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Old 03-09-2019, 09:38 AM
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I just realized that Discovery might be a third timeline, and TOS/TNG might take place in the timeline where Michael ran away and died. *sigh!* I hope it's not the case, but dammit, they have placed that Chekov's phaser on the fireplace.
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Old 03-09-2019, 10:10 AM
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I just realized that Discovery might be a third timeline, and TOS/TNG might take place in the timeline where Michael ran away and died. *sigh!* I hope it's not the case, but dammit, they have placed that Chekov's phaser on the fireplace.
Fourth timeline actually, Michael Lives, Michael Dies, Mirror, and Kelvin.

My money is on the Red Angel being a version of Michael from the future since the RA has some very feminine hips on it. It's also kinda a lazy way to go and I can easily see the writers taking it.

I'm also thinking that the "training accident" that puts Pike in the BeepBoop chair is 1000% Section 31 trying to kill him.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:23 PM
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I am not a fan of the Tyler and Doctor Hot's subplot. That brawl felt very un-Trek. That said, I do like that the character's resurrection has consequences, and I suppose being an easy source for drama is better than being fridged, but I just want Stamets and Doctor Hot to be happy
I like it a whole lot. It's honestly one of the most interesting things going on in the show atm. Voq/Tyler's accountability is a pretty interesting sci-fi question to explore. Decompressing Doctor Culber's trauma makes a lot of sense and it's so much more interesting and true to life to see than say, Picard unhooking from the Borg and just be instantly over it after one episode. And beyond that, Culber's exploration of the body's and sensory input's role in forming one's identity is a very sci-fi, very interesting thing to explore as well. It's sad for now, but I trust it'll have a largely happy ending. This season of Disco seems very against tragedy-porn.

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Any guesses on the Red Angel's identity?
I'm hoping the show just doesn't show or tell us. This Red Angel business is probably the least interesting part of the season. I'd be happy with it being left as this mystery that never gets resolved, because whatever answer comes out is probably not going to be satisfying for me.
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:45 PM
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Welp. I both loved and hated the episode this week. Loved the ideas it explored, hated the crass emotional manipulation. That was some bad anime levels finally giving a character a backstory and then immediately offing them once you finally make them relateable/sympathetic to the audience.

At the end though, I can't be too mad because Disco needed to account for how completely out of place Ariam was as a character in the 23rd Century of Star Trek, so writing her off the show or explaining her away felt necessary for quite some time now. Especially with Disco S2 making it a point to launder out all of S1's missteps and inconsistencies.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:28 PM
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So Starfleet's Admirals are getting orders from a Holodeck that wants to murder them?

This explains EVERYTHING!
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:09 AM
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Yeah I enjoyed the episode overall, but I definitely agree with the sentiment that Airiam was finally fleshed out only to have her killed, which is honestly kind of a shame because the backstory we caught a glimpse of here and the relationships with the crew we're told she had behind the scenes was actually really interesting and I just wish we had seen some of that organically before she was offed.

Also did the episode ever explain why Nahn was immediately suspicious of her? Or do we have to wait and see if the shows explains this later?
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:13 AM
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The moment I noticed the thumbnail in Netflix and I saw whose close-up it was I was afraid they would get rid of Ariam. Even as she suddenly got a personality and background - the kiss of death in serial drama - I was in denial, because Discovery had subverted my expectations so far. Booh. I'll miss her.

So to focus on the positive, let me say that I really liked the glimpses of the day-to-day interactions of the bridge crew through her memories - there's some good chemistry in this crew. And Michael goading Spock into playing chess also was nice - that kind of sibling rivalry fel authentic.

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At the end though, I can't be too mad because Disco needed to account for how completely out of place Ariam was as a character in the 23rd Century of Star Trek, so writing her off the show or explaining her away felt necessary for quite some time now. Especially with Disco S2 making it a point to launder out all of S1's missteps and inconsistencies.
Dunno, I had no problem accepting her in the current context of the series (I think the holographic interfaces and uniforms feel more out of place than Ariam ever did). But I can see your point - I just hope that they are not offing people with cybernetics, because Detmer is my favorite Star Trek navigator ever.

EDIT: By the way, I'm really really surprised our new Security Officer (who, surprisingly, is not completely incompetent) has survived this far.
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:06 PM
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Dunno, I had no problem accepting her in the current context of the series (I think the holographic interfaces and uniforms feel more out of place than Ariam ever did). But I can see your point - I just hope that they are not offing people with cybernetics, because Detmer is my favorite Star Trek navigator ever.
It's not a matter of feeling out of place technologically. For god's sake, the entire idea of the Genesis Device being a thing should shut down any silly 'muh holograms' debate. We can make holograms IRL! Creating a planet from scratch in a few hours is infinitely harder to do!

However it does feel out of place thematically. In a society that rejects genetic manipulation across the board, does not view disabilities as othering or limiting, largely rejects artificial lengthening of lifespans, and views species like the Borg and Binars as horrifying, it just seems really out of place to suddenly have GitS-style full cyberization for a series ostensibly about how the humanity of today has boundless untapped potential and doesn't need to really transcend beyond our limits to achieve a utopian ideal.

Detmer doesn't quite approach that threshold for me personally, her upgrades are basically just a low-tech version of Geordi's.

I agree that the window we got into the crew's daily lives was tantalizing, and I could stand to have more low-stakes, slower episodes exploring that. But that doesn't quite seem to be Disco's MO unfortunately. I think a lot of Disco's problems as a show is its original conceit not being followed through, and then it attempting to adapt on the fly into a more traditional Star Trek formula. And the result is that characters that were never meant to be anything more than background decorations (most of the bridge crew) are suddenly in a place where the show wants them to be more but they were poorly thought out and characterized to begin with so there isn't a lot to build on top of that. I think if Disco wants to carry forward with this cast, they either need to begin dedicating a lot of time to expanding out its side characters and actually thinking up ways to make them interesting beyond "he's an Asian guy, she's from Africa, she has a robo-eye" or just find a way to hit a soft reset button so you can design characters from the ground up that are interesting in their own right the way the actual main cast is.
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Old 03-20-2019, 05:50 PM
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Iím a few episodes behind, but I just found out that any talk of the Mycelial Network is instantly better by referring to it as the Mushroom Kingdom.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:00 PM
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Stuff's getting all timey-wimey here which always makes tense plotting a bit tricky. (If the red angel can travel anywhere in time and presumably has some sort of overview of what's going on when, why would it wait 'til Michael's actually dying instead of intervening sooner, at least once the plan is in motion? Though the fact that it's (actual end-of-episode spoiler) not actually Michael at least means it makes slightly more sense for it to not necessarily have known what she was planning to do all along.)

All that aside, though, fuuuuuuuuck the Paul and Hugh side plot is just constantly destroying me right now.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:34 PM
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All that aside, though, fuuuuuuuuck the Paul and Hugh side plot is just constantly destroying me right now.
Brother, if you havenít already, put off this weekís Orville until you can watch it in the daytime or something so you donít gotta go to sleep after it. Just sayin.
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Old 03-22-2019, 02:29 AM
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Can I just point out how ridiculous that whole plan was? Even putting aside the part where it depends on putting Michael in mortal danger and possibly killing her, did they have to use such an elaborate method? Like, surely Hugh could have something on hand that would put her in a state of near death? No. Instead they strap her to a chair, expose her to the planet's atmosphere so she slowly and painfully suffocates. I guess they didn't want to be wasteful? I mean the planet's atmosphere was RIGHT THERE and all.

That being said, Martin-Green sold the hell out of that sequence.
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Old 03-22-2019, 02:30 AM
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I liked this week's episode, but it wasn't a pure love. I loved the range that Sonequa Martin-Green showed in her acting. I don't really buy tho that she'd assault S31-guy like that? Just seemed a little too rage-monstery for her character and demonstrated a really bad temperament that was unbefitting a leader in Starfleet.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:38 PM
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Ahahahaha I appreciate this attempt but I read this entirely too late.
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Old 03-29-2019, 01:38 AM
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This better not be a Borg origin story
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Old 03-29-2019, 02:59 AM
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This better not be a Borg origin story
Yeah no kidding.

Though, the one Borg Enterprise episode suggested the drones attempted to contact the collective, and possibly even got a signal out. So hopefully that confirms the Borg already exist. Though the episode ALSO said it would take a few centuries for the signal to reach its destination, so maybe the drones sent it knowing the Borg WOULD exist by the time it reached the Delta Quadrant, not necessarily that they existed at that time.

Whatever, I just hope it's not the case.

Otherwise the episode was fine, though it's a shame that the series is pretty solidly back into pure serialization, even though some of the earlier episodes at least felt episodic.
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Old 03-29-2019, 03:35 AM
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Per your spoiler theory:

Vis-a-vis Voyager, we know the Borg have existed for at least 900 years in the Delta Quadrant. But what I'm worried about is that all this time travel shenanigans will end up creating the Borg and sending them back in time to the distant past in the Delta Quadrant.

It also looks like that one Short Trek episode about the USS DISCO being abandoned a thousand years in the future might end up being relevant after all which sure is a trip.
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I fully expect this season to be a Borg origin story that creates a million plotholes but if that's the price we have to pay for the abundance of Michelle Yeoh we're receiving I'm ready and willing.
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I don't think it's Borg, or at least not origin there of. Queen exists in 4 dimensional existence. Could be a projection from a future where they have won. That said: Borg also not AI, and don't use that. I think this is more homage.

Side note: the ENT Borg EP is really good.
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I now really really regret that CBS made the web episode "Calypso" in between seasons and showed it.
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Old 04-05-2019, 12:26 PM
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Eh. Time travel shenanigans are in play. A lot of things could happen.
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Old 04-05-2019, 04:37 PM
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Anson Mount has been great as Captain Pike this season, kinda a shame he's not sticking around.
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Old 04-05-2019, 06:27 PM
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I have very mixed feelings about him. Because he has been really good! And it kinda makes me wish the show was just about him from the get go.

But, uh. The reason why he's good is because he looks like the idea of The Star Trek Captain that exists in people's popular imagination. And a big part of that is because he's the classical image of a commanding white guy. And it has been all kind of icky to watch Star Trek's weird, fucked up fan base go "THERE'S /OURGUY/".

And it's particularly distressing when it's not just "We like this guy" but "We like this guy because that black woman sucks." And it's just really icky.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:42 AM
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Well this sure is setting up a very different season three. At this point a pretty radical shift in dynamics per season seems to be the show's MO, and I'm pretty okay with that.
Also Paul and Hugh's arc continues to have painful parallels to my life. At this point I'm really torn on whether I'd be happy if they got back together. They're adorable and I love them but.
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Old 04-13-2019, 05:13 AM
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Good gracious, that modern update on the Enterprise was gorgeous.

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I'm still a bit skeptical that the show will actually pull the trigger on the big twist it's teasing, but if it actually does I'll be pretty impressed.

You'd think that with Spock's presence on Discovery, that pretty much removes all tension since we KNOW he won't be lost in the future. But the preview for the season finale briefly shows him in some sort of shuttle, or small fighter craft, so it looks like he will be stepping off the ship at some point, so it's not an impossibility!

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Yes. I know I've griped about prequels more than once, but that almost makes me want an original series prequel on that Enterprise with Captain Pike. Forget the Section 31 spinoff, make THAT instead!
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So, I finished Season 1 of Discovery last night and am about to start Season 2, but I wanted to write down some thoughts before I got there.

In general, I really like it! I think the writing is mediocre to bad, but the cast in general is fantastic (although I'm not as enamored of Anthony Rapp's performance as everybody else seems to be - his line delivery just feels stilted). The focus on a single character is definitely a lot different than standard Trek, but Sonequa Martin-Green does a hell of a job, and Michael Burnham is an interesting enough character to hold my attention. Saru, Tilley and Lorca are also all fantastic. I do really hope that some of the other bridge characters - the robot lady and the navigator and the others - get some more development. They seem cool. Hopefully there's a "Lower Decks" style episode in the future.

As for the twists, WysteriaHysteria mentioned earlier in the thread that they'd probably work better if you're watching the episodes all one after the other, and in my experience, that's true. Both caught me very much by surprise, although I agree that the Voq twist didn't need to be dragged out over like, four episodes. The Lorca t wist, though, wow, that one got me and I loved it. It was the sort of thing that re-contextualized every earlier interaction and made it all click into place. Great stuff.

In terms of the canon stuff and the fanservice, the latter is pretty annoying, and the former is bothersome but not a deal-breaker for me. The Klingon redesign is weird, yeah, as is the spore drive, but it all works better in my head if I think about the show's relationship to Star Trek as a sort of Young Justice - Justice League sort of thing, where they refer to the same characters and a lot of the same events but without strictly being in the same continuity. That helps me appreciate the show on its own merits.

And now for Season 2!
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:44 AM
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If you want a Lower Decks kinda experience, check out the Short Treks on the Discovery page.
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Old 04-16-2019, 01:03 AM
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I dunno if the shorts give a lower decks feel, but definitely don't skip them because they're canon material and S2 has repeatedly referenced them so far. Well, except for the one about Mudd, but that's OK.
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