a simulation of the Doctor would see through it and bring it down)."

I really don't like Extremis lol

Phantoon · Dec 18, 2023

Actually, Nardole says that. The Doctor only repeats one line later on.

The simulation is something the Monks are running to work out how to invade. The whole point is that the Monks think they have seen all possibilities and they can't fail. But they haven't, and never will, because the Doctor is a factor in the equation. The Doctor's simulation e-mails the actual Doctor to warn him, and stop the real thing. For me, it's the most Doctory thing possible. The image of the Doctor is the Doctor, just as the image of an Angel is an Angel.

Extremis raises interesting questions of the nature of goodness. If you do good, and others thank you for it, isn't that just a better disguised selfishness? If acting well gives you the warm and fuzzies, isn't that egotism? Only when there's no hope, only when there's no point, and especially nobody there to appreciate it, isn't that genuine virtue? And of course it's the only way a certain someone can pay it off later and redeem their bloody history.

Kazin · Dec 18, 2023

I could have sworn the Doctor said it.

In any case, the episode just does nothing for me. I'm not particularly interested in the nature of goodness - it is good to do good things for others, I don't really care the motivations someone has for doing it. And a sim Doctor helping real Doctor out is several layers removed from that philosophical argument, at least to me, anyway. The whole episode fell flat for me as a result.

Vaeran · Dec 18, 2023

I have to agree, Kazin. I only saw the episodes once, but the entire Monks three-parter felt like a long road to nowhere, and very little of it stuck with me afterwards. Maybe I'll feel differently on a rewatch, but I doubt it.

Kazin · Dec 18, 2023

I rewatched it during my big DW rewatch a few years back, and knowing where that three parter eventually goes does no favors for Extremis. I liked it even less on rewatch.

Phantoon · Dec 18, 2023

The Monks being a damp squib was unfortunate. It was potentially brilliant but Steven Moffatt's mum died while it was being worked on and they blew the execution as a result. Regardless, I still love Extremis and recalled liking The Pyramid At The End Of The World.

Vaeran · Dec 19, 2023

Speaking of Monks, I watched The Time Meddler. And now I'm going to talk about it! And there's nothing anyone can do to stop me!!

Once again the show plays with its own formula: we think we're in another historical, but increasingly anachronous elements begin to show up and make it clear something else entirely is going on. For the first time in the series the Doctor meets another of his own kind, and interestingly the Monk isn't quite an outright villain. He's willing to kill people and change history, yes, but he claims it's in the name of improving the world (and presumably his own amusement.) Obviously he doesn't have the right to decide such things, but it's not quite as mustache-twirly as the Master would later be. I'm surprised he never came back for a rematch. At least in the TV series. I'm sure Big Finish has me covered there.

- Steven's a bit of a loose unit, isn't he? He sees some random guy pick something up (the Monk's wristwatch) and just attacks him without even knowing what it is or why he should want it. But his skepticism about the TARDIS' capabilities is fun; it'd be hilarious if he spent his entire time with the Doctor refusing to believe that there's any actual time traveling going on. (I also don't understand how he could have gotten onboard the TARDIS at the end of the last story and through the console room without anyone seeing him.)

- DOCTOR: That is the dematerializing control, that over yonder is the horizontal hold, up there is the scanner, those are the doors, and that is a chair with a panda on it. Sheer poetry, dear boy. Now please stop bothering me.

- I continue to be startled at how dark the show is willing to get, and was allowed to get; here it is heavily implied that Edith was (cw) raped by the Vikings in their attack on the village, in a scene that the adults watching will understand but kids can just assume she got a knock on the head or something. I honestly don't know how I feel about it. It's stark and savage and real, but I don't think I necessarily want such things in my Doctor Who.

- The Monk's careful step-by-step checklist for his master plan is just adorable.

- The end of episode three, where Vicki and Steven climb into the sarcophagus and emerge into the interior of a TARDIS, is an absolutely cracking reveal and has got to be one of the show's all-time best cliffhangers.

- The Doctor's sabotage of the Monk's TARDIS is a delight. I thought he was just going to dematerialize it to a random destination, but this was much funnier.

- However... it's all a little underwhelming, isn't it? Sparks should be flying between the Doctor and the Monk, and it's true that they get some good scenes together... but the story feels a bit small for what should be a momentous and game-changing chapter in the show.

Here's a thought: what if they had combined this story's concept (meddling with the established course of history for funsies) with The Chase's structure (a breakneck dash through many times and locales), and had the TARDIS crew pursuing the Monk through time, trying to prevent him from bending it to his own whims, or undoing damage he's already done? I think it could have been suitably epic. Well, that's easy for me to say from my armchair, sixty years later. And don't get me wrong, it's a huge step up from the doldrums of The Chase.

Vaeran · Dec 19, 2023

And now, the official power rankings of Season 2!

9. The Chase

An almost entirely brainless runaround. Barbara and Ian deserved a better swan song. One star, but a "high" one star, nearly a two, on the strength of episode 6 alone.

8. The Web Planet

Admirably ambitious design with very clumsy execution. Silly and slow, but not entirely without merit. Wins the "You Tried!" Award.

7. The Space Museum

It's been suggested by some that this story is "boring on purpose" as an example of the show parodying itself, but if that's true (and I don't believe it is) then it's a joke stretched too thin. The TARDIS crew being aware of their fate and having to work to prevent it is a clever twist.

6. Planet of Giants

Inoffensive fluff. Shrinking your characters is a well-worn science fiction trope, but it makes for a refreshing change of pace as a DW premise. I was surprised at some of what they were able to pull off in terms of effects.

5. The Romans

Some of the comedy works here and some of it really doesn't. It's difficult to lean into the lightheartedness at times when the story keeps cutting back to Ian and Barbara getting put through the wringer. Nero is very broad but you love to hate him.

4. The Time Meddler

A fun story with an unusual and interesting villain, but a little small in scale for the first encounter with another Time Lord. There's a lot to like here, but I couldn't help but feel like it should have been more somehow. A low four. (I'm willing to accept that I'm just wrong about this one.)

3. The Rescue

A brisk introduction to a fun new companion that doesn't outstay its welcome, although we don't get to see what a delight Vicki really is until later. Love the Doctor's confrontation with Koquillion at the end.

2. The Dalek Invasion of Earth

The Daleks' plan may be utter nonsense, but the effects of their occupation of Earth are bleak and chilling. Everybody gets something to do in this story, and we are treated to some truly striking visuals. Susan was tragically underserved by the writing in most stories but gets a lovely sendoff here.

1. The Crusade

Absolutely smashing historical, with great costumes and sets. Fantastic guest cast; Jean Marsh is spellbinding as Princess Joanna. The Doctor shines here, Barbara's subplot is startlingly raw, and Ian gets knighted. Left me wanting more. (This should have gotten six episodes and The Web Planet four.)

And now, sadly, I'm out of 60's Who to watch. I wish they'd hurry up and put out more Hartnell or Troughton seasons on blu ray. Oh well. Time to hop into the TARDIS and leap forward to Season 8!

Phantoon · Dec 19, 2023

Of course, the Monk isn't a Time Lord, because the Doctor wasn't one either. So all of the mythic heft can't be there.

Kazin · Dec 19, 2023

My goodness do I enjoy writeups about classic Who, they are such a balm to my neverending bitchfests in this thread lol

So much to say about this one! First about The Time Meddler in particular:

Big Finish sure does have you covered for Meddling Monk appearances lol. I think the Meddling Monk should have been someone Moffat brought back - he'd have handled your exact outline for a Monk story very well, making it both timey-wimey but fun. At least, I think so, anyway. The Monks he did eventually put in the show sucked, at least lol

That line you quoted is the First Doctor's best line, imo. It's one of the better lines in the entire show, frankly, and Hartnell nails it. It feels like a nuWho line travelled back in time to the 60s. Absolutely delightful. Sheer poetry, one may say.

Part of the reason The Time Meddler feels small - and it does, I agree with you on that - is because "Time Lord" and the Doctor's backstory is completely nonexistent at this point (as Phantoon is getting at). I don't think anyone making the show, from the writers to the actors, ever envisioned a time when anyone would care all that much about the Doctor's backstory (despite the show literally being called "Doctor Who"). The Time Meddler feels like they brought in one of the Doctor's own people strictly for that episode 3 cliffhanger (which is, admittedly, brilliant, as you say). It feels like they never dreamed bigger than that at this point. Later stories would expand on some things laid down here, but that's all quite a ways in the future. The weight of 58 years containing tons of backstory for the Doctor has a negative effect on this story, good as it is. It's hard for us to see it straight, with our knowledge of Gallifrey and regeneration and other Time Lords and seeing a bunch of other TARDISs etc etc etc. I still like The Time Meddler, but don't go back to it often.

Re: rankings, I think for season 2, mine would go like this:

9. The Chase
8. The Web Planet
7. Planet of Giants
6. The Space Museum
5. The Romans
4. The Dalek Invasion of Earth
3. The Time Meddler
2. The Crusade
1. The Rescue

Not all that different from yours, for the most part, although I find myself absolutely charmed by the Rescue mainly for the characterization and briskness of that story. The Crusade comes close, though. I'm sure I'd put it at #1 if we could see all of it. The Dalek Invasion of Earth drags a bit for me in the middle, and while Susan's very last scene is nice, I wish it didn't evolve her getting married off like so many future companions. The Chase is just godawful, though. And while El Sandifer's essay about it is entertaining to read, I don't buy it at all, even with her hedges that she is probably reading into the story intent that was not there in any way, to give you an example of an (admittedly rare) time I disagree with Sandifer lol.

Season 8 is going to be wild to revisit. I don't think about it that often, despite it ranking high in fandom's estimation, as far as I can remember. Parts of it are good, but it's no season 7, dammit lol

Vaeran · Dec 19, 2023

Re: The Time Meddler and Time Lords not being a thing yet, yeah, you're both right. Sometimes it's a little hard to forget what I'm not supposed to know and view the show through the eyes of a fan at the time rather than someone looking back 60 years later.

Phantoon · Dec 19, 2023

Kazin said:
That line you quoted is the First Doctor's best line, imo. It's one of the better lines in the entire show, frankly, and Hartnell nails it.

Interesting that "horizontal hold" is a TV control of the time...

FelixSH · Dec 23, 2023

So, how does Dr. Who work? I know that there is a season that was continuing the series after long dormancy (I think at least). It starts with that episode where mannequins start moving. Does every season have a new Doctor? I know that there are multiple.

Mainly, can I start anywhere? The mentioned episode didn't work for me. To my shame, I think it just looks too low-budget for me. Don't like it, but that seems to be the case. Anyway, I'm still very interested in the series. Can I start at any season? Can I start in any single episode, or is there continuity in some seasons? And what other season might be a good start?

Johnny Unusual · Dec 23, 2023

FelixSH said:
So, how does Dr. Who work? I know that there is a season that was continuing the series after long dormancy (I think at least). It starts with that episode where mannequins start moving. Does every season have a new Doctor? I know that there are multiple.

The Doctor changes whenever the actor is ready to leave (or in a rare case or two, more sadly, is relieved of duty). Some Doctors last longer than others. Tom Baker was on for 7 seasons (or as they are called in the UK, series). Christopher Eccleston (from the episode you mentioned) was just in one. In the narrative of the stories, the character and all of his people can cheat death from a near death state by transforming into a person who is essentially a different persona (so the death is both treated with wait but the show still gets to have a new lead). Usually the personality stands in a level of contrast to the previous. The ninth Doctor is fun but has an intensity rare in the character, the tenth Doctor is a bit of a romantic with a dark, sad side (the "lonely god"), while the eleventh is more manic, the twelfth is a bit more cynical, the thirteenth is values teamwork and collaboration (at least in the one season I saw).

FelixSH said:
Mainly, can I start anywhere? The mentioned episode didn't work for me. To my shame, I think it just looks too low-budget for me. Don't like it, but that seems to be the case. Anyway, I'm still very interested in the series. Can I start at any season? Can I start in any single episode, or is there continuity in some seasons? And what other season might be a good start?

The special coming out soon is intended to be something of a soft reboot (which is to say all the continuity is in play but it's mostly intended to be new-viewer friendly). Mostly, each new Doctor's first episode is, on some level, intended to be at least a bit new viewer friendly (with varying degrees of success). Yeah, Rose, that episode, you watched, is a bit rough. The show is famous for a certain level of cheapness (though it sounds like the Disney bucks are helping in that regard) and sometimes the show can make it work and sometimes, boy can you see those seams. There are recurring jokes among fan about how many original series episode's other planets look a lot like quarries.

I think it doesn't help that while showrunner Russel T Davies does really good character stuff, he often has a sophomoric sense of humour. That season does have that problem to an extent but also has some great episodes. Though there is a running foreshadowing, a lot of that season has some great episodes to cherry pick; The Unquiet Dead (which isn't an official Christmas episode but makes for a great Christmas watch) and the two-parter The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances (it's also a great example of one of the creepier threats in the series. Also one of my favourite cliffhanger resolutions).

But in inaugural season of the return is rough and though Tennant has some great episodes in his first series (series two), it's not without some REAL clunkers (Love and Monsters, Fear Her).

Vaeran · Dec 23, 2023

Doctor Who began in 1963 and ran for 26 seasons until it was canceled in 1989. This is now retroactively referred to as the "Classic" series. If what you saw was too low budget for you, you'll want to stay away from this. It's very much an acquired taste these days.

There was a made-for-TV movie in 1996 that was meant to be the pilot for a new series, but it was not successful.

In 2005 the show came back (with Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor -- his first episode was the one you saw with the mannequins) and has run more-or-less continuously since then. We're about to begin Series 14 of the modern era, although (somewhat confusingly) it has been rebranded to "Season 1" to avoid scaring prospective new fans off with too much continuity baggage.

Three years/seasons is the average run for any particular Doctor, although some stick around for longer and others for less. In general the beginning of any Doctor's run is going to be a good jumping-on point. So, here are your options for each Doctor:

Series 1: "Rose" (Christopher Eccleston as the Ninth Doctor)
Series 2: "The Christmas Invasion" (David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor)
Series 5: "The Eleventh Hour" (Matt Smith as the Eleventh Doctor)
Series 8: "Deep Breath" (Peter Capaldi as the Twelfth Doctor)
Series 11: "The Woman Who Fell to Earth" (Jodie Whittaker as the Thirteenth Doctor)
Series 14/"Season 1": "The Church on Ruby Road" (Ncuti Gatwa as the Fifteenth Doctor)

("What happened to the 14th Doctor?" That was David Tennant revisiting the role for three episodes only, which aired last month and this month. They're quite good, but probably meant more for longtime fans than new ones as they tie up some old plot threads. You could do worse than starting there, though.)

My honest recommendation would be to give the 2005 series another chance and see if you can develop a tolerance for the low budget effects. They do get better over time. It's quite a strong season in general in terms of storytelling and is the ideal onramp to the series for people who know nothing about what came before. If you really can't hang, though, that's okay -- pick a Doctor above and try their first episode, and see what you think.

Phantoon · Dec 23, 2023

I'd personally try The Eleventh Hour. It's the start of a different show runner's go, and the budget is handled a lot better. Moffatt has very different strengths to RTD, so if you didn't like that, you might like this.

The other thing to add, is every time the Doctor regenerates it's effectively a new show. Not liking Nine doesn't mean a lot, because it's a different show under Ten, Eleven and so on.

Also, Doctor Who doesn't give a crap about continuity, the dude's a time traveller. So neither should you!

Exposition Owl · Dec 24, 2023

What are people’s favorites among the Christmas specials, by the way? It seems like a seasonally appropriate question, and I don’t think it’s been asked in the thread before.

Kazin · Dec 24, 2023

FelixSH said:
So, how does Dr. Who work?

My god am I glad I didn't see this post until several others had already replied. I'd have been here all day (and not caught any shiny Pokemon lol).

Johnny Unusual said:
But in inaugural season of the return is rough and though Tennant has some great episodes in his first series (series two), it's not without some REAL clunkers (Love and Monsters, Fear Her).

How dare you. (I kid. It's not an uncommon opinion, that's for sure. Although it was my first episode of Doctor Who and I still adore it. It got me into the show, and I'm a bonkers ass superfan at this point, so certainly it has some merit, I'd argue. It is an extremely weird 45 minutes of television, though).

Phantoon said:
Also, Doctor Who doesn't give a crap about continuity, the dude's a time traveller. So neither should you!

I try so hard to stick to this. It's true. I shouldn't care. I do, but I know I shouldn't. Stupid nerd brain!

Exposition Owl said:
What are people’s favorites among the Christmas specials, by the way? It seems like a seasonally appropriate question, and I don’t think it’s been asked in the thread before.

I think the best standalone one is "A Christmas Carol", although my favorites remain "The Husbands of River Song" and "The Time of the Doctor". The latter two mainly because they aren't Christmas episodes at all and instead cap off plot threads, but they're fun episodes nonetheless.

@FelixSH I would watch two episodes, both of them only 45 minutes long, and if you're not interested in watching more, you can walk away knowing you won't be enjoying the rest of the show. I'd start with "Blink" - it's in the third season is thought by many to be the best episode in the entirety of the show, and is also a fantastic introduction to the show because it's very standalone (and won't spoil you for what else is going on in that particular series). The other one is "Dalek," from the series you watched the first episode of. It introduces the most famous baddie in the show and is, I think, a good litmus test for how well you'll be able to stand the effects. If you find yourself actually feeling a sense of dread while watching that episode looking at a Dalek (something this episode does for me), you may be able to stomach the rest of the series goofiness. I really think if both these episodes fall flat for you, you're safe to ignore Doctor Who (please start with Blink, though, it's by far the better episode).

Vaeran · Dec 24, 2023

Kazin said:
How dare you. (I kid. It's not an uncommon opinion, that's for sure. Although it was my first episode of Doctor Who and I still adore it. It got me into the show, and I'm a bonkers ass superfan at this point, so certainly it has some merit, I'd argue. It is an extremely weird 45 minutes of television, though).

I actually really like Love and Monsters too, except for the gross awful ending.

Kazin said:
@FelixSH I would watch two episodes, both of them only 45 minutes long, and if you're not interested in watching more, you can walk away knowing you won't be enjoying the rest of the show. I'd start with "Blink" - it's in the third season is thought by many to be the best episode in the entirety of the show, and is also a fantastic introduction to the show because it's very standalone (and won't spoil you for what else is going on in that particular series). The other one is "Dalek," from the series you watched the first episode of. It introduces the most famous baddie in the show and is, I think, a good litmus test for how well you'll be able to stand the effects. If you find yourself actually feeling a sense of dread while watching that episode looking at a Dalek (something this episode does for me), you may be able to stomach the rest of the series goofiness. I really think if both these episodes fall flat for you, you're safe to ignore Doctor Who.

I think this is a reasonable approach and shows off some of the best of what DW has to offer. Please do let us know what you decide to do, Felix, and how it goes!

Exposition Owl said:
What are people’s favorites among the Christmas specials, by the way? It seems like a seasonally appropriate question, and I don’t think it’s been asked in the thread before.

I really like Last Christmas. I don't hear people talk about it much so maybe it's an unpopular opinion, I don't know. But the dream crabs (a telepathic predator that can only "see" you when you're thinking about them) is a fun, scary monster idea, the "are we really awake or is this a dream within a dream?" is a well-worn premise but it works here, and all the business with Santa is good silly fun.

I need to rewatch A Christmas Carol, actually. I've only seen it once and it didn't make much of an impression on me, but people always praise it so highly. I must not have been in the right mood.

Kazin · Dec 24, 2023

Vaeran said:
I actually really like Love and Monsters too, except for the gross awful ending.

The ending works for me as a joke, which I think is all that was intended, but it's a sore point for so many people I'm not going to try to dismiss it out of hand.

I really like Last Christmas. I don't hear people talk about it much so maybe it's an unpopular opinion, I don't know. But the dream crabs (a telepathic predator that can only "see" you when you're thinking about them) is a fun, scary monster idea, the "are we really awake or is this a dream within a dream?" is a well-worn premise but it works here, and all the business with Santa is good silly fun.

I went through a phase of watching Inception a lot for... a long time, and Last Christmas has always felt like a crap rip off of a lot of what Inception does. It's not at all fair to the episode itself, I realize, but I've never been able to shake that feeling of "I've seen this done already, and better."

I need to rewatch A Christmas Carol, actually. I've only seen it once and it didn't make much of an impression on me, but people always praise it so highly. I must not have been in the right mood.

It's fine. It's not something I often go back to but it actually feels like a proper Christmas episode, the only one we ever got (besides "The Doctor, The Widow, and The Wardrobe," which sucked).

Phantoon · Dec 24, 2023

Exposition Owl said:
What are people’s favorites among the Christmas specials, by the way? It seems like a seasonally appropriate question, and I don’t think it’s been asked in the thread before.

For me, it's A Christmas Carol. Possibly the best episode about the Eleventh Doctor's character in the entire run, and it's got so many quotable lines it's unbelievable. It's also like an intravenous drip of pure Christmas to me; if I ever don't feel christmassy after it I'll know I've died. Other good choices: Last Christmas is a mash up of at least three things that should not go together at all, but is brilliant, silly, scary and a touching platonic love story all at the same time. It's more than a mashup though, it's got a real heart to it still. I love Time and the Doctor and Twice Upon A Time, but they are capping episodes to eras and they might not even make sense without watching their series first.

Twice Upon A Time is mournful and hopeful and approaches Christmas from the other side to the other specials. Its actual meaning vs robotic killer Santas.

Kazin said:
I'd start with "Blink" - it's in the third season is thought by many to be the best episode in the entirety of the show,

This is an excellent shout, although for my money that's Heaven Sent. Very much not a standalone though.

FelixSH · Dec 24, 2023

Thanks for the extensive responses, everyone. I'll report back, when I watched more.

Also, I don't mind cheap special effects, or generally old tv. I can easily watch an episode of Star Trek: TOS, at the worst, I'll find it funny. I think it's more that the episode I watched, "Rose", looks so much like German tv. I think I'm accustomed to the shininess of US shows, but that episode looked like it could be shot just down the street here, or something. That probably sounds really silly, as mentioned, I don't like that I dislike the look. I'm sure as soon as we get to some places that aren't just contemporary big cities, it'll work much better for me. It's just my brain being weird.

But I have no doubt that Dr. Who is something I'll enjoy, I think I just need a good point to jump in. I'll give "Blink" a try.

Phantoon · Dec 24, 2023

Kazin said:
"The Doctor, The Widow, and The Wardrobe," which sucked

I watched this again recently, and I liked it a lot more. For me it suffered on release because A Christmas Carol was the immediate predecessor and it's nowhere near as good or clever as that. But while it's a bit story light and the solution to the issue is hokey as hell it's got a great heart to it. The story of

a mother who's waiting to tell her children after Christmas that their father is dead is painful.

I'm not pretending it's the best Christmas episode, it isn't. It's towards the lower end of Moffatt's Christmas stories. It's not without merit though.

Johnny Unusual · Dec 24, 2023

Kazin said:
How dare you. (I kid. It's not an uncommon opinion, that's for sure. Although it was my first episode of Doctor Who and I still adore it. It got me into the show, and I'm a bonkers ass superfan at this point, so certainly it has some merit, I'd argue. It is an extremely weird 45 minutes of television, though).

I agree there's merit but I put it in a similar zone as that one episode of the Simpsons about dignity which has an interesting message but smack in the middle is a segment where Homer is... loved by a panda, nonconsensually, and it's played for laughs. Obviously, it isn't as unpleasant as that but it starts as an episode about fandom and how it can turn toxic and then turns juvenile and dumb that's a lot of the worst elements of the RTD run.

I would say Fear Her is actually a worse episode because while Love and Monsters goes off the rails, Fear Her is dull all the way through. It didn't make me mad but it also didn't make me feel anything except "how much is left in this one?"

Johnny Unusual · Dec 24, 2023

Phantoon · Dec 24, 2023

If it helps, it's a consensual relationship with the paving slab

I love the fact that Doctor Who is so out there that the sentence makes perfect sense

My main problem with that episode is that it emphasises the worst bits of Ten's character. He's so busy having fun with his favourite companion ever he basically abandons them for most of the episode, while when he can actually be arsed to show up the episode is like "isn't he cool"

No, he's being a bit of a wanker

Kazin · Dec 24, 2023

I would argue Ten is mostly a wanker. I love watching him, but it's hard for me not to see his worst characteristics in most episodes.

Phantoon · Dec 24, 2023

I like Fourteen a lot more. The good bits of Ten, but with some humility.

Kazin · Dec 24, 2023

I agree.

Phantoon · Dec 24, 2023

Also three of his best episodes, and "WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN" is a meme for the ages

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